Re: [OSM-talk] Roadside Distance Markers
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 16:22 +1000, John Smith wrote: Wouldn't it be better to make a relation or something similar to indicate the start of the way and then mile markers can be calculated? Doesn't always work. A highway could be realigned without changing mile posts and exit numbers on unchanged portions. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 01:21 +0200, David Paleino wrote: http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Please, don't. A paragraph or two describing the problem (and the correct way to tag) could help any newbies searching the archives. I've seen this sort of thing when someone (apparently) promotes or demotes a highway. I'll find little pieces of highway=primary were the longer ways are tagged highway=secondary. It looks very much like the demotion was done with the editor zoomed out instead of the tedious process of following the way up close. Just my 0.02 monetary units. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Fixup - name_1, name_2, etc
On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 12:01 -0400, Mike N. wrote: Often Tiger data contains an additional name_1, name_2, name_3, etc. These often occur in different order on different adjoining ways. How to handle those names? Should they be converted to alt_name , int_name, nat_name, loc_name, old_name , etc, with the name= being assigned to whatever is on the most prominent road signs? It depends (YMMV, etc). Sometimes changing the tag name_1 to old_name, etc. is the right answer. Sometimes name_1 is a variation of name (Street vs Avenue; E vs East; etc). Make name as accurate as you can and delete the others. Other times the way should be split; each name is valid for a different part. When I find combinations like State Route 3 and Center Street, I make sure the ref tag is correct and delete the State Route 3 name. When more than one name is appropriate, use one name tag and separate the names with semicolons (;). I have to admit, sometimes I have no clue and just leave the name_* tags alone. That leaves some hints for anyone with local knowledge that works in that part of the map later. -- Joseph Scanlan n7...@arrl.net ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Richard Weait wrote: Excellent start. Changing arterial streets to highway=secondary will help give the city some context. I prefer marking arterials as highway=tertiary. There are exceptions, of course. Some arterials are part of highways connecting cities. No point in demoting the way just because the state took it's number off when it turned maintenance over to a city or county. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Richard Weait wrote: Sorry, Joseph, I was talking about suburban arterials, which I prefer as secondary. I use tertiary to distinguish the preferred route into and out of the subdivision. Often these are wider or have turn lanes and or traffic signals to aid access to the intersecting secondary road. We're both talking about suburban arterials (or at least as suburban as Las Vegas gets). We just disagree on when they should be tertiary. I prefer to tag collectors as residential (or unclassified, if appropriate). I'm expecting the routing software to get people in and out of subdivision without marked collectors once we have all the traffic lights and turn restrictions in the map. Frankly it doesn't matter which, if either, philosophy Timothy adopts. I'm confident he'll make great improvements to the map. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Parcel data
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Anthony wrote: I'm not volunteering to do it *weekly*, but I'd only delete and upload (or modify) the data that changes, of course :). Even that may be a challange. The ways may get edited between your uploads. You'll want to be ready for that. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Martin Norbäck wrote: Another good tag would be todo=estimated for roads that are not properly surveyed, but only estimated. How about source=estimated? -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Admin boundaries and streets
G'day, Today I have a question about administrative boundaries, multipolygons, and what to do when they fall along a road. But first, I'll ramble a little and describe what I already have. There's a way (boundary=administrative; member of Enterprise and Paradise multipolygons) that runs *very* close to another way (highway=tertiary, name=Bermuda Road). I haven't looked up any legal definitions and can't say for sure that the admin boundary lies on the street center line, the middle of the right of way, etc. but as a practical matter Bermuda separates Enterprise from Paradise. (I'm not making these names up, I live near [1]). The admin boundary has (IMHO) extra nodes (they don't connect to another way nor do they affect the shape of the boundary). To make things worse, I've joined some of these nodes to streets as I worked on the streets and land use in the area. So... now that I have to fix things, I want to improve the map while I go. I want to remove the boundary ways that echo Bermuda and add that piece of Bermuda to the Enterprise and Paradise relations. The relations already have boundary and admin_level tags. Finally the question. Am I making a mistake? After all, I could keep the boundary and Bermuda separate (correcting my errors and line up the nodes that make it up). [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.05051lon=-115.16386zoom=15layers=B000FTF -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Lester Caine wrote: Currently there SHOULD be a landuse/natural tag for each area on a map as using amenity= creates another level of complexity. One may still has to decide what to use for landuse if the tag itself is missing. I still think 'landuse=natural' with a sub tag of natural= is the correct framework ... Thanks everyone for the input. In this case I'm going with landuse=retail. The hotel itself is tagged building=yes, tourism=hotel. I suppose if a hotel is surrounded by commercial landuse then there's no point making a little retail island to hold it. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels (Brazilian Motels)
Perhaps an additional tag to show stay duration. stay=hourly;daily;weekly;monthly Use any that apply. (There's probably a better tag to use than 'stay'.) We used to have a motel in town that featured Free XXX Adult Movies on their Marque (just in case hourly rates weren't a big enough hint). http://www.flickr.com/photos/89004...@n00/773484486/ http://www.roadsidepeek.com/roadusa/southwest/nevada/vegas/lvmotel/lvstripmotel/index2.htm -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels (Brazilian Motels)
