[OSM-talk-be] Osmose error Tag amenity is deprecated: shop, Tag:shop=jewelry
Hi, Osmose tells me: Wiki gives two spellings? first jewelry error second I am waiting for résults jewellery not quit understanding. 3727 4010 1 2 4010 4010 niet meer gebruikt E 3.19 50.80 n 3100431601 (j) Tag amenity is deprecated: shop Tag:shop=jewelry http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=jewelry http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/BE-Spelling_shop%3Djewelry Jakka ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-legal-talk] License Working Group news
The License Working Group is undermanned and has only met twice this year, most recently on 28th October. [1] This is due in great part to my lack of time, enthusiasm and attention in calling meetings. I am therefore stepping down as below and welcome volunteers to join as full members and indeed, subject to the agreement of other LWG members and board endorsement, take over the chair role. I would also like to highlight that we also now welcome associate members who can help us occassionally or want to work on a specific topic that fires you up. This involves no specific formalities nor duties. It has been brought to my attention that this might therefore suit legal practioners who would otherwise have a conflict of interest. We would certainly welcome involvement from real lawyers! Lastly, Satoshi Iida, an extremely active member of the OSM Japan community has asked to participate in LWG and I welcome him enthusiastically. It is important to broaden our scope beyond Western Europe/US thinking. Mike [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes === Slightly edited copy of email sent to LWG == Dear LWG, and CC Board for their information, I feel that I do not, and will be unable to give, LWG the time and attention it needs. I have also been in the position for at least 6 years and it is time for a new and more enthusiastic face. I am therefore formally resigning as Chair and invite the LWG to consider a replacement. I would prefer that this was not a member of the current board, and therein lies a problem. I am asking Simon now his current status, but apart from him, all other current members are also board members. I have also one piece of good news in that Satoshi Iida, an extremely active member of the OSM Japan community has asked to participate and I welcome him enthusiastically. I regret adding even more to the current board's starting load, but think it best to just face facts. I am therefore happy to stay in a caretaker role until that person is in place, but emphasise that this will be less than ideal. The issues that LWG should ideally be dealing with are: * Assisting end-users by developing clarificatory community guidelines for providing OSM-based data services (rather than maps) in a mixed data environment. * License compatibility with CC 4 and the general issue of license harmonisation. * Diligently answering now frequent license enquiries. Mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far
2014-11-15 22:24 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbicycle_repair_station Should this not be under proposal name space ? I'm not proposing the tag, just promoting it. it should be under the proposal name space, because it is not an established tag, it has only 28 uses as of now. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM
... giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world ;-) -- ## Manfred Reiter - mobile - please excuse typos and brevity Am 16.11.2014 21:57 schrieb Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com: Hey! You mention the import of 14,000 places in Liberia for the Ébola fight! Thanks to give publicity! Cheers, Rafael. El 16/11/2014 22:20, Madalina Ionescu madalinaionesc...@gmail.com escribió: The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 225, is now availalbe online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu Enjoy! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Unelected OSMF advisers
I am a little concerned that the (already overwhelming) task of fixing OSMF, which has been entrusted to a board of seven good people, is being made still harder by people in mysterious unelected roles offering their advice. I know of at least two: Mike Collinson is chair of the (AIUI moribund) 'Management Team'. Steve Coast is 'chairman emeritus' - I'm not sure whether Simon Poole has also been offered this title. I believe (but don't know) there may be others who receive copies of, and can send, management emails but aren't elected in any way. Two requests: First, for the sake of openness, it would be good to see these relationships documented on the OSMF website. Second, while the new board decides on its direction, a period of self-imposed silence by these people would be considerate. Frederik, Kathleen and Paul have been newly elected to do a difficult job. Their work will be made all the more difficult by a cacophony of advice from those without a mandate. This isn't personal - I like Mike very much, while I think it's fairly comprehensively documented that Steve and I don't get on - but it seems, to me, common decency that if you ask someone to do a job, you give them the time and space to do it. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unelected OSMF advisers
