Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging one way at certain times of day

2019-01-17 Thread Dave F
As you say, it's bidirectional, so I don't think the oneway tag is 
appropriate. It's hierarchically superior to any conditional tags.


A direction tag is required. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions#Direction


Unable to locate it, but I believe there was a recent discussion on 
Tagging about conditional oneways.


DaveF

On 17/01/2019 14:02, Stuart Reynolds wrote:

Hi All,

My attention has been drawn (by a local authority colleague) to a 
street in Tunbridge Wells, Grosvenor Road 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35929327). This is a bi-directional 
road that has timed restrictions heading north between 9am and 8pm, 
with buses allowed to head north up it at all times. Traffic can head 
south at all times.


The tagging on it is currently:

abutters=retail,
highway=tertiary
maxspeed=20 mph
motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ (09:00-18:00)
name=Grosvenor Road
oneway=yes
psv=yes
source=sign

to which I have just added oneway:psv=no because “psv=yes” doesn’t 
override the oneway tag, only the access tag.


But the question is, is this correct tagging for the road? I don’t 
think that it is, because I take the combination of access, oneway, 
and conditional to mean that this is a oneway street, always, but that 
motor vehicles are prevented from using it IN EITHER DIRECTION between 
the hours of 9am and 6pm.


Assuming that I’m right, how SHOULD this be tagged, to achieve the 
desired aim? Or am I wrong?


Regards,
Stuart





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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging one way at certain times of day

2019-01-17 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi stuart

I think you'd need to add fowards and backwards to your tags and further
separate them by vehicle type

Regards

Brian

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 14:03, Stuart Reynolds <
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My attention has been drawn (by a local authority colleague) to a street
> in Tunbridge Wells, Grosvenor Road (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35929327). This is a bi-directional
> road that has timed restrictions heading north between 9am and 8pm, with
> buses allowed to head north up it at all times. Traffic can head south at
> all times.
>
> The tagging on it is currently:
>
> abutters=retail,
> highway=tertiary
> maxspeed=20 mph
> motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ (09:00-18:00)
> name=Grosvenor Road
> oneway=yes
> psv=yes
> source=sign
>
> to which I have just added oneway:psv=no because “psv=yes” doesn’t
> override the oneway tag, only the access tag.
>
> But the question is, is this correct tagging for the road? I don’t think
> that it is, because I take the combination of access, oneway, and
> conditional to mean that this is a oneway street, always, but that motor
> vehicles are prevented from using it IN EITHER DIRECTION between the hours
> of 9am and 6pm.
>
> Assuming that I’m right, how SHOULD this be tagged, to achieve the desired
> aim? Or am I wrong?
>
> Regards,
> Stuart
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging one way at certain times of day

2019-01-17 Thread Adam Snape
Hi,

I think you're right in your reading of those tags - they don;t indicate
what you'd like.

Assuming the restrictions aply to all traffic (other than psv) then a
general oneway:conditional=yes @ (09:00-18:00) would seem the most simple.
Your oneway:psv=no overides that restriction.
Personally though I have a preference for setting the tagging  so that
routers don't default to sending people down restrcited streets at all
times because they don't recognise the tagging, so I would have it as
oneway=yes and oneway:conditional=no @ (18:00-09:00). Again the specific
psv tagging should override the restrictions.

Please remember to add oneway:bicycle=no tags if there's also a cycle
exemption

Kind regards,

Adam



On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 14:03, Stuart Reynolds <
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My attention has been drawn (by a local authority colleague) to a street
> in Tunbridge Wells, Grosvenor Road (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35929327). This is a bi-directional
> road that has timed restrictions heading north between 9am and 8pm, with
> buses allowed to head north up it at all times. Traffic can head south at
> all times.
>
> The tagging on it is currently:
>
> abutters=retail,
> highway=tertiary
> maxspeed=20 mph
> motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ (09:00-18:00)
> name=Grosvenor Road
> oneway=yes
> psv=yes
> source=sign
>
> to which I have just added oneway:psv=no because “psv=yes” doesn’t
> override the oneway tag, only the access tag.
>
> But the question is, is this correct tagging for the road? I don’t think
> that it is, because I take the combination of access, oneway, and
> conditional to mean that this is a oneway street, always, but that motor
> vehicles are prevented from using it IN EITHER DIRECTION between the hours
> of 9am and 6pm.
>
> Assuming that I’m right, how SHOULD this be tagged, to achieve the desired
> aim? Or am I wrong?
>
> Regards,
> Stuart
>
>
>
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[Talk-GB] Tagging one way at certain times of day

2019-01-17 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Hi All,

My attention has been drawn (by a local authority colleague) to a street in 
Tunbridge Wells, Grosvenor Road (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35929327). 
This is a bi-directional road that has timed restrictions heading north between 
9am and 8pm, with buses allowed to head north up it at all times. Traffic can 
head south at all times.

The tagging on it is currently:

abutters=retail,
highway=tertiary
maxspeed=20 mph
motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ (09:00-18:00)
name=Grosvenor Road
oneway=yes
psv=yes
source=sign

to which I have just added oneway:psv=no because “psv=yes” doesn’t override the 
oneway tag, only the access tag.

But the question is, is this correct tagging for the road? I don’t think that 
it is, because I take the combination of access, oneway, and conditional to 
mean that this is a oneway street, always, but that motor vehicles are 
prevented from using it IN EITHER DIRECTION between the hours of 9am and 6pm.

Assuming that I’m right, how SHOULD this be tagged, to achieve the desired aim? 
Or am I wrong?

Regards,
Stuart



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