[OSM-talk] CommonMap association is now proceeding to incorporation
Hi, I just wanted to let everybody know that the CommonMap association is now authorised to incorporate. We have 8 members in total. Both special resolutions on http://commonmap.info/w/index.php/Association/Incorporation/Agenda were carried. According to http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au/incorporating-an-association.htm we now proceed to lodge Association Incorporation Form 1. More details to come but we'll probably post them on http://commonmap.info/ Thanks, Brendan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] CommonMap association is now proceeding to incorporation
Hi, I just wanted to let everybody know that the CommonMap association is now authorised to incorporate. We have 8 members in total. Both special resolutions on http://commonmap.info/w/index.php/Association/Incorporation/Agenda were carried. According to http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au/incorporating-an-association.htm we now proceed to lodge Association Incorporation Form 1. More details to come but we'll probably post them on http://commonmap.info/ Thanks, Brendan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Haitian Earthquake Emphasizes Danger of a Split Geo Community
Hi everyone, As I work to bring CommonMap to fruition I'm heartened that I'm not the only one that wants to see it happen. If you're handy to Brisbane tonight then come join the CommonMap association as part of the Samford Mapping Party (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Samford_Mapping_Party_January_2010) and vote to see it incorporated (http://commonmap.info/w/index.php/Association/Incorporation/Agenda). With reference to the blog post below, I'm just putting it out there that CommonMap is designed to be a place where that conflation happens. With your help perhaps we can be ready for the next time the world needs it. Thanks, Brendan http://geosquan.blogspot.com/2010/01/haitian-earthquake-emphasizes-danger-of.html: But OSM and MapMaker aren't talking and I think it is a big problem - if you want to help rescue efforts in Haiti where do you go to digitize? OSM? MapMaker? As it stands right now, even though the MapMaker data is free for non-profit use, projects like OSM can't use the data because there are commercial uses for OSM and the data belongs to Google, not OSM. The data is similar, but different, and needs to be conflated. Where that conflation happens, how it happens, I don't know - but I do know that we need to do something to fix this split before it gets people hurt. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[OSM-talk] CommonMap, announcement - Incorporation Vote 16 January
Hello everyone, If you are a Queenslander and want to see the CommonMap objectives[1] brought to life, please attend an initiation meeting at 7pm on Saturday 16th January at the Samford Valley Hotel. This event will be held in conjunction with the OpenStreetMap Samford Mapping Party[2]. However, be clear they are separate activities - you can still have dinner as an OSMmer and not worry about somehow becoming a CommonMap member without your permission. Potential attendees should make themselves familiar with the incorporation process[3] as well as the proposed agenda[4] and proposed association rules[5]. Please let me know (preferably without including osm-talk or talk-au] if you want to attend. Thanks, Brendan Morley 1. http://commonmap.info/w/index.php/Association_Objects 2. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Samford_Mapping_Party_January_2010 3. http://commonmap.info/w/index.php/Association/Incorporation 4. http://commonmap.info/w/index.php/Association/Incorporation/Agenda 5. http://commonmap.info/w/index.php/Association/Incorporation/Rules ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?
Disclaimer: IANAL and the following is in the Australian context. Quoting Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: But...where do you get the street name from? The street sign on-site. You could argue you have copyright exemption through: Buildings and models of buildings http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca1968133/s66.html I think there's a general policy that you can't copy it off other maps...but why, exactly? Because in Australia, at least, it is ambiguous if sweat of the brow copyright is legitimate. Think the DTMS and IceTV cases (reproduction of telephone directories and TV schedules, respectively). How can a piece of information like the name of the street be copyright? Well somebody had to creatively apply a name to a road, usually in the development application and/or the survey plan. Whose copyright law are we dealing with, anyway? Probably some combination of the developer (or his development company), or the local government authority that registers the development applications, or the state government that registers the survey plans. It all depends on what body the copyright what assigned to as part of the contract for DA or SP registration. One of these days I'll have to do that research... Brendan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?
