Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
Quick question on this what are poeple doing with this data in cases where a shop is showing correctly in the list and is on the ground but isn't really a bike shop? The example I found is TISO: http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/shop/2549 Which is an outdoor shop, but you would be disappointed if you turned up looking for an inner tube. Cheers Chris On 03/10/10 16:32, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 25 Sep 2010, at 15:32, Andrew wrote: Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreetslist-osm-talk...@... writes: Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM. http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ Could you add a name search? Moving the map is clumsy. It's on the todo list. At the moment you can search for cycle shop names using the full list, and the text search in your browser. If we add a tag like network=Association of Cycle Traders to the shops, it would be possible to highlight shops that disappear from future revisions of this list that may have closed. I don't know if we are going to be getting updates. It may be possible to get a separate list of shops that have been removed from the list, however I would recommend doing a ground survey to verify that the shop has closed, as it may just be that they are no longer a member of the Association of Cycle Traders. At this stage the tool will need to be made more advanced. Is anyone pointing out to Halfords that other bicycle shops are going into OSM and would they like to follow? I'm not aware of anyone who has spoken to Halfords, however it wouldn't surprise me if they would charge for this information for use by various POI aggregation companies. Shaun -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- e: m...@chrisfleming.org w: www.chrisfleming.org ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On 12/10/2010 20:49, Chris Fleming wrote: Quick question on this what are poeple doing with this data in cases where a shop is showing correctly in the list and is on the ground but isn't really a bike shop? The example I found is TISO: http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/shop/2549 Which is an outdoor shop, but you would be disappointed if you turned up looking for an inner tube. I presume that's on the list because that is where the Alpine Bikes head office is (Alpine Bikes are owned by Tiso). And presumably where their mail order service / warehouse is based. So I think it should be marked as not found on the ground, because there's no actual bike shop at that location. Plus add a note to explain this. You could also tag it as something like office=bicycle, as suggested elsewhere in this thread. I know that Alpine Bikes do have bike shops within Tiso shops in Glasgow and Inverness (which should be mapped as shop=bicycle), but I don't think that's the case in Leith. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On 25 Sep 2010, at 15:32, Andrew wrote: Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets list-osm-talk...@... writes: Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM. http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ Could you add a name search? Moving the map is clumsy. It's on the todo list. At the moment you can search for cycle shop names using the full list, and the text search in your browser. If we add a tag like network=Association of Cycle Traders to the shops, it would be possible to highlight shops that disappear from future revisions of this list that may have closed. I don't know if we are going to be getting updates. It may be possible to get a separate list of shops that have been removed from the list, however I would recommend doing a ground survey to verify that the shop has closed, as it may just be that they are no longer a member of the Association of Cycle Traders. At this stage the tool will need to be made more advanced. Is anyone pointing out to Halfords that other bicycle shops are going into OSM and would they like to follow? I'm not aware of anyone who has spoken to Halfords, however it wouldn't surprise me if they would charge for this information for use by various POI aggregation companies. Shaun -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets list-osm-talk...@... writes: Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM. http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ Could you add a name search? Moving the map is clumsy. If we add a tag like network=Association of Cycle Traders to the shops, it would be possible to highlight shops that disappear from future revisions of this list that may have closed. Is anyone pointing out to Halfords that other bicycle shops are going into OSM and would they like to folllow? -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets wrote: http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2010/09/10/get-all-uk-bike-shops-in-osm/ Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM. http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ Effectively it has a map of locations not yet reconciled, i.e. a checklist. Click on each location, and you'll then have a direct link to the relevant bit of OSM where the shop can be added/updated/removed using personal knowledge. Once that's done, it can be ticked off back in the webapp. The new Bike Hub iPhone app, which includes a bike shop finder has just gone live*, so there is even more reason now to get the remaining locations into OSM. At present the data received by the app is coming from a local copy of the ACT data held on the CycleStreets server and exposed through our places.xml API. However, I am very keen to reroute this internally to using OSM proper, as soon as most of the shops are in OSM. So please do go to: http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ and merge in the remaining data or check off ones that are already in OSM. Shaun has made some further usability improvements to the webapp which makes the steps required clearer. Martin * See this guest post: http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2010/09/20/bike-hub-app/ (our own CycleStreets app is imminent, by the way!) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
