[Talk-in] SVG map of India

[Anush Shetty]

Hi All,

Where can I find a SVG map of India?

Wikipedia didn't help.
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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[Sutripta]

Hi,
No doubt it needs to be made consistent. But what that 'consistent' format
is should be given careful thought, and debated. Because it is going to be
there with us for a long time. Let us not jump into its implementation.

Whats happened to GoI's place name gazeteer? We need to regularize our
spellings also.

Regards
Sutripta

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From: "Arun Ganesh" 
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Sent: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012 18:39
Subject: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags


> I have been trying to render maps from the osm data and the multilingual
> place names in the [name] tags has been an issue. There are all sorts of
> formats: [], [ ], [ ], [
> ()], [ ()], [].
>
> I feel for the sake of consistency, only the latin name be entered into
the
> [name] tag, and the local language one in the [name:hi] or similar tag
with
> the two letter language code. Otherwise the inconsistent name tags is just
> going to make processing the data cumbersome. I'm going to move the local
> names into the name: subtags, let me know if anyone has an issue with
that.
> No data is going to be lost, only that the default osm tiles will only
show
> the latin names. But then again its time we set up india tile servers for
> indian languages so that localization can be carried out in a more
> consistent manner.
> cheers,
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

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What about motorway junctions and other name tags? 


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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[H.S.Rai]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> No data is going to be lost, only that the default osm tiles will only show
> the latin names. But then again its time we set up india tile servers for
> indian languages so that localization can be carried out in a more
> consistent manner.

It should be done. Thank you for taking lead.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Highway_and_Railway_Map_of_India_OSM.png
shows empty boxes at most of places in state of Punjab, because of
same issue.

I also suggest make railway and road map different, as at most places
these are very near to each other, so not distinguished on common map.

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Re: [Talk-in] Highway and Railway map of India

[H.S.Rai]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Arun Ganesh  wrote:
> One of the first milestones for osm data in India that i had wanted to see
> was 100% of the national highway and indian railway network to be mapped. I
> think we are almost there :)
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Highway_and_Railway_Map_of_India_OSM.png

That's excellent.

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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[Ishan Chattopadhyaya]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Emilie Laffray 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> most people have been using the following convention:
>>
>> [name] => Native language
>> [name:en] => Latin character
>> [name:hi] => Local name
>>
>> Nominatim is capable of searching a name whatever the namespace is. Also,
>> the Japanese have been also using tags like [name:jp_romaji] for latin
>> transcript.
>> I believe that the map should be usable for the people who are living in
>> the area not for the "tourists".
>
>
> Such a name localization effort using the default mapnik tiles as
> reference is only going to result in ALL name tags having both english and
> indic names (dont forget that a good proportion of Indians are literate in
> english). People want to 'see' their hometowns in the local script, and
> adding it to the [name] tag is the only option because the osm tiles
> renders only that.
>
> If we had indic tiles that rendered from name:hi tags we would not have
> this problem because those interested in hindi would use the hindi tiles
> and the hindi tags. Now there is just duplication of data in name and
> name:hi
>
> I'm afraid I might have been the first one to start this trend 4 years
> back when i entered the tamil and english names for chennai just to see if
> mapnik was able to render it. In a month, i saw kannada, then hindi names
> turned up all over the north, and then bengali in the east. And because
> each label is so long, a lot of other place labels get hidden  :/
>
> Ah, alas the penal code isn't strong enough to punish you for this heinous
crime against humanity.. heheh ;-)


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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[Arun Ganesh]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Emilie Laffray wrote:

> Hello,
>
> most people have been using the following convention:
>
> [name] => Native language
> [name:en] => Latin character
> [name:hi] => Local name
>
> Nominatim is capable of searching a name whatever the namespace is. Also,
> the Japanese have been also using tags like [name:jp_romaji] for latin
> transcript.
> I believe that the map should be usable for the people who are living in
> the area not for the "tourists".


Such a name localization effort using the default mapnik tiles as reference
is only going to result in ALL name tags having both english and indic
names (dont forget that a good proportion of Indians are literate in
english). People want to 'see' their hometowns in the local script, and
adding it to the [name] tag is the only option because the osm tiles
renders only that.

