Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

2011-11-14 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi Christoph

Thanks for this - We have Coventry data but can't get much enthusiasm from
the Coventry mappers to complete this. We're still to get Dudley - who
wants to approach them? Sandwell routes seem to appear at a different zoom
level to the rest?  Do we just have to wait for the rendering engine to
catch up?  Andy Mabbett - I think we just assume that everyone realises
that the motorways get gritted - if you start adding them where do you
finish? the UK motorway network is huge! Other major routes also gritted by
the HA?  Do you want to volunteer? ;-). Andy R  - I think your approach to
Sandwell is the the best- sit down around the map and correct it.  Who's
informing our contact at Sandwell about progress?

Regards

Brian

2011/11/13 Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net

 Hi all

 I've updated the gritting map [1]. The data was retrieved from the
 overpass api and is hopefully up to date. The map now covers the area
 between 2.275 and 1.378 west and 52.314 and 52.679 north.

 Let me know if there are areas which should have gritting routes but
 don't appear on the map. I wasn't following the progress closely enough
 to remember which councils made their data available already and what
 has been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting
 routes in Coventry were already in the database.

 Best
 Christoph


 [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml

 Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle:
  Hi everyone
 
  We're making great progress with over  half the routes now completed.
   Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would
  be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are
 still
  two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-)
 
  It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road alignments
  and anything else you see along the route
 
  Regards
 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

2011-11-14 Thread Andy Robinson
Brian,

 

Re Coventry, yes it would be nice to see some enthusiasm from there. Maybe
we should prod a few that are active currently?

Re Dudley, I’ll see if I can get the contact details of the appropriate
person.

Re Sandwell, I’m in contact.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 14 November 2011 11:12
To: Christoph Böhme
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

 

Hi Christoph

 

Thanks for this - We have Coventry data but can't get much enthusiasm from
the Coventry mappers to complete this. We're still to get Dudley - who wants
to approach them? Sandwell routes seem to appear at a different zoom level
to the rest?  Do we just have to wait for the rendering engine to catch up?
Andy Mabbett - I think we just assume that everyone realises that the
motorways get gritted - if you start adding them where do you finish? the UK
motorway network is huge! Other major routes also gritted by the HA?  Do you
want to volunteer? ;-). Andy R  - I think your approach to Sandwell is the
the best- sit down around the map and correct it.  Who's informing our
contact at Sandwell about progress?

 

Regards

 

Brian

2011/11/13 Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net

Hi all

I've updated the gritting map [1]. The data was retrieved from the
overpass api and is hopefully up to date. The map now covers the area
between 2.275 and 1.378 west and 52.314 and 52.679 north.

Let me know if there are areas which should have gritting routes but
don't appear on the map. I wasn't following the progress closely enough
to remember which councils made their data available already and what
has been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting
routes in Coventry were already in the database.

Best
Christoph


[1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml

Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle:

 Hi everyone

 We're making great progress with over  half the routes now completed.
  Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would
 be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are still
 two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-)

 It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road alignments
 and anything else you see along the route

 Regards

 Brian





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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

2011-11-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
I've asked my contacts there to investigate.

On 14 November 2011 15:20, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
 I note that BCC have removed the gritting map link from their winter
 maintenance page.



 Cheers

 Andy



 From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 14 November 2011 11:53
 To: 'Brian Prangle'; 'Christoph Böhme'
 Cc: 'talk-gb-westmidlands'
 Subject: RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes



 Brian,



 Re Coventry, yes it would be nice to see some enthusiasm from there. Maybe
 we should prod a few that are active currently?

 Re Dudley, I’ll see if I can get the contact details of the appropriate
 person.

 Re Sandwell, I’m in contact.



 Cheers

 Andy





 From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 14 November 2011 11:12
 To: Christoph Böhme
 Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes



 Hi Christoph



 Thanks for this - We have Coventry data but can't get much enthusiasm from
 the Coventry mappers to complete this. We're still to get Dudley - who wants
 to approach them? Sandwell routes seem to appear at a different zoom level
 to the rest?  Do we just have to wait for the rendering engine to catch up?
  Andy Mabbett - I think we just assume that everyone realises that the
 motorways get gritted - if you start adding them where do you finish? the UK
 motorway network is huge! Other major routes also gritted by the HA?  Do you
 want to volunteer? ;-). Andy R  - I think your approach to Sandwell is the
 the best- sit down around the map and correct it.  Who's informing our
 contact at Sandwell about progress?



 Regards



 Brian

 2011/11/13 Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net

 Hi all

 I've updated the gritting map [1]. The data was retrieved from the
 overpass api and is hopefully up to date. The map now covers the area
 between 2.275 and 1.378 west and 52.314 and 52.679 north.

 Let me know if there are areas which should have gritting routes but
 don't appear on the map. I wasn't following the progress closely enough
 to remember which councils made their data available already and what
 has been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting
 routes in Coventry were already in the database.

 Best
 Christoph


 [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml

 Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle:

 Hi everyone

 We're making great progress with over  half the routes now completed.
  Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would
 be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are still
 two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-)

 It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road alignments
 and anything else you see along the route

 Regards

 Brian





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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

2011-11-13 Thread Christoph Böhme
Hi all

I've updated the gritting map [1]. The data was retrieved from the
overpass api and is hopefully up to date. The map now covers the area
between 2.275 and 1.378 west and 52.314 and 52.679 north.

Let me know if there are areas which should have gritting routes but
don't appear on the map. I wasn't following the progress closely enough
to remember which councils made their data available already and what
has been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting
routes in Coventry were already in the database.

Best
Christoph


[1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml

Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle:
 Hi everyone
 
 We're making great progress with over  half the routes now completed.
  Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would
 be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are still
 two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-)
 
 It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road alignments
 and anything else you see along the route
 
 Regards
 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

2011-11-13 Thread Andy Robinson
Great work Christoph, thanks. Sandwell was the area which we were working on
this last week which is well inside you defined area. I'm sure Brian can
respond on the other points.

Hope all is well with you

Cheers
Andy

 -Original Message-
 From: Christoph Böhme [mailto:christ...@b3e.net]
 Sent: 13 November 2011 22:24
 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes
 
 Hi all
 
 I've updated the gritting map [1]. The data was retrieved from the
overpass
 api and is hopefully up to date. The map now covers the area between 2.275
 and 1.378 west and 52.314 and 52.679 north.
 
 Let me know if there are areas which should have gritting routes but don't
 appear on the map. I wasn't following the progress closely enough to
 remember which councils made their data available already and what has
 been added to the map yet. For instance, I thought the gritting routes in
 Coventry were already in the database.
 
 Best
 Christoph
 
 
 [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml
 
 Am 10.11.2011 12:36, schrieb Brian Prangle:
  Hi everyone
 
  We're making great progress with over  half the routes now completed.
   Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it
  would be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There
  are still two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one
  ;-)
 
  It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road
  alignments and anything else you see along the route
 
  Regards
 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

2011-11-13 Thread Mary Mooney
Hi Andy M

Motorways are the responsibility of the Highways Agency, not the local 
authority. Probably don't need to grit M5, M6 etc because the average top speed 
is zero mph (tongue in cheek). 

Mary 

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Nov 2011, at 23:29, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 2011/11/13 Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net:
 Hi all
 
 I've updated the gritting map [1].
 
 [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/gritting-map.shtml
 
 Nice job; thank you.
 
 All: Shouldn't motorways be tagged as being gritted?
 
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting routes

2011-11-10 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone

We're making great progress with over  half the routes now completed.
 Christoph will be re-rendering the gritting map this weekend so it would
be good to see if we could complete this at the same time. There are still
two routes unallocated - so grit your teeth and choose one ;-)

It's also a good opportunity to do some tidying up of the road alignments
and anything else you see along the route

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

2011-11-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
Possibly - perhaps one doing the inside and one the outside lanes?

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On Nov 5, 2011 10:18 PM, Mike Duffy mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Decided to try my hand at gritting routes, picked route 3. Everything
 going(more or less smoothly until I arrived at Black Country New Road, and
 found I was overlaying  Black Adders route 2 data. Is this sort of
 duplication normal?
 Miked29

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk]
 Sent: 31 October 2011 17:41
 To: Brian Prangle
 Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

 I've now recieved eight driver routes for Sandwell MBC's gritting
 routes, uploaded them to Google Docs, and posted a link to them, from
 the wiki page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Sandwell_Gritting

 On 17 October 2011 16:34, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:

  There is now  a section on  Sandwell's gritting routes on the mappamercia
  wiki page where you can sign up to complete a route, with weblinks to PDF
  files describing the various routes. It's good fun and also an
 opportunity
  to visit areas that haven't been touched for some time allowing us to
  realign roads with bing aerial imagery and relpace node POIs with
 building
  POIs etc

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

2011-11-06 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi mike


Yes this is a regular occurrence: where this occurs just tag the route as
=x;y  suing the two route nos

Regards

Brian

On 6 November 2011 08:53, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Possibly - perhaps one doing the inside and one the outside lanes?

