Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Administrative Boundary -v- Boundary

[wambacher]

Hi Colm,


I tidied up the boundary of Cruiserath townland in 
Dublinhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5409087#map=15/53.4170/-6.3773  if 
someone could check it. I'm not happy that I got it all correct.
which relation(s) are you talking about? please give us 
https://openstreemap.org/relation/XXX where xxx is the  relation id of 
the boundary.

Looking at some of the adjacent townlands, especially those to the south, some 
seem to have an 'Administrative Boundary' while others have a 'Boundary'. I'm 
not sure what the difference is. I think they definitely need a look.

a list of some examples would be fine.

Regards

Walter, Germany

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

[wambacher]

ok, i see - and thanks to Boggedy.

regards

walter

Am 24.02.19 um 19:23 schrieb Cormac O Murchú:
> No I meant that Boggedy agrees with you completely.  It is only correct way
> to do it. :)
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

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In other words, i should talk to him?

ok, let's see.

Am 24.02.19 um 18:11 schrieb Cormac O Murchú:
> I think you will find that Boggedy created almost all the boundary=historic
> entities you have found in Ireland. 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

[wambacher]

Hi,

to help you to find a solution - list of all "boundary" -tags in Ireland

  boundary  | count
+---
 administrative | 54964
 civil_parish   |  2183
 barony |   264
 political  |   263
 historic   |   159
 registrars_district    |   138
 rc_parish  |   129
 historic_parish    |   127
 anglican_parish    |    76
 anglican_parish_union  |    57
 historic_administrative    |    41
 poor_law_union |    37
 vice_county    |    32
 protected_area |    28
 superintendent_registrars_district |    23
 postal_district    |    22
 place  |    16
 petty_sessions_district    |    12
 anglican_diocese   | 7
 gaeltacht  | 4
 historical_political   | 4
 esb_re_rural_area  | 3
 national_park  | 3
 police_district    | 3
 civil_parish (part)    | 2
 cofi_parish    | 1
 historic_adminstrative | 1
 historic_political | 1
 landuse    | 1
 lordship   | 1
 maritime   | 1
 petty-sessions | 1
 political_divison  | 1
 region | 1

boundy=historic is used 159 times in ireland - would like to see some more.

Regards

walter

Am 20.02.19 um 10:10 schrieb Donal Hunt:
> The proposal makes sense (Ireland has reviewed and adjusted a number of
> boundaries in the past 12 months).
>
> Should the approach be codified in the wiki so there are clear expectations
> on how to represent these changes over time? Adjustments are rare but will
> probably happen every 10-20 years going forward as more people migrate from
> rural areas to cities / towns.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

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Sorry, list was unreadable:||

| IRL | 5857133 | Athy Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
8449476 | Athy Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
5857135 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL
| 8448661 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8448101 | Clane-Maynooth Municipal District (2019) | 8 |
8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857136 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District | 8
| 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449477 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District
(2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857137 | Maynooth Municipal District
| 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857138 | Naas Municipal District | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449475 | Naas Municipal District (2019) | 8 | | 8* |
{2,4,8,8} Walter|

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[OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

[wambacher]

Hi,

I am currently testing my *OSM Path Analyzer*, which is supposed to
recognize redundant admin boundaries among other things.

It checks if there are several border relations with the same structure.
These are usually double admin relations with the same tags and often
the same members.

In Ireland it found the following bugs:

|IRL | 5857133 | Athy Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
8449476 | Athy Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
5857135 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL
| 8448661 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8448101 | Clane-Maynooth Municipal District (2019) | 8 |
8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857136 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District | 8
| 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449477 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District
(2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857137 | Maynooth Municipal District
| 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857138 | Naas Municipal District | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449475 | Naas Municipal District (2019) ||| 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8}|

obviously these are changes at the turn of the year.

My suggestion: set the "old" rels to /boundary=historic/ and
additionally add /end_date=2018_12_31/.

Or delete them.

Regards
walter, germany

ps: there are more bugs on higher admin levels but that has to wait.

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