Yes, that was exactly the same for me so local knowledge is definitely required. Kevin On 14 September 2010 21:44, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: At least one of the ones round here is the home/workshop of a roving bike mechanic, so treat the data with care! Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
I think the failure to render bike shops as buildings is a bug. Shaun and Andy are simply overstretched so haven't fixed it on the map add tool yet. Tom On 15 Sep 2010 11:27, Graham Stewart gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: The documentation at http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2010/04/05/add-point-of-interest/ suggests that bike shops should always be added as nodes. Is that the case? For example I'd previously added the Evans Cycles at the Metrocentre (near Newcastle) as a building (closed way). Tags: building=yes, name=Evans Cycles, shop=bicycle http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.9563944617016lon=-1.67584697130855zoom=16layers=C I note that this doesn't seem to show on the Cycle Map renderer. Also, any objections if I post this up the link on a popular cycling site (SingletrackWorld) we might get a bit of help from them and recruit some new members at the same time. GrahamS On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:56 +0100, Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net wrote: We've brokered a dataset of all 2,500-ish bike shops in the UK from the Association of Cycle Tr... ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
Hi, On Wed, September 15, 2010 11:27 am, Graham Stewart wrote: The documentation at http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2010/04/05/add-point-of-interest/ suggests that bike shops should always be added as nodes. Is that the case? For example I'd previously added the Evans Cycles at the Metrocentre (near Newcastle) as a building (closed way). Tags: building=yes, name=Evans Cycles, shop=bicycle http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.9563944617016lon=-1.67584697130855zoom=16layers=C I note that this doesn't seem to show on the Cycle Map renderer. A node or a closed way should both work. If a closed way does not work, then that bit of software ideally needs to be updated. Also, any objections if I post this up the link on a popular cycling site (SingletrackWorld) we might get a bit of help from them and recruit some new members at the same time. Feel free to do so. It has already got a mention on the BikeBiz news site: http://www.bikebiz.com/news/32850/Bike-shops-urged-to-check-they-exist Any suggestions for improvement are also welcome. Shaun GrahamS On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:56 +0100, Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net wrote: We've brokered a dataset of all 2,500-ish bike shops in the UK from the Association of Cycle Traders (many thanks to them!), for the purposes of merging this dataset into the OpenStreetMap database. It has postcode-level accuracy only but that's a massive head-start. Read more at: http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2010/09/10/get-all-uk-bike-shops-in-osm/ Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM. http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ Effectively it has a map of locations not yet reconciled, i.e. a checklist. Click on each location, and you'll then have a direct link to the relevant bit of OSM where the shop can be added/updated/removed using personal knowledge. Once that's done, it can be ticked off back in the webapp. Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists Developer, CycleStreets ** http://www.cyclestreets.net/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Graham Stewart gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: For example I'd previously added the Evans Cycles at the Metrocentre (near Newcastle) as a building (closed way). Tags: building=yes, name=Evans Cycles, shop=bicycle http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.9563944617016lon=-1.67584697130855zoom=16layers=C Hi Graham, Adding them as buildings is awesome, if you've got the imagery/patience to do that then go for it. I note that this doesn't seem to show on the Cycle Map renderer. Yep, that's a buy in the OpenCycleMap rendering, and it's on my todo list after Tom Chance pointed it out recently. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
At least one of the ones round here is the home/workshop of a roving bike mechanic, so treat the data with care! The one near here that I think is similar advertises their address on their website, but it looks like a house. When I went to double check it at lunchtime, I was fortunate enough to spot a transit labelled with the company name on the back, so followed it. It looks from photos on their website that the business may be based in their garage, and the van I was following pulled up in front of one (I couldn't stop as I would have been late collecting my son from nursery). For now, I've tagged the house address as building=house/addr:housenumber=97/office=bicycle/name=Tendring Bicycles (though if I were tagging for Mapnik rendered layer I'd be very tempted to tag office:name to make the name less obvious than the housenumber). Oh, and I added a url tag to the page on their website containing the address. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On 15/09/2010 13:48, Andy Allan wrote: Yep, that's a buy in the OpenCycleMap rendering, and it's on my todo list after Tom Chance pointed it out recently. The same appears to go for pubs cafes that are closed ways/buildings. Out of curiosity, is there a specific reasons post boxes are rendered? Never a priority for me when I'm out for a ride, but hey, each to their own. Cheers Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