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 @pigsonthewing
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 On Nov 5, 2011 10:18 PM, Mike Duffy mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Decided to try my hand at gritting routes, picked route 3. Everything
 going(more or less smoothly until I arrived at Black Country New Road, and
 found I was overlaying  Black Adders route 2 data. Is this sort of
 duplication normal?
 Miked29

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk]
 Sent: 31 October 2011 17:41
 To: Brian Prangle
 Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

 I've now recieved eight driver routes for Sandwell MBC's gritting
 routes, uploaded them to Google Docs, and posted a link to them, from
 the wiki page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Sandwell_Gritting

 On 17 October 2011 16:34, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:

  There is now  a section on  Sandwell's gritting routes on the
 mappamercia
  wiki page where you can sign up to complete a route, with weblinks to
 PDF
  files describing the various routes. It's good fun and also an
 opportunity
  to visit areas that haven't been touched for some time allowing us to
  realign roads with bing aerial imagery and relpace node POIs with
 building
  POIs etc

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

2011-11-06 Thread Andy Robinson
Mike,

It's possible post of the routes start or use part of the Black Country New
Road. As Brian says, just add your route number in with the others.

Cheers
Andy

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 05 November 2011 22:19
 To: 'Andy Mabbett'
 Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes
 
 Decided to try my hand at gritting routes, picked route 3. Everything
 going(more or less smoothly until I arrived at Black Country New Road, and
 found I was overlaying  Black Adders route 2 data. Is this sort of
duplication
 normal?
 Miked29
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk]
 Sent: 31 October 2011 17:41
 To: Brian Prangle
 Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes
 
 I've now recieved eight driver routes for Sandwell MBC's gritting routes,
 uploaded them to Google Docs, and posted a link to them, from the wiki
 page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Sandwell_Gritting
 
 On 17 October 2011 16:34, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  There is now  a section on  Sandwell's gritting routes on the
  mappamercia wiki page where you can sign up to complete a route, with
  weblinks to PDF files describing the various routes. It's good fun and
  also an opportunity to visit areas that haven't been touched for some
  time allowing us to realign roads with bing aerial imagery and relpace
  node POIs with building POIs etc
 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

2011-10-24 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi Gareth

Many thanks for your offer of help, but ED is correct - we've already
utilised the text route directions published by Walsall Council to complete
our gritting map.  What would be of great benefit would be for someone to
check the inconsistencies we found (see below) and feedback to us. Also it
would be great if you could keep us up to date of any changes
ot gritting routes.

Regards

Brian

Walsall Gritting

Walsall's gritting routes are in the PDF at
http://www.walsall.gov.uk/index/winter_service.htm

There are 16 routes (p14 onwards); 8 priority 1and 8 priority 2, all centred
on Cable Drive depot, at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.59793lon=-1.99386zoom=16layers=M

If you are able  willing to tag one of these routes with:

   - maintenance=gritting
   - gritting=priority_1 (routes 1-8)
   - gritting=priority_2 (routes 9-16)
   - gritting_route_ref=1 (numbers 1-8)
   - gritting_operator=Walsall MBC (The latter mainly to differentiate from
   neighbouring authorities)


   1. - Andy Mabbett - Done.
   2. - Andy Mabbett - (problem: p17, After first stop gritting, no start
   gritting before next stop; I've assumed gritting starts again on
   Littleton Street East, otherwise, why is the lane specified?). Owen Road 
   Birmingham Street sections also confusing. References to Anson Road
   Junction/ Anson Junction make no sense. Ends with two stop gritting
   sections. - Stopped at first Anson reference.
   3. - Andy Mabbett - After Broadway, where is TR from West Bromwich Road
   to West Bromwich Street? - Otherwise, done.
   4. - Andy Mabbett - Done.
   5. - Andy Mabbett - Why the apparent detour, up and down Spring Road,
   without gritting? Lichfield Street Left Slip Road added to map. - Done.
   6. - Andy Mabbett - lines 3-5 (Foley Rd) not clear - Otherwise, done.
   7. - Andy Mabbett - Norton Road does not run to boundary, so assume this
   includes part of Lime Lane?; No Wyrley Road, so assume Wyrley Lane; Can't
   find Castle Road off Howdles Lane. - Done.
   8. - Brian - `Problems follow: Bradford St TL to Corporation St TR Pleck
   Road - couldn't make any sense of these directions. Entrance to and exit
   from Park Road Bloxwich is ambiguous; is my choice the correct one? High St
   Bloxwich TL and start gritting Green Lane: is the slip road the route and
   does it get gritted? Also TL from High St is into Somerfield Road which only
   becomes Green Lane after the roundabout according to our data. - DONE
   9. - Brian Problems follow Essington Rd TR Dorchester Rd should be TL.
   DONE
   10. - Brian Problems follow Is Diversion due to Bridge Closure on Bentley
   Road South still in operation? DONE
   11. - Brian Problems follow Wolverhampton St TR Pinfold St Stop Gritting
   should be TL. DONE
   12. - Brian DONE
   13. - Brian Problems follow: Chester Rd TR Lazy Hill Road should read
   TL.At end of route Chester Rd TR Castlehill Rd should read TL DONE
   14. - Brian Turn direction Daw End Lane to King George Crescent missing.
   Turn direction King George Crescent to Floyds Lane missing - have I chosen
   the correct direction? Broadway North TL Princes Avenue not sure I've used
   the correct route here. DONE
   15. - Brian DONE - there were problems but I lost all my wiki edits -
   they're only minor and the gritting route is complete
   16. - Brian Problems follow: Harden Rd TR start gritting Coalpool Lane -
   Coalpool Lane is TL from Harden Rd. The Pinfold TL Goodhall St is Woodall St
   according to our data and OS StreetView. Ingram Road TR Start gritting Field
   Road SO The Pinfold - to do this you need Ingram Road TL. Wolverhampton Road
   TL Clarendon St you need TR. New St TR Stop gritting Clarendon ST TL Elmore
   Green Rd to get to Elmore Green Rd you need New St TL Clarendon St. DONE