Quoting Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, Richard Weait wrote: Or as the JOSM message page says, Don't copy from other maps We don't copy from other maps. Fine. If I am in a foreign place and I ask a local what the name of the road is, and he draws out his A-Z (saying: I've been living here for decades and still cannot remember!) then proceeds to give me the name... have I copied from the A-Z? Only if you then pass it on. Brendan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?
Quoting Anthony o...@inbox.org: What would Wikinews be like if they had a rule which said don't copy from other news articles, Well that's different: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca1968133/s103b.html --- COPYRIGHT ACT 1968 - SECT 103B Fair dealing for purpose of reporting news (1) A fair dealing with an audio#8209;visual item does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the item or in any work or other audio#8209;visual item included in the item if: (a) it is for the purpose of, or is associated with, the reporting of news in a newspaper, magazine or similar periodical and a sufficient acknowledgement of the first#8209;mentioned audio#8209;visual item is made; or (b) it is for the purpose of, or is associated with, the reporting of news by means of a communication or in a cinematograph film. --- You have to be able to copy facts from time to time. Well, there's nothing more factual than the signage on-site. I assume this is what you meant by what you have to? And that means you have to use your own judgment as to what constitutes a copyright infringement and what constitutes legitimate research. The OpenStreetMap policy is fairly clearly expressed, however. I take it to mean that OSM do not want to deal with cases where contributors' own judgments are faulty. And the other problem is, it's not the contributors' own *judgments* that matter, anyway. Brendan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] CommonMap, announcement - geodata repository without Share-Alike.
Hello OpenStreetMappers, I acknowledge that the OSM leadership is serious about baking in the ShareAlike requirement into the allowed usage of OSM data. I also acknowledge that there is a significant proportion of contributors that are happy for their works to be used more broadly. If you consider yourself in that category, I invite you to explore the CommonMap initiative I have just established at http://commonmap.info/ - where I have placed statements of intent. I'm also hoping to create a rallying point for like-minded souls around the world, and move from a we should do this to let's do it. The biggest challenge I have at the moment is finding a web hosting company and securing just-enough cashflow. If you can link me up with these services then please contact me privately. My intent is operate similarly to OSM but to allow an environment for the broadest legal *usage* of contributed data to occur. I think there is room in the open data movement for both initiatives to be of value. I hope the OSM leadership concurs. I trust the osm-talk custodian is comfortable with us exploring the development of CommonMap using the OSM listserver. Perhaps a separate list can be established? Thanks, Brendan Morley. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing
The first exit (west on Ginninderra Drive) isn't being counted as an exit because that exit point is also my entry point. Well, I would rather represent geometrical reality than play tricks for routers. Take a comparative example: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-28.0917,153.3945z=19t=k http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-28.0917lon=153.3945zoom=18layers=B000FTT You can see that to get from S to W, W to N and N to E it's a graceful sweep left, more or less tangential to the roundabout. Whereas from W to S, there's the left bend into the roundabout, a bit of right bend in the roundabout, before turning left again out of the roundabout. In the first case I have edited the entry, exit and roundabout as meeting at exactly one node. IMHO this represents reality and if the router can't handle it then the router should be upgraded to suit (or its OSM-to-router-format script suitably upgraded). We shouldn't be mapping for the router to the extent it disagrees with reality, should we? Brendan Quoting Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com: Heh. My sister-in-law lives near here. The directions on my eTrext Legend did confuse me a little at that intersection. I assumed the intersection hadn't been drawn quite right, but I never got around to going back and fixing it. - Ben. 2009/12/17 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com Here's an example: http://www.osm.org/?lat=-35.205609lon=149.027603zoom=18 Heading north along Florey Drive, my route takes me right (towards the east) on Ginninderra Drive via the roundabout. I should be taking the third exit, but the GPS with an OSM map says to take the second exit. And this is because of the way the roundabout has been drawn. The first exit (west on Ginninderra Drive) isn't being counted as an exit because that exit point is also my entry point. In other words, it shows that one need not actually enter the roundabout to take that first turn. I believe that this roundabout does not accurately represent the reality of the situation. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0
