Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
ARP was/is listed for any offshore islands which were above sea level at high tide as far as I know. It doesn't mean that they were considered townlands as such (if the name appears in italics on the map, then they were considered to be extra-territorial. One occasional issue with the Bing imagery is where different parts of a lakeshore were photographed at different times, e.g. the northern part of Lough Ree was photographed in summer, whereas the southern part was obviously photographed during the winter floods, leading to an inconsistency in the shoreline between the two parts. In the northern part I followed the image while in the southern part I tried to follow the GSGS map. Paddy Matthews. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Killian Driscoll < killiandrisc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks - Inishfale isn't a townland on the GIS layer I have (maybe an error > with that layer?). I wasn't doubting Beggerin was a townland! Just looking > for it: I found it on my GIS layer. I can't see the orig OS maps here > http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html for the Beggerin Island area. > Are > they available? > > Killian Driscoll > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > Département d'anthropologie > Université de Montréal > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > www.lithicsireland.ie > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > On 15 May 2015 at 18:25, Donal Diamond wrote: > > > You can check the online 1901 townland index (there is also a 1911 > > supplement at same site) and see Beggerin Island is listed: > > > > > > > http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20date%29/1901/Ireland&active=yes&mno=453&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=158 > > > > Inishfale/Inisfale is probably a townland as ARP and boundary is listed > on > > the map sheets - it must be an omission from the townland indexes? > > > > D > > > > > > D > > > > > > On 15 May 2015 at 22:44, Killian Driscoll > > wrote: > > > > > I can't see the orig OS maps here > > > http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html > > > for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available? > > > > > > Killian Driscoll > > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > > Département d'anthropologie > > > Université de Montréal > > > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > > > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official > townland > > > (at > > > > least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have > > > access > > > > to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale > > Island' > > > > as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland? > > > > > > > > Killian Driscoll > > > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > > > Département d'anthropologie > > > > Université de Montréal > > > > > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > > > > > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll < > killiandrisc...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level > > > >> contained > > > >> > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of > Derrynadooey > > to > > > >> the > > > >> > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( > > > >> > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which > > is > > > >> > listed > > > >> > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the > national > > > >> > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland > > > outline. > > > >> > The traced townland on the osm > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 > > > >> > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official > sites > > > and > > > >> > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such > townland > > as > > > >> > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by > > > osm. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> This is resolvable - the island still exists as a townland. > > > >> > > > >> What you do is: > > > >> > > > >> 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role > > > >> outer) > > > >> 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role > > inner, > > > >> this creates a hole in Derrnadooey > > > >> > > > >> For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before > > drainage > > > >> created the Slobs in Wexford > > > >> > > > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/ > > > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/ > > > >> > > > >> Hope this helps > > > >> > > > >> D > > > >> ___ > > > >> Talk-ie mailing list > > > >> Talk-ie@ope
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
Thanks - Inishfale isn't a townland on the GIS layer I have (maybe an error with that layer?). I wasn't doubting Beggerin was a townland! Just looking for it: I found it on my GIS layer. I can't see the orig OS maps here http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available? Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 15 May 2015 at 18:25, Donal Diamond wrote: > You can check the online 1901 townland index (there is also a 1911 > supplement at same site) and see Beggerin Island is listed: > > > http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20date%29/1901/Ireland&active=yes&mno=453&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=158 > > Inishfale/Inisfale is probably a townland as ARP and boundary is listed on > the map sheets - it must be an omission from the townland indexes? > > D > > > D > > > On 15 May 2015 at 22:44, Killian Driscoll > wrote: > > > I can't see the orig OS maps here > > http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html > > for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available? > > > > Killian Driscoll > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > Département d'anthropologie > > Université de Montréal > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll > > wrote: > > > > > I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland > > (at > > > least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have > > access > > > to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale > Island' > > > as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland? > > > > > > Killian Driscoll > > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > > Département d'anthropologie > > > Université de Montréal > > > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > > > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond > wrote: > > > > > >> On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level > > >> contained > > >> > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey > to > > >> the > > >> > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( > > >> > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which > is > > >> > listed > > >> > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national > > >> > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland > > outline. > > >> > The traced townland on the osm > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 > > >> > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites > > and > > >> > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland > as > > >> > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by > > osm. > > >> > > > >> > > >> This is resolvable - the island still exists as a townland. > > >> > > >> What you do is: > > >> > > >> 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role > > >> outer) > > >> 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role > inner, > > >> this creates a hole in Derrnadooey > > >> > > >> For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before > drainage > > >> created the Slobs in Wexford > > >> > > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/ > > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/ > > >> > > >> Hope this helps > > >> > > >> D > > >> ___ > > >> Talk-ie mailing list > > >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
You can check the online 1901 townland index (there is also a 1911 supplement at same site) and see Beggerin Island is listed: http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20date%29/1901/Ireland&active=yes&mno=453&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=158 Inishfale/Inisfale is probably a townland as ARP and boundary is listed on the map sheets - it must be an omission from the townland indexes? D D On 15 May 2015 at 22:44, Killian Driscoll wrote: > I can't see the orig OS maps here > http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html > for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available? > > Killian Driscoll > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > Département d'anthropologie > Université de Montréal > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > www.lithicsireland.ie > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll > wrote: > > > I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland > (at > > least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have > access > > to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale Island' > > as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland? > > > > Killian Driscoll > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > Département d'anthropologie > > Université de Montréal > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond wrote: > > > >> On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level > >> contained > >> > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to > >> the > >> > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( > >> > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is > >> > listed > >> > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national > >> > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland > outline. > >> > The traced townland on the osm > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 > >> > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites > and > >> > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as > >> > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by > osm. > >> > > >> > >> This is resolvable - the island still exists as a townland. > >> > >> What you do is: > >> > >> 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role > >> outer) > >> 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner, > >> this creates a hole in Derrnadooey > >> > >> For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before drainage > >> created the Slobs in Wexford > >> > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/ > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/ > >> > >> Hope this helps > >> > >> D > >> ___ > >> Talk-ie mailing list > >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >> > > > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
I can't see the orig OS maps here http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available? Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll wrote: > I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland (at > least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have access > to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale Island' > as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland? > > Killian Driscoll > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > Département d'anthropologie > Université de Montréal > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > www.lithicsireland.ie > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond wrote: > >> On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll >> wrote: >> >> > >> > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level >> contained >> > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to >> the >> > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( >> > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is >> > listed >> > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national >> > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline. >> > The traced townland on the osm >> > >> > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 >> > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and >> > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as >> > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm. >> > >> >> This is resolvable - the island still exists as a townland. >> >> What you do is: >> >> 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role >> outer) >> 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner, >> this creates a hole in Derrnadooey >> >> For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before drainage >> created the Slobs in Wexford >> >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/ >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/ >> >> Hope this helps >> >> D >> ___ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland (at least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have access to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale Island' as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland? Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll > wrote: > > > > > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level > contained > > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to > the > > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( > > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is > > listed > > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national > > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline. > > The traced townland on the osm > > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 > > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and > > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as > > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm. > > > > This is resolvable - the island still exists as a townland. > > What you do is: > > 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role outer) > 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner, > this creates a hole in Derrnadooey > > For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before drainage > created the Slobs in Wexford > > http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/ > http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/ > > Hope this helps > > D > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll wrote: > > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level contained > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to the > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is > listed > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline. > The traced townland on the osm > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm. > This is resolvable - the island still exists as a townland. What you do is: 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role outer) 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner, this creates a hole in Derrnadooey For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before drainage created the Slobs in Wexford http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/ http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/ Hope this helps D ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
I read that thread, I figured there was something about it before, just couldn't recall. If I'm honest, I think my opinion has changed from the one I originally stated in that thread on the basis that townland boundaries are changed through statutory instruments only (as far as I am aware). I'd welcome being corrected though especially in the context of what was mentioned in that previous thread with regards to how boundaries are treated where there is coastal erosion etc. It could well be that there's a set way of handling all these variations and we're meeting all of them presently or might need to modify some things a little. Would the smoothened boundary data from the CSO site give any indication? Dave On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:45 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 15/05/2015, Donal Diamond wrote: > > There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was > given > > ;-) > > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html > > > > So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can all > > agree on a common approach. > > I don't see many conflicts of opinion in that thread : > * Brian was following the GSGS boundary but started the thread for enquiry > * Conor suggested following the new shoreline instead > * Dacor agreed to follow the new shoreline, based on IRC discussion > * No reply from brian, I assume he followed Conor and Dacor's answers > > As for myself, before reviewing that old thread, the same "follow the > new shoreline" principle was the one that appealed me most (don't like > the idea of land that doesn't belong to a townland).. > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
Sorry - that should be: Irish monuments are now appearing in townlands where they are not there officially according to the sites and monuments record. Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 15 May 2015 at 16:54, Killian Driscoll wrote: > I guess it comes down to what we are doing here. By changing the boundary > to match the new shoreline we are in effect changing the townland size, and > also creating anomalies whereby e.g. Irish monuments are now appearing in > townlands where there are not there officially according to the sites and > monuments record. > > Killian Driscoll > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > Département d'anthropologie > Université de Montréal > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > www.lithicsireland.ie > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > On 15 May 2015 at 16:45, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > >> On 15/05/2015, Donal Diamond wrote: >> > There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was >> given >> > ;-) >> > >> > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html >> > >> > So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can >> all >> > agree on a common approach. >> >> I don't see many conflicts of opinion in that thread : >> * Brian was following the GSGS boundary but started the thread for enquiry >> * Conor suggested following the new shoreline instead >> * Dacor agreed to follow the new shoreline, based on IRC discussion >> * No reply from brian, I assume he followed Conor and Dacor's answers >> >> As for myself, before reviewing that old thread, the same "follow the >> new shoreline" principle was the one that appealed me most (don't like >> the idea of land that doesn't belong to a townland).. >> >> ___ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
I guess it comes down to what we are doing here. By changing the boundary to match the new shoreline we are in effect changing the townland size, and also creating anomalies whereby e.g. Irish monuments are now appearing in townlands where there are not there officially according to the sites and monuments record. Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 15 May 2015 at 16:45, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 15/05/2015, Donal Diamond wrote: > > There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was > given > > ;-) > > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html > > > > So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can all > > agree on a common approach. > > I don't see many conflicts of opinion in that thread : > * Brian was following the GSGS boundary but started the thread for enquiry > * Conor suggested following the new shoreline instead > * Dacor agreed to follow the new shoreline, based on IRC discussion > * No reply from brian, I assume he followed Conor and Dacor's answers > > As for myself, before reviewing that old thread, the same "follow the > new shoreline" principle was the one that appealed me most (don't like > the idea of land that doesn't belong to a townland).. > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
On 15/05/2015, Donal Diamond wrote: > There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was given > ;-) > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html > > So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can all > agree on a common approach. I don't see many conflicts of opinion in that thread : * Brian was following the GSGS boundary but started the thread for enquiry * Conor suggested following the new shoreline instead * Dacor agreed to follow the new shoreline, based on IRC discussion * No reply from brian, I assume he followed Conor and Dacor's answers As for myself, before reviewing that old thread, the same "follow the new shoreline" principle was the one that appealed me most (don't like the idea of land that doesn't belong to a townland).. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
Some of the townlands did have their boundary updated, such as Rock Big in Wicklow (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.7749/-6.1459) , see http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/si/0333.html . But that seems to be more of an exception than a rule. Personally I would put the boundary on the existing level of the lake but keep Inishfale with as much of the original boundary as possible. Maybe it's something that can be looked at again when all the townlands are mapped? Dafo > From: killiandrisc...@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 15:49:33 -0400 > To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with > changed lake levels and new boundaries > > Thanks, I've just read the earlier messages. > > For the most part it's not probematical to use the new lake level, but it > does raise some anomalies. For example: > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level contained > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to the > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is listed > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline. > The traced townland on the osm > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm. > > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
Thanks, I've just read the earlier messages. For the most part it's not probematical to use the new lake level, but it does raise some anomalies. For example: At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level contained an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to the west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 ( http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is listed as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline. The traced townland on the osm http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517 of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm. Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 15 May 2015 at 14:40, Donal Diamond wrote: > There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was given > ;-) > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html > > So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can all > agree on a common approach. > > > D > > > On 15 May 2015 at 18:32, Killian Driscoll > wrote: > > > Thanks. "stick with the boundary markings as they exist on the map > sheets": > > if you scan the lake edges of e.g. Lough Neagh, Gara, Derravaragh, Allen > > etc. that have lowered lake levels the traced townland boundaries all now > > match the new lake level, so I think the map sheets have been ignored and > > new boundaries have been drawn. Maybe others who have been tracing lakes > > with dropped lake levels can comment? > > > > Killian Driscoll > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > Département d'anthropologie > > Université de Montréal > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > > On 15 May 2015 at 13:28, Dave Corley wrote: > > > > > Hi Killian, > > > > > > I'm trying to recall what was done in the past for this as I'm sure > it's > > > come up. > > > > > > To the best of my recollection, stick with the boundary markings as > they > > > exist on the map sheets. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > On 14 May 2015 22:12, "Killian Driscoll" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've been working on tracing townlands by Lough Conn, Mayo and don't > > know > > > > how to deal with some boundaries due to the drop in lake levels from > > > > drainage works. Here http://osm.org/go/etJ86lqw-?m= you can see that > > > I've > > > > left out four townlands: Scotchfort, Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and > > > > 'Cappanaglogh (Part Of): you can see that the latter is between > > > > Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and with the lake level change and the > > > > inclusion of a previous island into the townland it's not clear how a > > new > > > > boundary should be drawn. > > > > > > > > A related issue is whether the boundaries should be redrawn at all > > here, > > > or > > > > if the original pre-drainage works lake level boundary should be > > > respected > > > > (I looked at Lough Gara and see that the tracing has followed the new > > > lake > > > > level). The GIS townland layer I have used before has kept the > original > > > > townland size and not changed the outline to match the 'new' lake > > level. > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate advice on this, > > > > > > > > > > > > Killian Driscoll > > > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > > > Département d'anthropologie > > > > Université de Montréal > > > > > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > > ___ > > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > > > ___ > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
There's an earlier thread on topic here where conflicting advice was given ;-) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2014-October/000741.html So looks like it is worthwhile opening up the discussion where we can all agree on a common approach. D On 15 May 2015 at 18:32, Killian Driscoll wrote: > Thanks. "stick with the boundary markings as they exist on the map sheets": > if you scan the lake edges of e.g. Lough Neagh, Gara, Derravaragh, Allen > etc. that have lowered lake levels the traced townland boundaries all now > match the new lake level, so I think the map sheets have been ignored and > new boundaries have been drawn. Maybe others who have been tracing lakes > with dropped lake levels can comment? > > Killian Driscoll > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > Département d'anthropologie > Université de Montréal > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > www.lithicsireland.ie > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > On 15 May 2015 at 13:28, Dave Corley wrote: > > > Hi Killian, > > > > I'm trying to recall what was done in the past for this as I'm sure it's > > come up. > > > > To the best of my recollection, stick with the boundary markings as they > > exist on the map sheets. > > > > Dave > > > > > > On 14 May 2015 22:12, "Killian Driscoll" > > wrote: > > > > > I've been working on tracing townlands by Lough Conn, Mayo and don't > know > > > how to deal with some boundaries due to the drop in lake levels from > > > drainage works. Here http://osm.org/go/etJ86lqw-?m= you can see that > > I've > > > left out four townlands: Scotchfort, Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and > > > 'Cappanaglogh (Part Of): you can see that the latter is between > > > Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and with the lake level change and the > > > inclusion of a previous island into the townland it's not clear how a > new > > > boundary should be drawn. > > > > > > A related issue is whether the boundaries should be redrawn at all > here, > > or > > > if the original pre-drainage works lake level boundary should be > > respected > > > (I looked at Lough Gara and see that the tracing has followed the new > > lake > > > level). The GIS townland layer I have used before has kept the original > > > townland size and not changed the outline to match the 'new' lake > level. > > > > > > I'd appreciate advice on this, > > > > > > > > > Killian Driscoll > > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > > Département d'anthropologie > > > Université de Montréal > > > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > > ___ > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
Thanks. "stick with the boundary markings as they exist on the map sheets": if you scan the lake edges of e.g. Lough Neagh, Gara, Derravaragh, Allen etc. that have lowered lake levels the traced townland boundaries all now match the new lake level, so I think the map sheets have been ignored and new boundaries have been drawn. Maybe others who have been tracing lakes with dropped lake levels can comment? Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 15 May 2015 at 13:28, Dave Corley wrote: > Hi Killian, > > I'm trying to recall what was done in the past for this as I'm sure it's > come up. > > To the best of my recollection, stick with the boundary markings as they > exist on the map sheets. > > Dave > > > On 14 May 2015 22:12, "Killian Driscoll" > wrote: > > > I've been working on tracing townlands by Lough Conn, Mayo and don't know > > how to deal with some boundaries due to the drop in lake levels from > > drainage works. Here http://osm.org/go/etJ86lqw-?m= you can see that > I've > > left out four townlands: Scotchfort, Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and > > 'Cappanaglogh (Part Of): you can see that the latter is between > > Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and with the lake level change and the > > inclusion of a previous island into the townland it's not clear how a new > > boundary should be drawn. > > > > A related issue is whether the boundaries should be redrawn at all here, > or > > if the original pre-drainage works lake level boundary should be > respected > > (I looked at Lough Gara and see that the tracing has followed the new > lake > > level). The GIS townland layer I have used before has kept the original > > townland size and not changed the outline to match the 'new' lake level. > > > > I'd appreciate advice on this, > > > > > > Killian Driscoll > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > > Département d'anthropologie > > Université de Montréal > > > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > > www.lithicsireland.ie > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries
Hi Killian, I'm trying to recall what was done in the past for this as I'm sure it's come up. To the best of my recollection, stick with the boundary markings as they exist on the map sheets. Dave On 14 May 2015 22:12, "Killian Driscoll" wrote: > I've been working on tracing townlands by Lough Conn, Mayo and don't know > how to deal with some boundaries due to the drop in lake levels from > drainage works. Here http://osm.org/go/etJ86lqw-?m= you can see that I've > left out four townlands: Scotchfort, Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and > 'Cappanaglogh (Part Of): you can see that the latter is between > Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and with the lake level change and the > inclusion of a previous island into the townland it's not clear how a new > boundary should be drawn. > > A related issue is whether the boundaries should be redrawn at all here, or > if the original pre-drainage works lake level boundary should be respected > (I looked at Lough Gara and see that the tracing has followed the new lake > level). The GIS townland layer I have used before has kept the original > townland size and not changed the outline to match the 'new' lake level. > > I'd appreciate advice on this, > > > Killian Driscoll > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow > Département d'anthropologie > Université de Montréal > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll > www.lithicsireland.ie > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Sheet request 17/25 SE
On 15 May 2015 at 08:58, Gary Sturgeon wrote: > Hi, > > Can I request the following sheet: > > 17/25 SE > > All of 17-25 is already uploaded: http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=title&query=IRL-GSGS-3906-17-25&show_warped=0 > first time attempting this so I may need some help! > We're here to help! I presume you have looked at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ireland/Mapping_Townlands and DaCor's helpful videos. The best place to get real-time help is on the irc channel - there's usually someone on line but bear in mind it's not like a manned helpdesk so you may have to wait for someone to notice. https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/osm-ie The mailing-list is also a good place for questions as well as other new mappers will benefit from seeing the responses. Good Luck! D > > Cheers, > > Gary > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] Sheet request 17/25 SE
Hi, Can I request the following sheet: 17/25 SE first time attempting this so I may need some help! Cheers, Gary ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Congratulations Stephen on 4, 021 townlands mapped !!
We are tantalisingly close to hitting 50% for the whole island, which is an incredible community effort in such a short time. Sent from my iPhone > On 14 May 2015, at 23:10, Dave Corley wrote: > > Wow, and I thought I was doing great coming up to 1,000 lol > > Nice work Stephen and others. > On 14 May 2015 23:07, "Killyfole and District Development Association" < > webmas...@killyfole.org.uk> wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> Just wanted to congratulate "Stephen_Co_Antrim" on hitting the 4,000+ >> townlands mark, that’s quite the achievement! Well done and keep her lit! >> >> http://www.townlands.ie/mappers/ >> >> ___ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
