Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice

[Ken Guest]

I agree with all of this, josm, streetcomplete,  Vespucci etc.

speaking of which, what's the best way to quit out of Vespucci? there's got
to be something better than using the task manager to kill it !:-)

cheers

Ken

On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 11:13, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

>
>
>
> 18 Nov 2019, 22:42 by montg...@fuse.net:
>
> > What software would you recommend?  ArcGIS, QGIS, JOSM.  I could pick up
> > any.  I would appreciate your suggestions and links to any tutorials to
> > learn such software.
> >
> I recommend
> - iD for newbie friendly editing,
> - StreetComplete Android app for limited but very easy editing
> - JOSM for more advanced editing
> - Vespucci as a mobile version of JOSM on Android
>
> For Apple mobile devices there is GoMap!! that is described as working
> well.
>
> iD has a build-in tutorial, and more info at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ID
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM has some listed help and
> tutorials
>
> For StreetComplete see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete
> and
> and its quest list
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests
> Entire StreetComplete tutorial follows:
> It is intended to be used as one walks across some place,
> with quests appearing as markers on the map. Selecting marker
> allows one to answer a simple question.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!! and
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci describes other editors.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editors has listing of editors
>
> I would not recommend QGIS and ArcGis as OSM editors.
> I never used them for such purpose and I strongly suspect that
> programs intended solely as an OSM editor will be far better
> and more people can help in case of a trouble.
>
> > What about touch screens vs 2-in-1 computers?  Any preferences for those
> of
> > you in the field?
> >
> I strongly prefer editing on StreetComplete and Vespucci over making notes
> and
> editing at home.
>
> I still use JOSM for more complex edits, tracing aerial imagery. And iD
> for quick
> fixes based on what I remember and spotted to be wrong.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] What are your 'must map' features?

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my wife has a bad back - so I map speedbumps and general quality and
surface of the road (asphalt good, cobblestones & potholes bad).
we've dogs - so I map public bins, even down to whether they're
specifically for dog excrement.
oh and osmand has this nice feature where it displays a speed limit sign if
you're approaching a set threshold of the speed limit, so I add that too.

after that, it's whatever I spot that's not showing up on strava/osmand or
streetcomplete for the most part, and preferably nothing that requires me
to walk the exact curve of eg a footpath - for small little dogs our two
can pull hard enough to make gps tracks look like something off a
lie-detector test!

so to that end, missing buildings, opening hours (though I'm less bothered
about this than I had been - shops close and businesses change so much..),
various
amenities, whether a road is lit and so forth.

k.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 08:21, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Great idea for a topic Colm!
>
> For me it depends. For example, when I'm sitting at the desk and mapping in
> JOSM, then my aim is completeness of physical features, so mapping
> everything I see on the imagery, then switching on the old scanned maps to
> see if there's anything historical I can add, and finally to add any
> applicable wikidata references.
>
> When I'm out and about, its bike infrastructure. Bike parking, shops,
> lanes, etc.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:29 AM Seán Lynch 
> wrote:
>
> > Litter
> >
> > Very accessible D:
> >
> >
> >
> https://openlittermap.com/maps/Ireland/County%20Cork/Cork/map/10-09-19/13-09-19/10
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Failte Ireland map using OSM

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re  https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html there is
attribution - but you need to click on a stylised "Info" button to view it.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 15:28, Brian Hollinshead 
wrote:

> Please to see recently that the Failte Ireland Sligo and Mayo visitor map
> both used OSM data and attributed it to OSM.
>
> Also saw the European Commission website  PHOTOVOLTAIC GEOGRAPHICAL
> INFORMATION SYSTEM:  https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html
> appears to use OSM but I did not see any attribution.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Teaching location - Ballyhalbert, Co. Down

[Ken Guest]

also most places around Kilshanny in Co. Clare...

to be fair it's a "one church, one pub & one school" sized village

all the best,

Ken

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 23:21, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If anyone is looking for an unmapped location so they can teach OSM to
> people, then Ballyhalbert, Co. Down has very little mapping done.
>
> Colm
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Email privacy

[Ken Guest]

yes

You may have noticed before you signed up to this open mailing list
the link to prior postings to the mailing list that does not require a
login to view them.

"""This list provides a forum for discussion those parts of
openstreetmap that are relevant to Ireland. It is not a substitute for
the t...@openstreetmap.org mailing list, but should provide more
localised information for those mapping in Ireland.

To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Talk-ie
Archives."""


caveat emptor jugulum...


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> Hi,
>
>
> I note that this mailing list is put on the web here: 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2015-July/001272.html
>
>
> This includes email addresses in the format person at example.com
>
>
> Is this appropriate?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on Carlow maps

[Ken Guest]

This is fantastic work guys, well done.

