[OSM-talk-ie] North Dock Area of Dublin

[Cormac O Murchú]

There is a severe weakness in Nominatim (partly our fault and partly its
fault)

 

Nominatim scrupulously Nests Admin Units. 

 

Rev Geocoding 1 Dock Street will return. 

 

1 Dock Street (addr)

North Dock A ED ( admin level 9)

EG  North City Municipal District EG (Admin Level 8)

Dublin (Admin Level 7)

Co Dublin (Admin Level 6)

Leinster (Admin Level 5)

 

So it is important to IGNORE a lot of admin levels outta nominatim for it to
make sense. The ED is irrelevant to routing and addressing as Postcodes took
over as pseudo EDs in the 1960s for that purpose.  

 

We need to remove the provincial and traditional county ADMIN levels and
only have admin levels 7-10 to make better administrative sense. We then
need to ignore less of them ….but still ignore some. 

 

Nor should Electoral Divisions up north have an admin level  they should be
boundary=historic as they were replaced by analogous ( albeit gerrymandered)
wards in the 1920s and these are the admin level 9 entities up there.
Arguably the provinces are even more historic….I think they were abolished
as admin units of any sort by the 1100s :)

 

 

 

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] North Dock area of Dublin

[Alan Bell]

> what would you consider the modern 'North Dock' to be?
have to admit I am not a local, I just admin a system that sends delivery
vehicles there. My best guess is that it is the superset of the three
electoral districts, but I will see if I can ask the opinion of the drivers.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] North Dock area of Dublin

[Donal Diamond]

North Dock A ED  etc are modern Electoral Districts (ED) which have
formally defined boundaries.

While historically there was a DED (old name for EDs) called 'North Dock',
what would you consider the modern 'North Dock' to be?

If it's another of those vague areas in Dublin like Dublin suburbs with no
defined boundaries, the area you're in depends on whether you ask a snob or
an estate agent.

If its a vague area I wouldn't use an admin area but rather a polygon with
place=suburb  and using the external ways of the North Dock A/B/C EDS.

place=suburb  "A part of a town or city with a well-known name and often a
distinct identity"



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On 7 December 2016 at 12:31, Alan Bell  wrote:

> Hi, I am having trouble with nominatim geocoding addresses in the North
> Dock area of Dublin
> I think this is because the administrative area is divided into "North
> Dock A ED", B ED and C ED in the following relations
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4283341
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4275228
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4275227
>
> so, when searching for an address such as "Liffey Trust Centre, Sheriff
> Street Upper, North Dock, Dublin" nothing is found but looking for "Liffey
> Trust Centre, Sheriff Street Upper, North Dock B ED, Dublin" works just
> fine. Would it be possible/desirable to put a "North Dock" administrative
> area as the superset of A B and C? or is there some other approach that
> would make geocoding better for people who don't know the address (don't
> think the A/B/C bit is in day to day use)
>
> Alan
>
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