Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM
Matt, How about this well organised source (Im surprised that this isnt actually feed back to OSM) bustimes.org bustimes.org This is a great website covering the entire UK and probably all operators. Cheerio! BartHi, How are Bus Routes added into OSM? I have noticed that bus routes in Basildon (my local area) are a few years out of date with some service such as the 5 and 8Ahaving been withdrawn and the route 2 being renumbered 28 Matthew Scanlon Service Analyst (Journey Planner) Technical Serivce Operations ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM
the Open Government Licence which I believe is compatible with OSM https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence. As the wiki says, you can't rely on this without further enquiry. The problem is that it only gives rights to intellectual property owned by the government, and datasets often include intellectual property from other organisations, e.g. TfL in this case. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM
I use the opendata to compare with OSM to identify any changes to routes that include any bus stops within the Tendring, Colchester and Maldon districts of Essex, then manually update. I usually do this weekly. The app I use to compare the data is in github, but I've got a feeling "Add Area" is buggy, and is definitely untested since I made a recent change to folder structures so it only downloaded the TDNS zips if they were newer than the local copy. I'll see if I can get to that tonight (as in test adding Basildon as an area), though might not get to it as I'm also ploughing through Tendring district pub social media pages for Tendring CAMRA to see what has reopened, or has a planned date to reopen, or has said they don't have a date, or haven't posted since March, and sorting my town and pun I'm only up to Frinton... I do document the routemaster relations and when they were last checked on an OSM wiki page. Ed From: Gareth Boyes Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 4:47:41 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM All bus routes in Great Britain and Isle of Man are available from https://www.travelinedata.org.uk/traveline-open-data/traveline-national-dataset/ under the Open Government Licence which I believe is compatible with OSM https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence. You will need to apply for access from Traveline. I applied using "OpenStreetMap contributor” as the reason for use and was granted access on the next working day. Access is granted to an ftp server that can be accessed using an FTP client e.g. Cyberduck. BTW The traveline request form asks you to provide a password. Make sure you provide a unique password that you are happy to be sent in non-encrypted FTP request. Gareth Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 14:43:55 +0100 From: David Woolley mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk>> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM Message-ID: mailto:f16cb285-f304-9272-314b-685a25b59...@david-woolley.me.uk>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On 06/07/2020 14:02, Matthew Scanlon wrote: How are Bus Routes added into OSM? I have noticed that bus routes in Basildon (my local area) are a few years out of date with some service such as the 5 and 8Ahaving been withdrawn and the route 2 being renumbered 28 My understanding is that TfL doesn't licence the information on a basis that would allow it to be directly used, so OSM rely on members of the public using the buses, or tracing the routes between bus stops. How up to date the information is depends on how enthusiastic people are in an area, and there tends to be a preference for mapping things for the first time over maintaining existing mapping. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM
All bus routes in Great Britain and Isle of Man are available from https://www.travelinedata.org.uk/traveline-open-data/traveline-national-dataset/ <https://www.travelinedata.org.uk/traveline-open-data/traveline-national-dataset/> under the Open Government Licence which I believe is compatible with OSM https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Government_Licence>. You will need to apply for access from Traveline. I applied using "OpenStreetMap contributor” as the reason for use and was granted access on the next working day. Access is granted to an ftp server that can be accessed using an FTP client e.g. Cyberduck. BTW The traveline request form asks you to provide a password. Make sure you provide a unique password that you are happy to be sent in non-encrypted FTP request. Gareth Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 14:43:55 +0100 From: David Woolley To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On 06/07/2020 14:02, Matthew Scanlon wrote: > How are Bus Routes added into OSM? I have noticed that bus routes in > Basildon (my local area) are a few years out of date with some service > such as the 5 and 8Ahaving been withdrawn and the route 2 being > renumbered 28 > My understanding is that TfL doesn't licence the information on a basis that would allow it to be directly used, so OSM rely on members of the public using the buses, or tracing the routes between bus stops. How up to date the information is depends on how enthusiastic people are in an area, and there tends to be a preference for mapping things for the first time over maintaining existing mapping. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM
Hi Matthew, Bus routes are mapped using relations to associate the stretches of roads that they run along. As others have said, how up to date they are depends on how enthusiastic the (usually) local contributors are on maintaining this kind of data. It’s not automatic. Gareth > On 6 Jul 2020, at 14:21, Matthew Scanlon wrote: > > Matthew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM
Jul 6, 2020, 15:43 by for...@david-woolley.me.uk: > On 06/07/2020 14:02, Matthew Scanlon wrote: > >> How are Bus Routes added into OSM? I have noticed that bus routes in >> Basildon (my local area) are a few years out of date with some service such >> as the 5 and 8Ahaving been withdrawn and the route 2 being renumbered 28 >> > > My understanding is that TfL doesn't licence the information on a basis that > would allow it to be directly used, so OSM rely on members of the public > using the buses, or tracing the routes between bus stops. > > How up to date the information is depends on how enthusiastic people are in > an area, and there tends to be a preference for mapping things for the first > time over maintaining existing mapping. > And many people prefer to map or maintain things that are likely to be more or less stable - for example roads are far less likely to be moved/renamed than bus lines. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bus Routes on OSM
On 06/07/2020 14:02, Matthew Scanlon wrote: How are Bus Routes added into OSM? I have noticed that bus routes in Basildon (my local area) are a few years out of date with some service such as the 5 and 8Ahaving been withdrawn and the route 2 being renumbered 28 My understanding is that TfL doesn't licence the information on a basis that would allow it to be directly used, so OSM rely on members of the public using the buses, or tracing the routes between bus stops. How up to date the information is depends on how enthusiastic people are in an area, and there tends to be a preference for mapping things for the first time over maintaining existing mapping. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