The only advice to the board I offered was to ask Fred to limit the quantity and length of his essays as we couldn't keep up. But that's not new or unique advice. I think Mike's been pretty helpful personally. I'd stay away from the elected/unelected thing, since almost all of the important roles in osm are unelected? Steve On Nov 17, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I am a little concerned that the (already overwhelming) task of fixing OSMF, which has been entrusted to a board of seven good people, is being made still harder by people in mysterious unelected roles offering their advice. I know of at least two: Mike Collinson is chair of the (AIUI moribund) 'Management Team'. Steve Coast is 'chairman emeritus' - I'm not sure whether Simon Poole has also been offered this title. I believe (but don't know) there may be others who receive copies of, and can send, management emails but aren't elected in any way. Two requests: First, for the sake of openness, it would be good to see these relationships documented on the OSMF website. Second, while the new board decides on its direction, a period of self-imposed silence by these people would be considerate. Frederik, Kathleen and Paul have been newly elected to do a difficult job. Their work will be made all the more difficult by a cacophony of advice from those without a mandate. This isn't personal - I like Mike very much, while I think it's fairly comprehensively documented that Steve and I don't get on - but it seems, to me, common decency that if you ask someone to do a job, you give them the time and space to do it. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unelected OSMF advisers
On 17/11/2014 15:41, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I am a little concerned that the (already overwhelming) task of fixing OSMF, which has been entrusted to a board of seven good people, is being made still harder by people in mysterious unelected roles offering their advice. I know of at least two: Mike Collinson is chair of the (AIUI moribund) 'Management Team'. Steve Coast is 'chairman emeritus' - I'm not sure whether Simon Poole has also been offered this title. I believe (but don't know) there may be others who receive copies of, and can send, management emails but aren't elected in any way. Steve and I are the only persons receiving board CCs. Steve as Chaiman Emeritus and I as Management Team chair. Neither are mysterious, but they are unelected so I respectfully take Richard's point. We are also invited to attend board meetings. Two requests: First, for the sake of openness, it would be good to see these relationships documented on the OSMF website. I have now documented the Management Team relationship: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Management_Team#Tasks For the Chairman Emeritus role, there is not is not a page on the website and, yes, it would be a good idea to have one. I would prefer to wait until after Thursday's meeting. Meanwhile, the general relationship is documented here: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2012/08/16/board-grants-project-founder-the-title-of-chairman-emeritus/ Second, while the new board decides on its direction, a period of self-imposed silence by these people would be considerate. Frederik, Kathleen and Paul have been newly elected to do a difficult job. Their work will be made all the more difficult by a cacophony of advice from those without a mandate. This isn't personal - I like Mike very much, while I think it's fairly comprehensively documented that Steve and I don't get on - but it seems, to me, common decency that if you ask someone to do a job, you give them the time and space to do it. For transparency, I have attended about one year of board meetings now I think (it is minuted). I took the approach that I should simply listen and pick up items that the MT could handle. I was however encouraged to take a more participatory role provided that I do not take part in voting. On board email, I answer questions that are asked and occassionally make reports or specific requests from the Management Team or License Working Group. Else, the value is that I am generally aware of issues and do not need to be briefed. I cannot make comment on board meeting or email detail, but I do not think it breaching confidentiality to say that Steve's participation is overwhelming passive ... he makes his engagement through public, open channels to my knowledge. During the approximately the past three weeks, and only then, I have certainly been aggressive in giving advice ... and asking it. Yes, it is possible that I have over-stepped bounds. I feel that it is also common decency that if you ask someone to do a job, then you should provide briefing and also get their opinions in order to support them. I have therefore had telephone conversations with 3 board members and may do with a 4th. I have sent two emails of definitely unsolicited advice, one 2014-10-27 and one today. I have requested