If we had indic tiles that rendered from name:hi tags we would not have
this problem because those interested in hindi would use the hindi tiles
and the hindi tags. Now there is just duplication of data in name and
name:hi

I'm afraid I might have been the first one to start this trend 4 years back
when i entered the tamil and english names for chennai just to see if
mapnik was able to render it. In a month, i saw kannada, then hindi names
turned up all over the north, and then bengali in the east. And because
each label is so long, a lot of other place labels get hidden  :/


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[Talk-in] Highway and Railway map of India

[Arun Ganesh]

One of the first milestones for osm data in India that i had wanted to see
was 100% of the national highway and indian railway network to be mapped. I
think we are almost there :)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Highway_and_Railway_Map_of_India_OSM.png

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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[Sajjad Anwar]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote:

> I have been trying to render maps from the osm data and the multilingual
> place names in the [name] tags has been an issue. There are all sorts of
> formats: [], [ ], [ ], [
> ()], [ ()], [].
>
> Yes, I also bumped into these issues.


> I feel for the sake of consistency, only the latin name be entered into
> the [name] tag, and the local language one in the [name:hi] or similar tag
> with the two letter language code. Otherwise the inconsistent name tags is
> just going to make processing the data cumbersome. I'm going to move the
> local names into the name: subtags, let me know if anyone has an issue with
> that. No data is going to be lost, only that the default osm tiles will
> only show the latin names. But then again its time we set up india tile
> servers for indian languages so that localization can be carried out in a
> more consistent manner.
> cheers,
>

Let's do this.


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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[Emilie Laffray]

Hello,

most people have been using the following convention:

[name] => Native language
[name:en] => Latin character
[name:hi] => Local name

Nominatim is capable of searching a name whatever the namespace is. Also,
the Japanese have been also using tags like [name:jp_romaji] for latin
transcript.
I believe that the map should be usable for the people who are living in
the area not for the "tourists".

Emilie Laffray

On 18 January 2012 13:09, Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> I have been trying to render maps from the osm data and the multilingual
> place names in the [name] tags has been an issue. There are all sorts of
> formats: [], [ ], [ ], [
> ()], [ ()], [].
>
> I feel for the sake of consistency, only the latin name be entered into
> the [name] tag, and the local language one in the [name:hi] or similar tag
> with the two letter language code. Otherwise the inconsistent name tags is
> just going to make processing the data cumbersome. I'm going to move the
> local names into the name: subtags, let me know if anyone has an issue with
> that. No data is going to be lost, only that the default osm tiles will
> only show the latin names. But then again its time we set up india tile
> servers for indian languages so that localization can be carried out in a
> more consistent manner.
> cheers,
>
> --
> j.mp/ArunGanesh 
>
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Re: [Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[Ishan Chattopadhyaya]

+1
Even I observed it in a few places. I support this. :-)

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote:

> I have been trying to render maps from the osm data and the multilingual
> place names in the [name] tags has been an issue. There are all sorts of
> formats: [], [ ], [ ], [
> ()], [ ()], [].
>
> I feel for the sake of consistency, only the latin name be entered into
> the [name] tag, and the local language one in the [name:hi] or similar tag
> with the two letter language code. Otherwise the inconsistent name tags is
> just going to make processing the data cumbersome. I'm going to move the
> local names into the name: subtags, let me know if anyone has an issue with
> that. No data is going to be lost, only that the default osm tiles will
> only show the latin names. But then again its time we set up india tile
> servers for indian languages so that localization can be carried out in a
> more consistent manner.
> cheers,
>
> --
> j.mp/ArunGanesh 
>
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[Talk-in] Indic place names in [name] tags

[Arun Ganesh]

I have been trying to render maps from the osm data and the multilingual
place names in the [name] tags has been an issue. There are all sorts of
formats: [], [ ], [ ], [
()], [ ()], [].

I feel for the sake of consistency, only the latin name be entered into the
[name] tag, and the local language one in the [name:hi] or similar tag with
the two letter language code. Otherwise the inconsistent name tags is just
going to make processing the data cumbersome. I'm going to move the local
names into the name: subtags, let me know if anyone has an issue with that.
No data is going to be lost, only that the default osm tiles will only show
the latin names. But then again its time we set up india tile servers for
indian languages so that localization can be carried out in a more
consistent manner.
cheers,

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