On 23 October 2011 11:46, Gareth Illmann-Walker 
subscr...@illmann-walker.com wrote:

  Hi all,

 As I'm a councillor in Walsall and just happened to be on the Winter
 Planning Sub-Committee, I'm more than happy to ask for the routes (for
 Walsall) on your behalf, can't think of any reason they'd not give them me.

 However as I've been out with the gritters you should note that the routes
 start and stop quite a lot so they're not like one continuous route. This is
 because there is crossover in terms of the routes the drivers have to take
 to get to the roads they actually have to grit.

 Gareth


 On 22/10/2011 14:55, Brian Prangle wrote:

 Hi everyone

  Thanks to Andy Mabbett for showing us where these files are located. I
 went to start editing one of the gritting routes today and discovered that
 the pdf files are all crown copyright maps derived from the OS so are in
 fact useless for our purposes- what we need are text-based descriptions -
 ideally the actual routes given to the gritting drivers as published by
 Solihull, Wolverhampton and Walsall; or a list of streets as published by
 Birmingham

  Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

2011-10-22 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone

Thanks to Andy Mabbett for showing us where these files are located. I
went to start editing one of the gritting routes today and discovered that
the pdf files are all crown copyright maps derived from the OS so are in
fact useless for our purposes- what we need are text-based descriptions -
ideally the actual routes given to the gritting drivers as published by
Solihull, Wolverhampton and Walsall; or a list of streets as published by
Birmingham

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell gritting routes

2011-10-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
At last!

   http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/downloads/download/1046/gritting_routes

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell gritting routes

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Prangle
Well done Andy  - I'll make start this week - it'll make a nice change form
tracing buildings. I'll get a wiki page set up so other people can assist
and identify routes to add.

Regards

Brian

On 17 October 2011 10:35, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 At last!

   http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/downloads/download/1046/gritting_routes

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell gritting routes

2011-10-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
Better still, I'm promised Birmingham's grit bin locations will be on
their website later today, in CSV format.

On 17 October 2011 10:58, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well done Andy  - I'll make start this week - it'll make a nice change form
 tracing buildings. I'll get a wiki page set up so other people can assist
 and identify routes to add.
 Regards
 Brian

 On 17 October 2011 10:35, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 At last!

   http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/downloads/download/1046/gritting_routes

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell gritting routes

2011-10-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
@SandwellCouncil now say The maps include our priority one and
priority two roads - but we treat them the same, so don't separate
them on our maps!

On 17 October 2011 11:10, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 Turns out (ongoing conversation on Twitter) that these maps are not a
 complete route list, but what we might effectively call priority 1.

 @sandwellCouncil just said Depending on weather, we extend it to
 sideroads sometimes, but these are the main routes and they don't
 vary

 On 17 October 2011 10:58, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well done Andy  - I'll make start this week - it'll make a nice change form
 tracing buildings. I'll get a wiki page set up so other people can assist
 and identify routes to add.
 Regards
 Brian

 On 17 October 2011 10:35, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 At last!

   http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/downloads/download/1046/gritting_routes

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sandwell Gritting Routes

2011-10-17 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone

There is now  a section on  Sandwell's gritting routes on the mappamercia
wiki page where you can sign up to complete a route, with weblinks to PDF
files describing the various routes. It's good fun and also an opportunity
to visit areas that haven't been touched for some time allowing us to
realign roads with bing aerial imagery and relpace node POIs with building
POIs etc

Regards

Brian
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