Re: [Talk-GB] Neighbourhood/LSOA Names
Flickr used to offer a way to search for folk-tagged place names on photographs with their actual GPS location. I seem to remember maps showing the (overlapping) user-reported boundaries of each tag. But that might have been more than 10 years ago, and they've been through a number of owners since then... While looking for it, I found this report, which has maps comparing the "vernacular" boundaries of some London wards, with what people mean by place-names on twitter, which I guess is the modern equivalent: http://www.cs.nuim.ie/~pmooney/VGI-Analytics2017/materials/VGI-Analytics_2017_Clasper.pdf --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk On Fri, 15 Nov 2019, at 6:33 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > Does anyone recognize this? A few months ago, I remember visiting a > website that was looking to crowdsource meaningful names for > neighbourhoods. I think it was based on Census Output Areas, probably at > the LSOA level. It had a map showing the boundaries of the areas, and > they had preloaded suggested names for each one (possibly based on ward > names?). You could click on an area and suggest a better name based on > your local knowledge. > > I'd be interested to find that website again. Or anything similar. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Neighbourhood/LSOA Names
On 15/11/2019 18:38, Owen Boswarva wrote: Hi Steve, Do you mean this? https://visual.parliament.uk/msoanames Recently completed, but the House of Commons Library did request suggested names back in January when it was in draft. The problem with census areas, at any level, is that they don't necessarily coincide with the way that people actually perceive their neighbourhoods. In rural areas, civil parishes tend to be a reasonable proxy for the answer people would give to the question "Where do you live?", but not always. In cities, ward names can be a guide, but often aren't. From a commercial perspective, this is something that is particularly important in the property market. For example, Zoopla, Rightmove and OnTheMarket have all created a database of named neighbourhoods that can be used in a location search. But they don't agree with each other 100%. And, of course, it isn't open data. Google also returns a locality name with a reverse geocode search. But that, too, isn't open data (and requires a paid-for API key to query in bulk). In rural areas, it coincides with at least one of the property websites around 80% of the time, but hardly at all in major urban areas. Royal Mail's dependent and double-dependent locality names in the PAF are, where populated, the most likely to correspond with perceived neighbourhood names (as, indeed, you would expect, as they're derived from historical usage themselves). But that's not open data either, and is also costly to access. The obvious open data route, of using a proximity search to names already in OSM (or OS OpenNames), turns out not to work very well at all - mainly because simple distance takes no account of physical barriers such as rivers and roads, which often form the boundaries of perceived localities. You need to define your boundaries as well as assigning your names, and very few neighbourhoods and localities are anything near circular. I'm not aware of any crowdsourced database, although I've often considered trying to create one. But even there, you run up against the problem that people may not agree among themselves as to the name of their locality. Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Neighbourhood/LSOA Names
Hi Steve, Do you mean this? https://visual.parliament.uk/msoanames Recently completed, but the House of Commons Library did request suggested names back in January when it was in draft. Owen On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 at 18:34, Steve Doerr wrote: Does anyone recognize this? A few months ago, I remember visiting a > website that was looking to crowdsource meaningful names for > neighbourhoods. I think it was based on Census Output Areas, probably at > the LSOA level. It had a map showing the boundaries of the areas, and > they had preloaded suggested names for each one (possibly based on ward > names?). You could click on an area and suggest a better name based on > your local knowledge. > > I'd be interested to find that website again. Or anything similar. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Neighbourhood/LSOA Names
Does anyone recognize this? A few months ago, I remember visiting a website that was looking to crowdsource meaningful names for neighbourhoods. I think it was based on Census Output Areas, probably at the LSOA level. It had a map showing the boundaries of the areas, and they had preloaded suggested names for each one (possibly based on ward names?). You could click on an area and suggest a better name based on your local knowledge. I'd be interested to find that website again. Or anything similar. Thanks, Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
