Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[David Woolley]

Of course, that was one of my concerns. We really need some sort of
lifetime tagging with an end-date.


You can use opening hours to indicate a period in which something is closed.


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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[ael via Talk-GB]

On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 10:49:04PM +0100, Neil Matthews wrote:
> Add a note on the main OSM site - maybe with expected finish date of
> road works -- might help as a reminder.

Oh yes. I ought to do that. I seldom generate notes, so I forget about
them.

ael


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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[ael via Talk-GB]

On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 08:38:25PM +0100, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:
> There is also the temporary affix:
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/temporary_(conditional)#Example_4:_Temporary_highway_bridge

Oh. I missed that. It would be perfect. Except, as you say :-

> I'm not entirely sure how well supported that is by routers etc though.

If I was confident that routers handled it, I would update the tagging.
Anyone know how widely it is supported?

ael


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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[ael via Talk-GB]

On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 
> It is closed for repairs, so maybe highway=construction construction=primary
> would be better? 

I thought about that. But changing from primary seemed more
problematical if it was forgotten. 
 
> It seems that it will be more likely to be caught if forgotten, really old 
> highway=construction
> is far more suspicious that old access=no.

That also crossed my mind, but as I have alerted this list, and at least
one other mapper with an interest in the area who isn't on this list, I
doubt that it will be forgotten.
 
> There is also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date 
> 
> that allows to specify opening date - what makes possible to
> run query detecting objects that are supposed to be open now.

Yes, I guess that is a good idea. I was looking for an end-date, but
'negating' the tag - switching to construction - and the using
opening_date as the negation of "end_date" is neat. Hope routers parse
that sort of thing.

ael


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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Apr 4, 2019, 12:30 PM by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org:

> Of course, that was one of my concerns. We really need some sort of
> lifetime tagging with an end-date. 
>
There is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date 

that allows to specify opening date - what makes possible to
run query detecting objects that are supposed to be open now.

Query example for London: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/HEq 
 (pan map
and press run to get results for other place).


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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[ael via Talk-GB]

On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:59:12PM -0400, Devonshire wrote:
> Saw this on the local news last night. A 30+ mile diversion is going to cause 
> a few problems over Easter if they can't get it sorted. I am not that close 
> but have mapped this area a bit in the past.

Personally. I like the Horsebridge crossing, but we don't want to
encourage too many people who aren't used to small lanes to go that way.

> No real view either way on adding the restriction to OSM. Good for users who 
> keep their data up-to-date but potentially not so good for people who update 
> infrequently.

Of course, that was one of my concerns. We really need some sort of
lifetime tagging with an end-date. I have asked another mapper who
maps in this area, but like me isn't very local, to keep on eye on
the restriction in case I forget or whatever. Please also keep a watch
and remove the access tag as soon as the bridge re-opens if you get
there first.

ael

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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[Neil Matthews]

Add a note on the main OSM site - maybe with expected finish date of
road works -- might help as a reminder.

Cheers,
Neil

On 03/04/2019 20:38, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:
> There is also the temporary affix:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/temporary_(conditional)#Example_4:_Temporary_highway_bridge
>
> I'm not entirely sure how well supported that is by routers etc though. 
>

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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[Edward Catmur via Talk-GB]

There is also the temporary affix:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/temporary_(conditional)#Example_4:_Temporary_highway_bridge

I'm not entirely sure how well supported that is by routers etc though.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, 20:33 Mateusz Konieczny, 
wrote:

>
> It is closed for repairs, so maybe highway=construction
> construction=primary
> would be better?
>
> It seems that it will be more likely to be caught if forgotten, really old
> highway=construction
> is far more suspicious that old access=no.
>
> Old highway=construction would be caught for example by StreetComplete.
>
> There is also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date
> that allows to specify opening date - what makes possible to
> run query detecting objects that are supposed to be open now.
>
> Query example for London: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/HEq (pan map
> and press run to get results for other place).
>
> Apr 3, 2019, 6:19 PM by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org:
>
> With some hesitation, I have just added access = no to New Bridge
> in Gunnislake.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/608610775
>
> This is one of only two major routes across the lower Tamar, so it is
> of major importance for routing applications.
>
> The bridge has been closed after an accident damaged the structure, and
> it has been suggested that may be shut until 1st May.
>
> I know the area fairly well, and I believe that I had edited the bridge
> several times in the past, although the history now only seems to go back
> for around a year with edits from non local (armchair?) mappers.
>
> The relevance of that comment is that I am not aware of any very local
> mappers.
>
> Anyway, have I overlooked a way to tag a temporary restriction like
> this? I have put a note in my dairy to remind me to check the tagging in
> a week or two, but I could still forget ... which would be unfortunate
> :-)
>
> ael
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[Mateusz Konieczny]

It is closed for repairs, so maybe highway=construction construction=primary
would be better? 

It seems that it will be more likely to be caught if forgotten, really old 
highway=construction
is far more suspicious that old access=no.

Old highway=construction would be caught for example by StreetComplete.

There is also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_date 

that allows to specify opening date - what makes possible to
run query detecting objects that are supposed to be open now.

Query example for London: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/HEq 
 (pan map
and press run to get results for other place).

Apr 3, 2019, 6:19 PM by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org:

> With some hesitation, I have just added access = no to New Bridge
> in Gunnislake.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/608610775 
> 
>
> This is one of only two major routes across the lower Tamar, so it is
> of major importance for routing applications.
>
> The bridge has been closed after an accident damaged the structure, and
> it has been suggested that may be shut until 1st May.
>
> I know the area fairly well, and I believe that I had edited the bridge 
> several times in the past, although the history now only seems to go back
> for around a year with edits from non local (armchair?) mappers.
>
> The relevance of that comment is that I am not aware of any very local
> mappers.
>
> Anyway, have I overlooked a way to tag a temporary restriction like
> this? I have put a note in my dairy to remind me to check the tagging in
> a week or two, but I could still forget ... which would be unfortunate
> :-)
>
> ael
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[Devonshire]

Saw this on the local news last night. A 30+ mile diversion is going to cause a 
few problems over Easter if they can't get it sorted. I am not that close but 
have mapped this area a bit in the past.

No real view either way on adding the restriction to OSM. Good for users who 
keep their data up-to-date but potentially not so good for people who update 
infrequently.

Kevin

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019, at 5:51 PM, ael via Talk-GB wrote:
> With some hesitation, I have just added access = no to New Bridge
> in Gunnislake.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/608610775
> 
> This is one of only two major routes across the lower Tamar, so it is
> of major importance for routing applications.
> 
> The bridge has been closed after an accident damaged the structure, and
> it has been suggested that may be shut until 1st May.
> 
> I know the area fairly well, and I believe that I had edited the bridge 
> several times in the past, although the history now only seems to go back
> for around a year with edits from non local (armchair?) mappers.
> 
> The relevance of that comment is that I am not aware of any very local
> mappers.
> 
> Anyway, have I overlooked a way to tag a temporary restriction like
> this? I have put a note in my dairy to remind me to check the tagging in
> a week or two, but I could still forget ... which would be unfortunate
> :-)
> 
> ael
> 
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[Talk-GB] New Bridge Gunnislake

[ael via Talk-GB]

With some hesitation, I have just added access = no to New Bridge
in Gunnislake.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/608610775

This is one of only two major routes across the lower Tamar, so it is
of major importance for routing applications.

The bridge has been closed after an accident damaged the structure, and
it has been suggested that may be shut until 1st May.

I know the area fairly well, and I believe that I had edited the bridge 
several times in the past, although the history now only seems to go back
for around a year with edits from non local (armchair?) mappers.

The relevance of that comment is that I am not aware of any very local
mappers.

Anyway, have I overlooked a way to tag a temporary restriction like
this? I have put a note in my dairy to remind me to check the tagging in
a week or two, but I could still forget ... which would be unfortunate
:-)

ael


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