that the Management Team be put on the Thursday board meeting agenda and published a document that may have prompted Richard's mailing. I feel it silly that the board should not be briefed on an issue that they might, if they want, decide is a major cause of this whole hoo-ha. A board member then commented, (but made no specific request), that the document made little recommendation on what the board could actually do. I took that as an invitation and am doing a second pass through the document, (which I shall now stop). Good, bad? Well, now I really don't know. On Thursday, I shall make a short preamble, offer to quit and then let the board take it from there. Whatever they decide, I wish them luck in a difficult but not insurmountable phase. I hope that better meets your concerns? Likewise I like Richard and greatly respect his opinions. Mike Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unelected OSMF advisers
Michael Collinson wrote: For transparency, I have attended about one year of board meetings now I think (it is minuted). I took the approach that I should simply listen and pick up items that the MT could handle. I was however encouraged to take a more participatory role provided that I do not take part in voting. On board email, I answer questions that are asked and occassionally make reports or specific requests from the Management Team or License Working Group. Else, the value is that I am generally aware of issues and do not need to be briefed. I cannot make comment on board meeting or email detail, but I do not think it breaching confidentiality to say that Steve's participation is overwhelming passive ... he makes his engagement through public, open channels to my knowledge. During the approximately the past three weeks, and only then, I have certainly been aggressive in giving advice ... and asking it. Yes, it is possible that I have over-stepped bounds. I find it difficult to imagine our mild-mannered Mike Collinson being aggressive! The new board members have been elected because the electorate believe they are the people best placed to make OSMF better; because the electorate likes their vision for change. When a benevolent long-timer offers advice and briefings, there is an implicit invitation to the newcomers to go native - for future activities to tend towards business as usual. No document is neutral, no matter how well-intentioned; it is written within a particular worldview, with its own assumptions and backdrop. But sometimes a fresh pair of eyes is exactly what's needed, without preconceptions about we tried that once and it didn't work, without we always have to think about this important matter. If the more long-standing board members choose to resist change, they do at least have a mandate. Advisers don't, and should bear their privileged position responsibly. By all means you, and Steve, and others can be on hand to offer advice if asked. Your newly published document is interesting - very much so - but it's written with the experience and from the perspective of us old farts. Newcomers to the board should have fresh perspectives, fresh ideas. Let the new board form their first thoughts free of external pressure. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unelected OSMF advisers
There is a good Chinese proverb, Wisdom begins with acceptance of reality. If it is the reality, it makes sense to accept it and create a transparent explicit OSM Meritocracy Technical Council (MTC), the second branch of authority, in addition to the OSMF Board. Merits could be clearly defined. For example, if a user has got more than twenty thousand meaningful edits, or published say three articles in main stream media about the OSM recently, or works on significant hardware or software OSM projects, etc. she/ he could apply for the Meritocracy Technical Council membership. Representative democracy (indirect democracy) is much better than a tyranny, not doubt about it, but it is, probably, not the end of the history yet. There are readily available tools nowadays to verify the achievements (merits) directly and unambiguously (number of edits, articles' URLs, projects' URL, etc.) Both branches could be mutually reinforcing, especially if the roles are clearly defined and harmonized. Not Meritocracy vs. Democracy (1), but Meritocracy and Democracy. Best regards, Oleksiy (1) http://tildehash.com/?article=meritocracy-vs-democracy On 17.11.2014 16:58, Steve Coast wrote: ... since almost all of the important roles in osm are unelected... On Nov 17, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I am a little concerned that the (already overwhelming) task of fixing OSMF, which has been entrusted to a board of seven good people, is being made still harder by people in mysterious unelected roles offering their advice. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Future Group
After SotM in Birmingham, I was invited to join the OSM Future Group: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Future (page includes a list of members, and a timetable.) and agreed to do so (Indeed, I paid a subscription solely in order to be eligible to do so). That group has not met nor communicated since then. Should we presume the group is defunct, and mark the age accordingly? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Project #OSMselfie