On 10 August 2016 at 16:08, Brian Hollinshead  wrote:

> Carlow have had the attribution added and will be published in next day or
> two.
>
> I had asked if they had the text copyright free source for the Two
> Municipal Districts of Carlow and Bagnelstown. He has spoken with their GIS
> man and he has offered to send it to me in .shp format if we can import
> from that? He assure me they have themselves drawn it up from legislation
> and are keen to share it with us for us to include on our map.
>
> On 10 August 2016 at 08:41, Rory McCann  wrote:
>
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On 09/08/16 19:39, Brian Hollinshead wrote:
> > > Is there someone somewhere in OSM that I should copy this to?
> >
> > The Licensing Working Group deals with other people who have infringed
> > on the OSM licence.
> >
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group
> >
> > If you get no-where you can contact them at le...@osmfoundation.org
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*

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On 2 July 2015 at 11:29, Colm Moore colmmoor...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I've been tidying up a lot of these, using
 http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes.


 There are a handful of entries for First Trust and First Trust Bank
 which are **names**. The **operator** is AIB Group (UK) p.l.c.
 http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/


AIB Group (UK)  - are you sure about that there now Ted? :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo

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I agree. the osm_ie account is older and has a lot more
history/tweets/followers attached to it which is why I'd suggest keeping it
in use and ditching the _irl one.

On 2 July 2015 at 12:49, ke...@vool.ie ke...@vool.ie wrote:

 Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?

 https://twitter.com/osm_irl

 https://twitter.com/osm_ie

 .k

 On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:

 Hi all,

 So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
 moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been spoken
 about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
 little about.

 With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
 www.openstreetmap.ie  and its starting to come together nicely.

 Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a
 recent
 email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
 that a better logo is probably achievable.

 On that basis, using the recent JOSM  Hot logo competition parameters as
 a
 guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
 OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website and
 twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason it
 wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.

 On to the competition guidelines

 *Competition Rules*

 - The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual or
 team of people, even a design company
 - Entries must be in SVG format
 - Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com  as
 attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of Logo entry from XYZ
 - Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
 - Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork, although
 credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given
 when the
 winner is chosen)
 - Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
 encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than five.
 - The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
 during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
 - The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
 - Have fun!

 *Design Brief*

 *Conceptual Suggestions*

 - Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer
 clear
 of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
 - The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
 don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal
 design
 might look awesome but then something super simple might look just as
 good
 so don't dismiss anything
 - You may find inspiration among other community designs at
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
 or the
 JOSM competition enterieshttps://
 josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest


 *Where will the logo be used?*

 - The twitter account
 - We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
 - Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation slides
 etc.
 - It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small
 stickers
 ('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
 - Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap in
 Ireland.

 *Design requirements*

 - *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you
 do
 not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
 - *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to
 your
 design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland,
 granting
 them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the
 work.
 Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some
 point
 need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any
 awkward
 legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will be
 credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
 blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and
 certainly
 don't want to require it for downstream uses.
 - *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square area.
 This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers.
 The logo
 itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK occupying a
 square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards
 (e.g.
 to the right of the logo, to form a horizontal strip for the top of
 the
 openstreetmap.ie homepage)

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads

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On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 6:09 PM, da fo43 daf...@outlook.com wrote:

 Thanks for the replies so far, anyone else want to gibe an opinion? To
 address some of the points:
 snip

  Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:36:42 +
  From: Ken Guest kgu...@php.net
 ...
  Changing the tagging of roads based on an arbitrary reason such as an
  assigned L ref value where we presume there is a consistent scheme
 applied
  to it is mindless. Not all [county] councils assigned values based on the
  quality of the road, I know of at least one where the assigned value is
  based on the electoral division that the road is in.

 Would you agree that L1000-4999 are called local primary and L5000-
 are called local secondary by all county councils?


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM, da fo43 daf...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hello All, First
  time posting on the mailing list but I've spoken individually to a
 number of you already. There can't be too many roads still to map in
 Ireland now so I guess the next step would be to improve the quality by
 filling in road numbers, names, etc. So I'm going to propose a few
 standards and see what people think. 1.   Map L roads 1000 to 4999
 (Local Primary) as 'Tertiary' and all other public roads as 'Unclassified'
 or 'Residential'.


Changing the tagging of roads based on an arbitrary reason such as an
assigned L ref value where we presume there is a consistent scheme applied
to it is mindless. Not all [county] councils assigned values based on the
quality of the road, I know of at least one where the assigned value is
based on the electoral division that the road is in.

Changing the tagging of anything based on the self-perceived notion that
you know better where in actual fact you might not, is little more than
mindless vandalism. Good intentions or not. This is why I hope you are
looking for advice first, here and now, before you change anything based on
your gut feel.


  I know people have a lot of differing views on this and will admit that
  some local primary roads seem to have less importance than Local
 Secondary and Local Tertiary roads but really I think it's better to go
 with what is designated rather than making judgement calls. On some
 parts of the map all roads are being set to 'Tertiary' so really I don't
  think the current system works. All other roads are mapped as per
 designation so I personally don't see why this should be any different.



