Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Malcolm Herring]

On 02/06/2016 10:10, Jez Nicholson wrote:

I'm guessing that the Malcolm H. responding here is the Malcolmh OSM
User involved with openseamapif so, could you tell us whether
seamark tags are specifically for known/acknowledged navigation objects
or whether anything visible from the sea can be a seamark?


I am he! A seamark is any object of navigational importance. Onshore 
wrecks, such as the Purton Hulks, do not fall into this category as they 
are not a hazard to navigation. I suggest that these objects be tagged 
as historical wrecks.




___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Jez Nicholson]

I'm guessing that the Malcolm H. responding here is the Malcolmh OSM User
involved with openseamapif so, could you tell us whether seamark tags
are specifically for known/acknowledged navigation objects or whether
anything visible from the sea can be a seamark?

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 at 09:45 Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Should have looked one menu down to see the substructure! Currently the
> only hulk tags are for floating objects, so I suggest start a new hulk tag
> for sunken breakwater. These objects are clearly hulks so the tagging
> scheme needs to be extended.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 22:55, Malcolm Herring 
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/06/2016 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>
>>> If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
>>> for hulk
>>>
>>
>> Those tags are not suitable for the objects described in the OP. All the
>> categories of seamark:type=hulk are floating objects, whereas the Purton
>> Hulks are beached & non-floatable.
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Talk-GB mailing list
>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>>
>
> ___
> Talk-GB mailing list
> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Brian Prangle]

Should have looked one menu down to see the substructure! Currently the
only hulk tags are for floating objects, so I suggest start a new hulk tag
for sunken breakwater. These objects are clearly hulks so the tagging
scheme needs to be extended.

Regards

Brian

On 1 June 2016 at 22:55, Malcolm Herring 
wrote:

> On 01/06/2016 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
>> If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
>> for hulk
>>
>
> Those tags are not suitable for the objects described in the OP. All the
> categories of seamark:type=hulk are floating objects, whereas the Purton
> Hulks are beached & non-floatable.
>
>
>
> ___
> Talk-GB mailing list
> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Malcolm Herring]

On 01/06/2016 17:37, Brian Prangle wrote:

If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
for hulk


Those tags are not suitable for the objects described in the OP. All the 
categories of seamark:type=hulk are floating objects, whereas the Purton 
Hulks are beached & non-floatable.



___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Brian Prangle]

If you go to OSM's sister project openseamap you'll find they have a tag
for hulk

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seamarks/Seamark_Objects

Regards

Brian

On 1 June 2016 at 12:12, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> The Purton Hulks:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purton_Hulks
>
> are a set of boats, which have been deliberately beached on the banks
> of the River Severn, to reinforce the river banks.
>
> The author of the above Wikipedia article and I would like to mark
> each individual hulk on OSM, and to include their coordinates in the
> Wikipedia article.
>
> A Bristol University Survey map of 1996 is on page 6 of:
>
>
> http://nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/sites/default/files/u9/purton_report_2008.pdf
>
> Some of the hulks are visible in Bing imagery.
>
> Can anyone assist? How should they be tagged?
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
> ___
> Talk-GB mailing list
> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Andy Robinson]

In a prior life I worked for an engineering firm who's boss was a keen sailor, 
as was the chief engineer. They decided to build concrete sailing yachts based 
on an Australian design. One got built but alas that’s as far as it went.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] 
Sent: 01 June 2016 12:41
To: Andy Mabbett; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

On 01/06/16 12:12, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> The Purton Hulks:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purton_Hulks
>
> are a set of boats, which have been deliberately beached on the banks 
> of the River Severn, to reinforce the river banks.
>
> The author of the above Wikipedia article and I would like to mark 
> each individual hulk on OSM, and to include their coordinates in the 
> Wikipedia article.
>
> A Bristol University Survey map of 1996 is on page 6 of:
>
>
> http://nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/sites/default/files/u9/purton_re
> port_2008.pdf
>
> Some of the hulks are visible in Bing imagery.
>
> Can anyone assist? How should they be tagged?

I suggest barge=concrete ;-)

Not that I had any trouble believing you could make ships out of concrete or 
anything when I first heard about them as a teenager.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/

___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb


___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Jez Nicholson]

is it not a historic=wreck ?

I also think that The Purton Hulks makes a great name for a Rugby League
team ;)

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 at 13:51 Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 1 June 2016 at 12:40, Tom Hughes  wrote:
>
> >> How should they be tagged?
>
> > I suggest barge=concrete ;-)
>
> Even the wooden and steel ones?
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
> ___
> Talk-GB mailing list
> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Andy Mabbett]

On 1 June 2016 at 12:40, Tom Hughes  wrote:

>> How should they be tagged?

> I suggest barge=concrete ;-)

Even the wooden and steel ones?

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Purton Hulks

[Tom Hughes]

On 01/06/16 12:12, Andy Mabbett wrote:


The Purton Hulks:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purton_Hulks

are a set of boats, which have been deliberately beached on the banks
of the River Severn, to reinforce the river banks.

The author of the above Wikipedia article and I would like to mark
each individual hulk on OSM, and to include their coordinates in the
Wikipedia article.

A Bristol University Survey map of 1996 is on page 6 of:

   
http://nauticalarchaeologysociety.org/sites/default/files/u9/purton_report_2008.pdf

Some of the hulks are visible in Bing imagery.

Can anyone assist? How should they be tagged?


I suggest barge=concrete ;-)

Not that I had any trouble believing you could make ships out of 
concrete or anything when I first heard about them as a teenager.


Tom

--
Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/

___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb