Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
Frankie, 2009/9/3 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: Using a combination of the GPS traces and the Yahoo satellite photography, I've tried to add as much detail to the map as possible: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.2258lon=-2.88111zoom=17 It looks great.. I've started recently trying to do something similar (remotely) for the Wildlife Park on the Isle of Man (http://osm.org/go/evGwiGNLr- ), but it's difficult without having been there for a while. So, I went out yesterday to start doing London Zoo (though without actually going in), which could really benefit from someone wanting to pay £18 to go in and map for an afternoon :) http://osm.org/go/euu4T5yf Is there really a bridleway right through the middle? Doesn't that play havock with the paying to get in? There is indeed! It's kept completely separate from the zoo though by walls on both sides. It's crossed by two bridges and the monorail. I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of it? I've done that with London Zoo which has a road, canal and tow-path running through it at various points, and is connected using bridges and a tunnel (or two?). Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
2009/9/6 Dan Karran d...@karran.net: Frankie, Is there really a bridleway right through the middle? Doesn't that play havock with the paying to get in? There is indeed! It's kept completely separate from the zoo though by walls on both sides. It's crossed by two bridges and the monorail. I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of it? I've done that with London Zoo which has a road, canal and tow-path running through it at various points, and is connected using bridges and a tunnel (or two?). Howletts, and Portlympye in Kent also have foot paths ways going through the middle, Its seams to be quite common. Howletts has a bridge over the zoo path with a bell for people unable to use the bridge (so they can be escorted through the part in the zoo) I have no plans to go and micro-map these at the moment. Peter ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
2009/9/6 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: It looks great.. I've started recently trying to do something similar (remotely) for the Wildlife Park on the Isle of Man (http://osm.org/go/evGwiGNLr- ), but it's difficult without having been there for a while. Nice. And a miniature railway too! The layout looks a little odd though (three separate tracks - I presume they're all linked together?). It'd be nice to add some enclosures too. There are apparently two or three different gauges running, with the inner part of the middle loop on one and another running around the length of the circuit outside that loop. They all link up though apparently. I've just added a relation for them all as well. Next time I'm home I'll try to add some more info, unless I can get permission to use details from their own map. I almost went to London Zoo yesterday, but ended up going paintballing (it was a friend's birthday do). I'm sure there are some London folk out there who could be persuaded to go and map it though... (I might even offer to contribute to the entrance fee). Hopefully :) I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of it? Good idea - I've just done this. (see http://osm.org/go/eufvD4GO) Not sure how big the gap between the two halves should be - I've just guesstimated it. I've also added both 'sides' of the zoo to a 'site' relation (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site), so that tags can be shared between them, but I'm not sure how well this is supported in the renderers at the moment. Ah, thanks for the pointer to the site relation. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
Loach: Looks good. From a view of pedestrian routing, are all entries and exits past the building labelled main entrance? Could the path perhaps be extended to the parking aisle to make clear that it is the way in, maybe? Perhaps with barrier=gate or similar if appropriate on the node where you pay? (I’ve not checked to see whether such is there already to be honest) I've now added http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/40125672, is that what you meant? (not sure if this path should extend through the building or not - it's actually more of a covered turnstile. You also reminded me that there's a separate pedestrian entrance here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/480729959 Bob Kerr wrote: I have added service=parking_aisle to the car park, I thought you may be interested to see that. I have not changed anything else. Thanks, didn't know about this tag! You mentioned geometry, I would suggest you look at JOSM. there is a tool that looks like a set square that helps keep areas at right angles. Ah, I can't cope with JOSM - wish there was a way of doing this in Potlatch (which does have a button for drawing neat circles). You may like also to play around with landuse=forrest landuse=grass natural=wetland natural=scrub amenity=toilets amenity=shelter Good ideas, thanks. It looks really good, I always think that mapping areas like this in detail gives the map much more life. I'm sure the zoo will be very pleased. I hope so too! I might customise the map slightly by adding animal icons (if I can find a nice set of pictograms). I've added animal=* tags, but I suspect it's a bit much to ask for support for these in Mapnik at the moment... I've also just experimented by adding barrier=fence to the outer boundary (I guess this should really be added to the two separate halves of the zoo instead), so I'm looking forward to seeing how that renders... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
Frankie Not familiar at all, so observations of the map suggest: Is there really a bridleway right through the middle? Doesn't that play havock with the paying to get in? Tagging of 2 islands needs looking at: Lemur Island and one in Flamingo Lake Are there really three things called Lemur Island? You could experiment with using barrier=fence. I presume the collected Monkey bits have a fence round them? Chhers STEVE -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Frankie Roberto Sent: Thu 03/09/2009 20:42 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: Subject: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested Hi all, I visited Chester Zoo a few weeks back, took my GPS, and spent an exhausting few hours walking along every path (as well as looking at a few of the animals). Using a combination of the GPS traces and the Yahoo satellite photography, I've tried to add as much detail to the map as possible: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.2258lon=-2.88111zoom=17 It's not 'complete', but I think I've done as much as I can without returning to do some more detailed surveying. Would appreciate any feedback (on the tagging or the geometry). There's some interesting use of tags, including animal=* (which was discussed on the main mailing list a few months back, but which I don't think has even been formally proposed), as well as natural=mud for the elephant enclosure (it's not natural, but it's definitely muddy), and a mixture of islands, navigable and non-navigable canals. I have a contact who works at the zoo, so I'm aiming to get the map as complete as possible, and then to send them a colour print of it as a gift. So, any help would be gratefully received! Frankie P.S The zoo is a great place to visit, if anyone fancies a day out... Don't miss the baby giraffe! -- Frankie Roberto ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
2009/9/3 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: I visited Chester Zoo a few weeks back, took my GPS, and spent an exhausting few hours walking along every path (as well as looking at a few of the animals). Look out Berlin, GB is on its way! Brilliant stuff Frankie / Grant ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
Hi Steve, Thanks for the speedy response! Is there really a bridleway right through the middle? Doesn't that play havock with the paying to get in? There is indeed! It's kept completely separate from the zoo though by walls on both sides. It's crossed by two bridges and the monorail. Tagging of 2 islands needs looking at: Lemur Island and one in Flamingo Lake I've just removed the one in Flamingo lake. From memory, it's partly submerged, and very muddy! Not sure how best to tag this. Generally, I've not been sure how to tag the islands (there are lots of them). Some of them are in man-made lakes (which I've tagged natural=water), whereas others are just surrounded by water on 1-3 sides (which I've added as non-navigable canals). The actual islands are sometimes wooded (natural=wood?), sometimes mud, and sometimes more like grass or plains... Are there really three things called Lemur Island? Actually, I think there's only one that's called 'Lemur Island' on the map, but there are indeed three islands with Lemurs on them (different species/sexes, I guess). You could experiment with using barrier=fence. I presume the collected Monkey bits have a fence round them? Yep. Actually, there are a lot of fences. I've experimented with areas tagged zoo=enclosure for a few bits, but that's a completely new invention (I think). Cheers, Frankie -- Frankie Roberto ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
Frankie Roberto wrote: I have a contact who works at the zoo, so I'm aiming to get the map as complete as possible, and then to send them a colour print of it as a gift. So, any help would be gratefully received! Wow that is *fantastic*. I love it. Sorry I can't be of more help. Tim ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