Tag a road as how it is - if a road is primarily residential then tag it as
residential. If a road, no matter what the classification is according to
how you interpret an L-ref number, is only good enough for being
unclassified rather than, say tertiary, then tag it as that. If some
remnant of the old N7 is now little more than a cul-de-sac with a few
houses on it, tag it as such, not highway=primary :-)

Take a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway to see what I
mean, and remember:

  If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smell's like a duck
then it's a duck.



  2.   Labeling roads L1000- with spaces.
  I see on some parts of the map that roads are being labelled with a
 space 'L 1234' instead of 'L1234'. I would be in favour of sticking to
 one standard, and going with the majority in not using a space.


Not having spaces is good, but please don't readjust the formatting
otherwise! Read on...


  3.   Labeling roads over L.
  I propose the labeling roads listed as L12341 as L1234-1 as
 this makes it easier to read and work out which branch of
 primary/secondary road it belongs to. I guess this might not suit
 everyone.


Ground Truth requires that you map it as you see it, not as how you wish
you saw it.
Please don't remove hyphens from where you think they don't belong and add
them to where you want them. There are enough standards without making up
more - or I suppose you could say people get confused easily enough without
adding reformatting into the mix.



 4.   Non public roads to be displayed as 'Service' or 'Track' only.
  It's not always obvious if some roads are private (especially some
 housing estates) but where it is known for certain they are private then
  I would be in favour of using a 'service' road rather than
 'residential' or 'unclassified'.



If the main use of a road is residential (e.g. down a cul-de-sac or in a
housing estate), then tag it as residential. Tracks are roads for
agricultural or forestry use. Private residential roads should be tagged
highway=residential;access=private not as highway=service which means
something completely different (and used to tag things such as alleys,
parking aisles and the likes).

Remember my duck sentence? :-)


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mapping of farmland

[Ken Guest]

Fair enough. I must've misinterpreted Does this data really belong in OSM?
 Fair enough the fields but the names?  :)

Ken


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Webmaster webmas...@killyfole.org.ukwrote:

 I don’t have an issue with it at all!  The original poster asked why the
 sudden interest in mapping farmland.  In which I was curious about finding
 out as well.  We have now established the reason.

 I asked about the general feeling within the Irish OSM community (people
 subscribed to this list) on giving field's a name.  It does not bother me
 either way.  We are getting field boundary data and those users are getting
 experience mapping, therefore can only be a good thing.  I do however
 support the use of another tag (as suggested by Tom) to record the names,
 but that's just personal feeling on the matter, I wont be losing any sleep
 over it!





 On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:52:34 -, Ken Guest kgu...@php.net wrote:

  I've added one or two names to fields myself and I don't see what the
 issue
 is that our chap in Killyfoyle has with field names being added.
 There are those of us that add reference numbers of streetlamps and post
 boxes to OSM, this isn't much different and with the general attitude of
 tag everything, we'll migrate it if a more specific repository for this
 info comes along this is surely not an issue.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Wicklow town street names added

[Ken Guest]

Sounds like great work Dan!

Ken


On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Daniel Cussen d...@post.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I added all the street names in Wicklow town, and most of Rathnew
 using lots of local knowledge and a quick spin in the car. It's now
 more accurate than google maps and garmin.

 Thanks to whoever overlayed the roads in the past, It helped a lot.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Dublin Bus RTPI Site using OSM

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If you're going blind as regards attribution on that site - then so am I.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Richard Cantwell
manaboutco...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 You might have seen this site built as part of the RTPI (Real Time
 Passenger Information) project which Dublin Bus are rolling out:
 http://rtpi.ie/

 The first thing I noticed is that is using OSM as a backdrop, which is
 great.  Looking a bit deeper I note that they're overlaying their Bus
 Stop locations onto the map.  Many of these bus stops don't exist in
 the underlying OSM data.  Might there be a case here that we should
 give whoever built the site a friendly nudge asking them to Share
 Alike that data?  I also note that there doesn't seem to be any
 attribution present, but I could be going blind in my old age.

 Regards,

 Richard

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] [OSM-talk] Path to Health/Slí na Sláinte routes

[Ken Guest]

thanks Ture - I'll have a look so I can check I'm not entering them wrong
;-)

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Ture Pålsson t...@lysator.liu.se wrote:

 2009/7/12 Ken Guest k...@linux.ie:
  [ ... ]
  So anyway...my questions are:
  1//how should these be tagged in OSM
  2//Has anyone already started tagging these?

 FWIW, these routes seem to have gone on holiday to Sweden, where they
 are called Hälsans stig, and some of them are tagged in the database
 (I just typed hälsans stig in the name finder and three turned up --
 none of them where I live; seems there's work for me... :-) ). I have
 no idea whether they are a good example to follow, but at least it is
 prior art...

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