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a different fee system / business modell. Around here I would not use a separate tag. No-Tell Motels must show a little discretion. Hourly rate is a pretty clear hint as to what people are doing there (not sleeping) but it still looks like a motel on the outside. Places that are more open could very well have businesses that deserve a special tag. For example, I wouldn't tag any business in Clark County as a brothel, the brothels look like other businesses and the prostitutes will go somewhere else when the location draws too much attention from law enforcement. In other Nevada counties, were prostitution is legal, a brothel tag makes sense. These are clearly labeled, well established businesses. Just my point of view from a rather atypical city in the US desert south west. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels (Brazilian Motels)
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: You seem to think about an inofficial brothel, as prostitution is illegal in some parts of nevada. Sorry I wasn't clear. I understand the love motel isn't a brothel. My point is that in places that disapprove (officially or not) some business look a lot like other businesses (and may even offer normal services to some clients). Should there be a love motel tag? IMHO, yes. Would I use the tag to describe a motel around here? No. One probably could rent a room for the night, alone, to sleep (but the clerk might try to direct the guest to some place more appropriate). So... after all that, I probably haven't helped the original poster at all. (But I am enjoying the thread!) -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] NHD status?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Ian Dees wrote: Can you point to an example of a wash in the NHD data? I haven't seen one yet. Sorry, no. I saw wash referred to in http://nhd.usgs.gov/chapter1/index.html#_Toc435603829 and jumped to the conclusion that data existed. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - Never mind. --Emily Litella ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Which entry level budget garmin
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, D Tucny wrote: The response I received from Garmin was: Thank you for contacting Garmin International. There are several units that may fit your purpose: nuvi 500 (you get to see 1:100,000 scale Topo Maps) nuvi 775T nuvi 765T nuvi 755T Interesting. I'm using a nuvi 760. What I do is connect the 760 to my computer with a USB cable and transfer nuviCurrent.gpx to my hard drive. nuviCurrent.gpx works as-is in JOSM but I have to hand edit it to remove Garmin's data if I want to upload my tracks to the OSM servers. This might work for the less expensize nuvis but I have to admit it is a little awkward. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Which entry level budget garmin
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, D Tucny wrote: What sort of control do you have over the tracklogging with the 760? None. I got mine before I got interested in OSM. I'm tempted to get an eTrex or something for mapping. Still, expensive... costco.com (here in the US) had a good price for the nuvi 760 when I got mine. Even then, you should be able to spend less to get a better GPS for OSM mapping. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] hydrology tags
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, David Carmean wrote: I'm currently wishing we had an entire new set of hydrology=something feature tags :) I've often wondered how to tag dry washes here in the desert southwest. I suppose they could be tagged as waterway=drain in town when they have a man made channel. That just doesn't feel right when we have a natural channel. -- - Joseph Scanlan http://www.qsl.net/n7xsd +1-702-455-3679 http://n7xsd.dyndns.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) (not work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Parking aisle as boundary of car park not showing
Greetings, The argument that we map street center lines and add width= or est_width= tags to give them an area is persuasive. Probably because that's what I already believed. ;-) We can also estimate width by using the highway= or lanes= tags. Mapping a car park to its edge (sidewalk, curb and gutter, etc.) also gives us something with an area. I suppose ways could even be drawn to show the entries to the car park. So... applications that use the data (renderers, etc.) should be able to deal with the case where the street center line is close to, but not coincident with, the bounds of an area such as a car park. The applications should also deal with the case where (part of) the bounds of an area is also a highway or waterway. Consider the case where a political boundary is defined by the center of a river. A single zero-width way serves as both the river center line and the political boundary. We have a similar case where a highway is carefully designed to follow a political boundary. It looks like we're back to map what's on the ground and our data consumers will use or ignore it as appropriate. -- - Joseph Scanlan http://www.qsl.net/n7xsd +1-702-455-3679 http://n7xsd.dyndns.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) (not work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Clark County, Nevada Street Center Line data
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Ian Dees wrote: make sure that the data is better than the data that was already imported from TIGER. The data is quite good and gets updated weekly. So... I don't want to treat this as a one shot conversion. Updates should be part of my plan. I've downloaded the SCL and converted it to lat/lon to use in xastir http://www.xastir.org/ My current copy is a little old. I'll find my notes and get a fresh copy. I can help you with the convert shapefile to .osm step, as I am slowly working on the SHP - OSM script mentioned previously on this list. Thanks. I'm an old Fortran programmer who's learned to hack together Java, PERL. etc. but I've never tried reading/writing shapefiles or XML. Should be fun to learn. Initial import: STRCLASS is the street class as defined by Clark County GIS (CCGIS). 1 for each STRCLASS in county shapefile 2 create scl.osm preserving attributes as ccgis: tags 3 extract working.osm from planet.osm with the same bounding box as scl.osm 4 remove ways from scl.osm that are already in working.osm (by comparing ccgis: tags) 5 use JOSM to replace TIGER ways with ways from scl.osm 6 upload changes 7 relax until planet.osm is updated 8 next STRCLASS Step 1 may not be as simple as iterating through STRCLASS. The CCGIS data doesn't clearly identify motorways. I plan to do these in the first iteration by selecting on STRNAME. (That's what inspired step 4.) Steps 2, 3, and 4 should be automated with a script. Updates: 1 create scl.osm preserving attributes as ccgis: tags 2 extract working.osm from planet.osm with the same bounding box as scl.osm 3 create add.osm, delete.osm, and change.osm by comparing ccgis: tags in scl.osm and working.osm 4 review changes.osm with JOSM and upload 5 review add.osm with JOSM and upload 6 process delete.osm (but how?) -- - Joseph Scanlan http://www.qsl.net/n7xsd +1-702-455-3679 http://n7xsd.dyndns.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) (not work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in The Lady Lies ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
