Re: [Talk-GB] Stansted - cartography vs routing, and levels

2014-10-07 Thread SK53 
Hi Stuart,

This is quite a complex area to manage. I'm not sure that anyone has really
tried to do this for one location systematically anywhere in the UK. I've
certainly taken notes of some of the detail for Paddington because any
multi-modal journey through the station needs to take account of factors
such as tube station entrances, stairways vs lifts & escalators + the walk
to Lancaster Gate option. I have not, however, mapped anything like all the
things I've noted.

Shopping Centres (malls) have some similar problems. Recently a fellow
Nottingham mapper, will_p has extended the mapping of the Victoria Centre
in some detail .
This covers two levels with concourses at both levels mapped both as areas
and ways. Lifts, escalators and stairs have also been mapped, with a
limited attempt to also handle the lifts which provide access to the blocks
of flats above the shopping area, but not to the any details of the flats
themselves.

I suspect the place to look for existing best practice would be at SNCF
stations in the Ile-de-France. SNCF and the OSM-FR community have some kind
of collaborative agreement
. Stations on ligne-C
of the RER seem to have been mapped in some detail. A quick look at Les
Invalides  suggests
that it has some of the elements you require. There are probably places in
Germany which have been mapped in detail too.

My last suggestion would be to ask for advice on the forum
. There are two sub-fora on 3-D
buildings and indoor mapping where the people who have thought most about
these topics are most easily contacted.

HTH,

Jerry Clough



On 6 October 2014 10:20, Stuart Reynolds 
wrote:

>  Can you help?
>
>
>
> I have a problem with Stansted, and don’t know how to go about sorting it.
> Fundamentally, it is drawn so that it looks nice cartographically, but
> there are no routeable connections between the rail station and the coach
> station, or up into the terminal building. So I need to add some in, but
> levels keep getting in the way.
>
>
>
> The coach station is at ground level. Really ground level. Currently all
> the bays are shown, but behind the coach station there isn’t a footpath,
> but there is a roof. Unsurprisingly, pedestrians cannot use roofs! I can
> put a footpath underneath that, though, so it isn’t really a problem. The
> problem starts to come when you go into the terminal building, which you do
> just behind the coach station in a number of places (where the
> north-projecting bits of roof are).
>
>
>
> For those of you who don’t know Stansted, the terminal building sits atop
> a built up bank. So the entrance has all the appearance of being at ground
> level, as it is just like a mini hill, but is really at level 1, as can be
> seen if you view the terminal from the air side, with all of the baggage
> handling areas on the true ground floor. The entrances from the coach
> station go in at true ground, there are then
> footpaths/ramps/lifts/escalators down to the rail station at level -1, and
> up to the terminal building. The terminal building, though, is currently
> set to level 0 and I am loath to change it in case that makes it appear to
> be up in the air - and as I said, the air side of the terminal really does
> sit on the ground, and it is mapped as one building. The only part of the
> terminal that is currently mapped as level 1 is a passenger air bridge,
> which really is a walkway over a road. But it is a flat walk out of the
> level 0 terminal!
>
>
>
> I don’t want to break it, but I need to reflect the routing options,
> lifts, escalators, ramps, etc. But how should I enter these? As “visible”
> elements, or as hidden elements? And how should I show the tunnels from the
> ground level coach station under the terminal building as tunnels, and…
>
>
>
> You can see why I am confused!
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Stuart Reynolds
>
> For traveline south east & anglia
>
>
>
> email: stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk
>
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>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Stansted - cartography vs routing, and levels

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Mann 
Layers are _relative_, so I'd use layer=0 (ie default) for the layer with
the most detail (probably the public area of the terminal building), and if
that has to use stairs or escalators to fit in with adjacent layer=0 areas
then so be it.

Richard

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Stuart Reynolds <
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

>  Can you help?
>
>
>
> I have a problem with Stansted, and don’t know how to go about sorting it.
> Fundamentally, it is drawn so that it looks nice cartographically, but
> there are no routeable connections between the rail station and the coach
> station, or up into the terminal building. So I need to add some in, but
> levels keep getting in the way.
>
>
>
> The coach station is at ground level. Really ground level. Currently all
> the bays are shown, but behind the coach station there isn’t a footpath,
> but there is a roof. Unsurprisingly, pedestrians cannot use roofs! I can
> put a footpath underneath that, though, so it isn’t really a problem. The
> problem starts to come when you go into the terminal building, which you do
> just behind the coach station in a number of places (where the
> north-projecting bits of roof are).
>
>
>
> For those of you who don’t know Stansted, the terminal building sits atop
> a built up bank. So the entrance has all the appearance of being at ground
> level, as it is just like a mini hill, but is really at level 1, as can be
> seen if you view the terminal from the air side, with all of the baggage
> handling areas on the true ground floor. The entrances from the coach
> station go in at true ground, there are then
> footpaths/ramps/lifts/escalators down to the rail station at level -1, and
> up to the terminal building. The terminal building, though, is currently
> set to level 0 and I am loath to change it in case that makes it appear to
> be up in the air - and as I said, the air side of the terminal really does
> sit on the ground, and it is mapped as one building. The only part of the
> terminal that is currently mapped as level 1 is a passenger air bridge,
> which really is a walkway over a road. But it is a flat walk out of the
> level 0 terminal!
>
>
>
> I don’t want to break it, but I need to reflect the routing options,
> lifts, escalators, ramps, etc. But how should I enter these? As “visible”
> elements, or as hidden elements? And how should I show the tunnels from the
> ground level coach station under the terminal building as tunnels, and…
>
>
>
> You can see why I am confused!
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Stuart Reynolds
>
> For traveline south east & anglia
>
>
>
> email: stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk
>
> mob: 07788 106165
>
> skype: stuartjreynolds
>
>
>
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