We've brokered a dataset of all 2,500-ish bike shops in the UK from the Association of Cycle Traders (many thanks to them!), for the purposes of merging this dataset into the OpenStreetMap database. It has postcode-level accuracy only but that's a massive head-start. Read more at: http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2010/09/10/get-all-uk-bike-shops-in-osm/ Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM. http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ Effectively it has a map of locations not yet reconciled, i.e. a checklist. Click on each location, and you'll then have a direct link to the relevant bit of OSM where the shop can be added/updated/removed using personal knowledge. Once that's done, it can be ticked off back in the webapp. Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists Developer, CycleStreets ** http://www.cyclestreets.net/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On 14/09/2010 17:56, Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets wrote: We've brokered a dataset of all 2,500-ish bike shops in the UK... Thanks. How old is the database are all bike shops members of this association? Cheers Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
Dave F. wrote: How old is the database It was a snapshot from their database about 4-6 weeks ago, so should be pretty fresh, though it does contain errors (as would be expected given the way bikeshops come and go). are all bike shops members of this association? Good point - I've no idea. But I imagine quite a lot will be, judging from the Cambridge part of the data. Martin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On 14 Sep 2010, at 18:28, Martin CycleStreets wrote: Dave F. wrote: How old is the database It was a snapshot from their database about 4-6 weeks ago, so should be pretty fresh, though it does contain errors (as would be expected given the way bikeshops come and go). are all bike shops members of this association? Good point - I've no idea. But I imagine quite a lot will be, judging from the Cambridge part of the data. Most bike shops are members, but not all. This will mean that we get the majority of bike shops into osm. Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On 14 September 2010 18:07, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: How old is the database are all bike shops members of this association? I found one error today, where a shop moved some weeks ago. And it doesn't seem to include Halfords. Some may say that's a good thing... -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
On 14 September 2010 20:07, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 14 September 2010 18:07, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: How old is the database are all bike shops members of this association? I found one error today, where a shop moved some weeks ago. And it doesn't seem to include Halfords. Some may say that's a good thing... Indeed - if desperate for an inner tube or such then any port in a storm though! Glad you mentioned it I'll add my nearest Halfords on OSM when I think of it. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
At least one of the ones round here is the home/workshop of a roving bike mechanic, so treat the data with care! Richard On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Martin Lucas-Smith - CycleStreets list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net wrote: We've brokered a dataset of all 2,500-ish bike shops in the UK from the Association of Cycle Traders (many thanks to them!), for the purposes of merging this dataset into the OpenStreetMap database. It has postcode-level accuracy only but that's a massive head-start. Read more at: http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2010/09/10/get-all-uk-bike-shops-in-osm/ Andy Allan and Shaun McDonald have created a webapp for the specific purpose of merging (manually) this data into OSM. http://shaunmcdonald.dev.openstreetmap.org/bike-shop-locator/ Effectively it has a map of locations not yet reconciled, i.e. a checklist. Click on each location, and you'll then have a direct link to the relevant bit of OSM where the shop can be added/updated/removed using personal knowledge. Once that's done, it can be ticked off back in the webapp. Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists Developer, CycleStreets ** http://www.cyclestreets.net/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Bike Shop dataset obtained: please merge in locations in your area
It has postcode-level accuracy only but that's a massive head-start. I wish I'd realised that before heading off earlier. I mapped the section of the street where the dot appeared, but checking the business address when I got back I hadn't mapped far enough down the street. I still suspect it is someone working from the garage, as I stopped where the speed limit dropped from 30 to 20 and there were no signs of any shops. Ah - just seen Richard's email, so suspect this company may be similar (although it has the address on the website, invites you to call in, etc. I'll just have to go back and find out). Effectively it has a map of locations not yet reconciled, i.e. a checklist. Click on each location, and you'll then have a direct link to the relevant bit of OSM where the shop can be added/updated/removed using personal knowledge. Once that's done, it can be ticked off back in the webapp. I did however tick off the other shop I went to map. So that's one more done... Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
