Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-24 Thread wambacher 
ok, i see - and thanks to Boggedy.

regards

walter

Am 24.02.19 um 19:23 schrieb Cormac O Murchú:
> No I meant that Boggedy agrees with you completely.  It is only correct way
> to do it. :)
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[OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-24 Thread Cormac O Murchú 
No I meant that Boggedy agrees with you completely.  It is only correct way
to do it. :)

 

The only boundaries that change periodically here are electoral ones and
those admin_level=8 entities. 5 year intervals after  a census. 

 

The remainder (levels 9 and 10)  are largely frozen and the admin_level=5
and 6  boundaries don’t actually exist, they are a historic conceit with a
misapplied admin_level that we never got around to sorting out. Level 7 very
rarely changes although there is a level 7 9 and 10 change in Cork this year
but we do not have a definitive boundary  issued yet.  

 

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-24 Thread wambacher 
In other words, i should talk to him?

ok, let's see.

Am 24.02.19 um 18:11 schrieb Cormac O Murchú:
> I think you will find that Boggedy created almost all the boundary=historic
> entities you have found in Ireland. 
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[OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-24 Thread Cormac O Murchú 
I think you will find that Boggedy created almost all the boundary=historic
entities you have found in Ireland. 

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-21 Thread wambacher 
Hi,

to help you to find a solution - list of all "boundary" -tags in Ireland

  boundary  | count
+---
 administrative | 54964
 civil_parish   |  2183
 barony |   264
 political  |   263
 historic   |   159
 registrars_district    |   138
 rc_parish  |   129
 historic_parish    |   127
 anglican_parish    |    76
 anglican_parish_union  |    57
 historic_administrative    |    41
 poor_law_union |    37
 vice_county    |    32
 protected_area |    28
 superintendent_registrars_district |    23
 postal_district    |    22
 place  |    16
 petty_sessions_district    |    12
 anglican_diocese   | 7
 gaeltacht  | 4
 historical_political   | 4
 esb_re_rural_area  | 3
 national_park  | 3
 police_district    | 3
 civil_parish (part)    | 2
 cofi_parish    | 1
 historic_adminstrative | 1
 historic_political | 1
 landuse    | 1
 lordship   | 1
 maritime   | 1
 petty-sessions | 1
 political_divison  | 1
 region | 1

boundy=historic is used 159 times in ireland - would like to see some more.

Regards

walter

Am 20.02.19 um 10:10 schrieb Donal Hunt:
> The proposal makes sense (Ireland has reviewed and adjusted a number of
> boundaries in the past 12 months).
>
> Should the approach be codified in the wiki so there are clear expectations
> on how to represent these changes over time? Adjustments are rare but will
> probably happen every 10-20 years going forward as more people migrate from
> rural areas to cities / towns.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-20 Thread Donal Hunt 
The proposal makes sense (Ireland has reviewed and adjusted a number of
boundaries in the past 12 months).

Should the approach be codified in the wiki so there are clear expectations
on how to represent these changes over time? Adjustments are rare but will
probably happen every 10-20 years going forward as more people migrate from
rural areas to cities / towns.

Donal

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, 11:16 ,  wrote:

> Sorry, list was unreadable:||
>
> | IRL | 5857133 | Athy Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
> 8449476 | Athy Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
> 5857135 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL
> | 8448661 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* |
> {2,6,8,8} IRL | 8448101 | Clane-Maynooth Municipal District (2019) | 8 |
> 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857136 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District | 8
> | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449477 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District
> (2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857137 | Maynooth Municipal District
> | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857138 | Naas Municipal District | 8 | 8* |
> {2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449475 | Naas Municipal District (2019) | 8 | | 8* |
> {2,4,8,8} Walter|
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-19 Thread wambacher 
Sorry, list was unreadable:||

| IRL | 5857133 | Athy Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
8449476 | Athy Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
5857135 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL
| 8448661 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8448101 | Clane-Maynooth Municipal District (2019) | 8 |
8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857136 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District | 8
| 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449477 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District
(2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857137 | Maynooth Municipal District
| 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857138 | Naas Municipal District | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449475 | Naas Municipal District (2019) | 8 | | 8* |
{2,4,8,8} Walter|

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[OSM-talk-ie] Redundant admin boundaries in Ireland

2019-02-19 Thread wambacher 
Hi,

I am currently testing my *OSM Path Analyzer*, which is supposed to
recognize redundant admin boundaries among other things.

It checks if there are several border relations with the same structure.
These are usually double admin relations with the same tags and often
the same members.

In Ireland it found the following bugs:

|IRL | 5857133 | Athy Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
8449476 | Athy Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL |
5857135 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL
| 8448661 | Celbridge-Leixlip Municipal District (2019) | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8448101 | Clane-Maynooth Municipal District (2019) | 8 |
8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857136 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District | 8
| 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449477 | Kildare-Newbridge Municipal District
(2019) | 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857137 | Maynooth Municipal District
| 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8} IRL | 5857138 | Naas Municipal District | 8 | 8* |
{2,6,8,8} IRL | 8449475 | Naas Municipal District (2019) ||| 8 | 8* | {2,6,8,8}|

obviously these are changes at the turn of the year.

My suggestion: set the "old" rels to /boundary=historic/ and
additionally add /end_date=2018_12_31/.

Or delete them.

Regards
walter, germany

ps: there are more bugs on higher admin levels but that has to wait.

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