Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 80, Issue 1

[Caroline Lewis]

They all sound very useful sources of information 
It would be a pity not to do something with them 

btw i haven’t had time to do mapping for some months now due to work 
commitments/overload but I hope to get back to co cork next week :)


> On 10 Jan 2016, at 11:15, Brian Hollinshead  wrote:
> 
> Following a deafening non-response to last my last week's mail I badly need
> advice from as many of you as possible as to how I distribute or dispose of
> about 270 paper OS sheets of County Meath, all except 10 of these were
> published prior to 1965 and so are considered out of copyright. Ciaran had
> posted a list of c.1200 maps last july which caused no response but I
> recently received a futher donation 39 maps for Meath.
> 
> *Please I really would welcome some sort of voiced consensus or even near
> consensus as long as it is voiced*.
> 
> Are these a useful source of data (new data or for correcting typos
> unreadable from GSGS sheets)?
> 
> Does anybody want to use them as paper sheets with Bing to add still
> existing burial places etc?
> 
> There are 84 6", 193  1:2500 and 2 1:1250 and a townplan of 'Innfield'
> dating from 1943.
> 
> Does anyone think we should somehow scan the townplan maps with a view to
> at some later date add them to a maps.openstreetmap.ie layer as we have the
> Barthomelew etc?
> 
> Does anybody want to take some to wring them dry of data useful to add to
> OSM and then either keep the sheet personally or pass it on to their local
> studies group at their local library?.
> 
> OR DO I PUT THEM ALL IN THE CAR *NEXT SATURDAY *AND HAND THEM ALL OVER TO
> MEATH COUNTY COUNCIL Local studies section?
> 
> Please post your relies here whether or not you also wish to air the matter
> on facebook or Twitter?
> 
> Enquires also sought re maps of 22 other counties (excluding the special
> case of Dublin for the time being.)
> 
> Apologies if I sound frustrated but would rather not make a decision on my
> own. So please share your opinion now before it is too late.
> 
> Thank you
> 
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>> Out of Copyright OS map paper sheets for OSM use, see   Talk-ie Digest, Vol
>> 79, Issue 10
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>> Thanks to JMKIE and Dafo43 the OOC maps for Kildare and Wicklow have been
>> handed over or bespoken.
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>> Meath, Tipperary and Westmeath are the ones I am most interested in next
>> being invited to share but will be delighted to be asked about any other
>> counties.
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>> As these maps are a wonderful resource for us I look forward to hearing
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>> Brian
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>>>   1. Re: Uploaded all the remaining GSGS3906 sheets to mapwarper
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[OSM-talk-ie] bridges

[Caroline Lewis]

still at correcting a tile for cork co.  [which is taking so long as roads etc  
are v misaligned and streams missing ] but not sure how to add bridges 
correctly - i split at the two nodes that define the bridge , add bridge tag 
and then should i also tag as layer = 1?
hopefully will be able to map more cork townslands soon :)



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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Sheet Request

[Caroline Lewis]

thanks :)
 On 14 May 2015, at 22:49, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 14 May 2015 at 12:48, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Can i please request sheets
 5/3 N/E  and S/W
 
 
 Already uploaded:
 
 http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-05-03show_warped=0
 
 
 
 and all of 8/5
 
 
 Done
 
 http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-08-05show_warped=0
 
 D
 
 
 
 thanks
 caroline
 
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[OSM-talk-ie] Sheet Request

[Caroline Lewis]

Can i please request sheets
5/3 N/E  and S/W 
and all of 8/5
thanks
caroline

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] splitting ways/joining nodes

[Caroline Lewis]

Hi all,
 i read that you can only edit map on the sheet that is downloaded (part that  
does not have the hatched lines)  so wondered what to do when townland crosses 
over on to more than one sheet ?
thanks
c


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] splitting ways/joining nodes

[Caroline Lewis]

I fixed it 

 On 14 Apr 2015, at 12:41, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I am having trouble with a townland boundary - one section is coast and the 
 other is an adjacent downland boundary but i can’t get the ends to join up 
 where the coast section meets the t.boundary . it has ended up with two nodes 
 and i am not sure how to deal with this - i have looked on the wiki but am 
 still at a loss
 any help gratefully received
 thanks
 c


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[OSM-talk-ie] splitting ways/joining nodes

[Caroline Lewis]

Hi all
I am having trouble with a townland boundary - one section is coast and the 
other is an adjacent downland boundary but i can’t get the ends to join up 
where the coast section meets the t.boundary . it has ended up with two nodes 
and i am not sure how to deal with this - i have looked on the wiki but am 
still at a loss
any help gratefully received
thanks
c
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] splitting ways/joining nodes

[Caroline Lewis]

i suspect it could do with a good bit of checking ;)
how do i send a link?
ta
c
 On 14 Apr 2015, at 12:45, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Can you give us a link so we can check?
 
 D
 
 On 14 April 2015 at 11:43, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 I fixed it 
 
 On 14 Apr 2015, at 12:41, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net
 wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I am having trouble with a townland boundary - one section is coast and
 the other is an adjacent downland boundary but i can’t get the ends to join
 up where the coast section meets the t.boundary . it has ended up with two
 nodes and i am not sure how to deal with this - i have looked on the wiki
 but am still at a loss
 any help gratefully received
 thanks
 c
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] sheet 5/5 sw

[Caroline Lewis]

ok - thanks :)
 On 8 Mar 2015, at 21:12, Dave Foley daf...@outlook.ie wrote:
 
 I've added 3 control points which is enough to get you started but you will 
 need to have about 20 for it to align closely.
 
 On the 'Rectify' tab you need to add matching points and then make sure you 
 click on the 'Warp Image' button at the bottom when finished.
 
 When adding points I usually choose road junctions as they are the easiest to 
 match up.
 
 dafo
 
 From: carolinele...@eircom.net
 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 20:49:27 +
 To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] sheet 5/5 sw
 
 i
 On 8 Mar 2015, at 12:50, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Hi - i am trying to rectify sheet 5/5 sw but it is not showing up on 
 oocmaps so i guess it hasn’t been uploaded?
 I have cropped it though in map warper
 can anyone help ?  - it is mainly ocean!
 thanks
 c :)
 
 
 
 
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[OSM-talk-ie] sheet 5/5 sw

[Caroline Lewis]

i
 On 8 Mar 2015, at 12:50, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Hi - i am trying to rectify sheet 5/5 sw but it is not showing up on oocmaps 
 so i guess it hasn’t been uploaded?
 I have cropped it though in map warper
 can anyone help ?  - it is mainly ocean!
 thanks
 c :)
 
 


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] upload problem

[Caroline Lewis]

Hi donal
only managed to get back to computer now - yes issues is resolved - thanks very 
much to you and dave for help
I sync’d dataset and then ended up just accepting my changes as when i did both 
it left the nodes but they were not ‘linked' as a waterway.
it was a bit odd as waterway is not on a boundary but the river it joins 
crosses over - I hope i haven’t deleted anyones work….
is there a way to let people know that someone is editing a particular square 
so as not to duplicate work or run into version probs? 
anyhow i can upload changes again which i- i do upload often as i worry about 
losing work!
thanks again
c.


 On 25 Feb 2015, at 14:27, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Caroline did you resolve your issue?
 
 The conflict is is due to someone modifying and uploading an object while
 you were still editing.
 
 In the case of say a county or province relation, the other mapper may not
 be editing in your immediate vicinity.
 
 So you need to sync your dataset and then reconcile the differences ie do
 you keep your modifications, their modifications or both.
 
 In the case of a county relation normally you would keep both -  ie you
 both split a different way on different parts of the county.
 
 Have a look at https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Concepts/Conflict
 
 Without knowing the details of the conflict normally I would say accept
 both your and their changes into the relation and see what you end up with.
 
 The longer you leave it the harder it can be to resolve.
 
 If stuck, save your work-in-progress daatset  as a osm file and  pop into
 https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/osm-ie
 
 Someone might be able to give your realtime help or even get your osm file
 and try to resolve it for you.
 
 Uploading often, especially if you are editing along a county boundary
 helps avoid or minimize any conflict issues.
 
 D
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 24 February 2015 at 22:41, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Caroline,
 
 Thanks for the info.
 
 If you are using JOSM, sync the entire dataset.
 
 It will tell you done with errors or conflicts or something similar.
 
 You will then have the option to fix the individual conflicts by choosing
 to keep either the version you have or the server version.
 
 Once you choose for each conflict, click upload again to resolve all
 conflicts
 
 Let me know how you get on
 
 Dave
 On 24 Feb 2015 22:24, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 also just compared josm and map craft and josm is giving me 2 sheets 5 -5
 NE as well - i was editing NE sheet/section when i got the error
 
 On 24 Feb 2015, at 22:03, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Caroline,
 
 Can you give a bit more detail.
 
 What editor are you using? What square are you referring to? Is this
 something in the HOT Tasking Manager? What's your OSM username?
 
 These bits will dictate the answer to your issue
 
 Dave
 On 24 Feb 2015 21:59, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net
 wrote:
 
 Hi - i am editing a square and everything was going fine but today i
 get
 an error message saying that upload failed as server has a more recent
 version of a way, node or relation
 not sure what to do - should i synch entire dataset - i tried to synch
 just the way in question but it ended up producing an error and
 turned a
 waterway into a lot of single nodes which i have redone but now have
 the
 same problem
 and does this mean someone else is also editing this square?
 what should i do???
 thanks
 c
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] upload problem

[Caroline Lewis]

Hi
i am using josm
I am trying to find number of square in map warper but having trouble with that 
from mapcraft square is 5 - 5 - NW
its in west cork /kerry 
i think my osm user name is cl5
Not sure what the HOT tasking manager is!
thanks
c

I 
 On 24 Feb 2015, at 22:03, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Caroline,
 
 Can you give a bit more detail.
 
 What editor are you using? What square are you referring to? Is this
 something in the HOT Tasking Manager? What's your OSM username?
 
 These bits will dictate the answer to your issue
 
 Dave
 On 24 Feb 2015 21:59, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Hi - i am editing a square and everything was going fine but today i get
 an error message saying that upload failed as server has a more recent
 version of a way, node or relation
 not sure what to do - should i synch entire dataset - i tried to synch
 just the way in question but it ended up producing an error and turned a
 waterway into a lot of single nodes which i have redone but now have the
 same problem
 and does this mean someone else is also editing this square?
 what should i do???
 thanks
 c
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] upload problem

[Caroline Lewis]

sheets are 05 - 05 - SE and SW not NE / NW - seeing double at this stage!
IRL-GSGS-3906-05-05-SE-Ardgroom.tif
and
IRL-GSGS-3906-05-05-SW-Caherdaniel.tif 

 On 24 Feb 2015, at 22:23, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 also just compared josm and map craft and josm is giving me 2 sheets 5 -5 NE 
 as well - i was editing NE sheet/section when i got the error
 
 On 24 Feb 2015, at 22:03, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Caroline,
 
 Can you give a bit more detail.
 
 What editor are you using? What square are you referring to? Is this
 something in the HOT Tasking Manager? What's your OSM username?
 
 These bits will dictate the answer to your issue
 
 Dave
 On 24 Feb 2015 21:59, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Hi - i am editing a square and everything was going fine but today i get
 an error message saying that upload failed as server has a more recent
 version of a way, node or relation
 not sure what to do - should i synch entire dataset - i tried to synch
 just the way in question but it ended up producing an error and turned a
 waterway into a lot of single nodes which i have redone but now have the
 same problem
 and does this mean someone else is also editing this square?
 what should i do???
 thanks
 c
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] tags for highways

[Caroline Lewis]

Hi Dave
thanks for that - its very helpful
I love maps and don’t mind it being slow - its very interesting studying the 
areas is such detail!!!
I’ll make a note of your tag advice and follow it - i will have to go back and 
edit /delete  a few ;)
thanks again
c.
 On 3 Feb 2015, at 22:59, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Caroline,
 
 How I typically tag is as follows
 
 - housing estates - highway=residential
 - rural roads (lower than secondary) - highway=unclassified
 - driveway to a house - highway=service + service=driveway.
 - forestry roads with no exit - highway=service
 - forestry road with through access - highway=unclassified or higher
 - bog road's -  highway=service where the surface looks good from imagery
 after which I change to highway=track + tracktype=grade (1-5)
 
 Note, I rarely map driveways unless they are special in some way e.g.
 Driveway up to a stately Manor or something similar
 
 As for buildings, in the context of townland mapping, I'm only mapping
 significant buildings e.g. schools, chuches, GAA grounds, etc. Its a whole
 other project to map all the buildings
 
 It's worth keeping in mind, especially around Kerry that a lot of the
 mapping in that area has been done by tourists so their grading of our
 highways would be based on the roads where they are from. So for someone
 from say Germany, anything with grass growing up the middle of it is a
 track but we would map it as unclassified.
 
 And yes, its slow going but many hands make light work. As it can seem
 endless, it's a good idea to have a goal when you sit down to map.
 Sometimes I'll take my lunch break at my desk and aim to map a specific
 housing estate during that 30 mins. I often won't get it done but it gives
 me something to come back to the next day to finish off.
 
 Simply do what you can, when you can, and aim to keep your local area up to
 date. Anything else is a bonus
 
 Dave
 On 3 Feb 2015 22:26, Caroline Lewis carolinele...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Hi - i am correcting in josm and am confused by the highway tags - in cork
 highways leading to houses were all tagged as tracks but in the kerry
 section there are residential, service, unclassified  and tracks
 which tag should i use and when?
 also do i need to draw in buildings or should i just get highways/streams
 done?
 its v. slow work!!!
 thanks
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[OSM-talk-ie] tags for highways

[Caroline Lewis]

Hi - i am correcting in josm and am confused by the highway tags - in cork 
highways leading to houses were all tagged as tracks but in the kerry section 
there are residential, service, unclassified  and tracks 
which tag should i use and when?
also do i need to draw in buildings or should i just get highways/streams done?
its v. slow work!!!
thanks
c.





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[OSM-talk-ie] offset bing maps

[Caroline Lewis]

Hi - i am just checking to make sure that i should be aligning roads to bing 
sat. imagery.
I got a warning in josm about offset in bing and then read that we shouldn’t 
rely on imagery but should take gps tracks
is it ok to be an ‘armchair ‘ mapper and should i be using bing for correcting 
maps?
also how much time should i put into correcting pre-existing warnings which i 
am having trouble with?
thanks
c.




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