Quoting Anthony o...@inbox.org: Part of me suspects that this whole notion of removing contributions from people who don't agree is going to get dropped. At least for the contributors who don't respond one way or the other. It's just going to destroy too much of the database. Wow, this whole issue has kept me up all night, just reading through the emails and having the implications dawn on me. Have I got this straight? That I *must* agree to this odbl licence, or my (considerable) amount of edits will get *nuked* from the canonical OSM database? What a Hobson's choice. I'd better go and see what this odbl is then? Brendan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Nearmap Gold Coast
Argh, never mind, I think it was a caching issue. I had been trying it out the last few days. Quoting morb@beagle.com.au: Quoting Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Nearmap (http://www.nearmap.com/) now has imagery available for the Gold Coast, QLD area. There seems to be a bug just now where you go to zoom level 13, then as you scroll in the resolution doesn't seem to get any better ... I almost gave up on it. May I recommend you persevere until zoom level 18 where the detailed imagery kicks in. This trick works for at least the Surfers Paradise, Robina and Varsity Lakes areas. Here's the Q1 building: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-28.006205,153.429968z=18t=h Brendan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[OSM-talk] NearMap and OpenAerialMap
Just a quick thought I just realised that NearMap is doing most of the job of the OpenAerialMap concept. I wonder if there is some scope to combine the efforts? Brendan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin
Quoting Michael spam...@gmx-ist-cool.de: Brendan, Brendan Morley wrote: Is there some way we can get this backported to -tested? JOSM r2405 has Please send me the version number of the slippymap plugin you are using and I will try to patch that version. The latest version of the plugin does not compile against -tested. Preferences Plugins shows slippymap: Version 17822* (17822) My other frustration was downloading your patched alternative. Rapidshare seems to specialise in 41kB web pages telling me I can't download the 41kB file yet )-: Took me several retries before I got it ... The plugin happens to be just slightly above the message size limit for the mailing list. Rapidshare was just my first idea where I could quickly put it. Probably I should just get myself an account for the wiki and upload it there. I was more bemused by Rapidshare's anti-anti-rationing policy. Brendan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM - JOSM slippymap plugin
Quoting Michael spam...@gmx-ist-cool.de: John Smith wrote: I can host stuff like this, just email it to me off list. Thanks to John the plugins are now available in a more convenient location. The plugin for -latest is @ http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/slippymap-latest.jar @ http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/slippymap-tested.jar you can find version 17822 that is compatible with -tested patched for the NearMap images. I only tested it long enough to see that it actually loads the images. You should be able to set the max zoom to 22 through the settings dialog, I think. Seems to work for me. Bit heavy on the memory though, 256M doesn't seem to be enough for the heap size any more. A relatively minor issue in this context. Brendan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
Well, they saved me the trouble, it's just gone up earlier this afternoon. Just look for the mashup australia blog post. The post points to data.australia.gov.au, go to the Geography category and go nuts. (-: As for the Qld DCDB-lite dataset, I'll have to load it into my WMS server over the next few nights and then give you the link. My test run took about 2-3 hours but I suspect the CC-BY version is veery similar. Brendan -original message- Subject: Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: 30/09/2009 8:46 am 2009/9/30 morb@beagle.com.au: I'll have to ask around but it might take a day or two. After all, for me OSM is meant to be a fun hobby and chasing this up seems like work /-: Sorry if I implied I was asking someone to look into this, I just wondered if anyone knew off the top of their head. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website
Quoting John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Does anyone know what ended up getting released yesterday, if it's available yet, or when it's likely to be? I concur it does not appear to have made an appearance on the front page of gov2.net.au yet. I'll have to ask around but it might take a day or two. After all, for me OSM is meant to be a fun hobby and chasing this up seems like work /-: ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[OSM-talk] Greenland street and aerial geodata to OSM
Asiaq Greenland Survey holds a repository of digital geodata: orthorectified imagery of towns and villages and overview maps with streets, buildings, footpaths, shoreline, lakes etc. They can be seen on http://en.nunagis.gl by choosing a town on the drop down box. By a donation we are able distribute data to osm, google and yahoo. Data are in DGN and TAB formats. How do we get further on uploading on osm? We might need help due to slow internet connections in the Arctic. Regards Karl Zinglersen Project manager ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