Let's put a human face on our data contributions. If you are surveying, and or mapping. Document it with an #OSMselfie. I tried one. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Be%20A%20Mapper/diary/26355 Can you help me make a better presentation slide deck? Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Future Group
Dear Andy, I join to the future working group. I´m sad about this stagnation. I invite you to the next telco after 27.nov.2014 Skype iD: marekOSMPolska Best, Marek Dnia 17 listopada 2014 20:11 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk napisał(a): After SotM in Birmingham, I was invited to join the OSM Future Group: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Future(page includes a list of members, and a timetable.) and agreed to do so (Indeed, I paid a subscription solely in order to be eligible to do so). That group has not met nor communicated since then. Should we presume the group is defunct, and mark the age accordingly? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Future Group
You're right on that Andy, as it was I that asked you to join the FG, I very much liked the contact with other FG members, the creation of the SWOT, the interview and the SOTM workshop on dreams for 2020: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Future/Dreams#Attendants_of_workshop_.27Road_map_to_the_future.27.2C_SOTM_Birmingham.2C_7_September_2013 There were enough people involved in the FG. Main challenge was keeping the fire burning. So it's good to see new enthousiasm coming in. I can't recall if I invited you on the Hangout at March 2nd this year. If not: excuses for that. I'm however sure I included you in the invitation mail which I send a few weeks before that Hangout, see below. Result of that meeting (no notes available) was that the participants wanted to go on (I also said yes although I was a bit reluctant) and that Dermot would take care of some procedures to turn FG into the FWG. Since then -till now- it has become very silent. Invitation mail of February 2014 below: Hi everyone on Sunday 2 March 2014 21:00 Amsterdam time (20:00 London, 12:00 Seattle) I'll invite you to a Hangout on the future of the future group. There has been inactivity lately within the Future Group. Therefore I see the following options for the Future Group: 1. quit because of the inactivity 2. go on as as FG or as a FWG, but only with the people who show interest in proceeding If we go on, maybe we should be focussing more on practical issues such as our major weaknesses. Like the one I've been involved in for the last four months: address and building imports. One other practical thing I'm thinking about, if we go on, is increasing cooperation between OSM and professional parties like Telenav. A third practical one is thinking about the way (smartphone?) editors could become friendly enough to newcomers, especially when the data density in OSM rises (for example beacuse of imports or because of micromapping). See you on the 2nd of March! Cheers, Johan 2014-11-17 20:49 GMT+01:00 marekskleciak mareksklec...@o2.pl: Dear Andy, I join to the future working group. I´m sad about this stagnation. I invite you to the next telco after 27.nov.2014 Skype iD: marekOSMPolska Best, Marek Dnia 17 listopada 2014 20:11 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk napisał(a): After SotM in Birmingham, I was invited to join the OSM Future Group: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Future(page includes a list of members, and a timetable.) and agreed to do so (Indeed, I paid a subscription solely in order to be eligible to do so). That group has not met nor communicated since then. Should we presume the group is defunct, and mark the age accordingly? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far
Here's one more for ya, Bryce. :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Be%20A%20Mapper/diary/26357 These are cool. Thanks! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Project #OSMselfie
Nice idea. Too often our communications are faceless and I wonder if this in any way has an effect on the tone of the discussions (that is, would we be more polite if we could 'see' the person we are talking too)? Rob p.s. The more time I spend on the mailing lists, the more I see them as a tool that suits software developers* rather than a diverse community of people we aim to grow. * By which I mean software developers like a communication channel that is very terse and to the point (as it is efficient for their workload) and they know this so don't see short replies as negative like others may. Face to face hack events provide a chance to speak at greater length. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Almere wordt gesloopt
Ik heb inmiddels antwoord van Vistaus. Is allemaal in onwetendheid gebeurt dus terugdraaien van al zijn edits lijkt me niet aan de orde en vrijwel niet te doen. M.a.w. de community zal eea tzt weer moeten fiksen vrees ik. Ik heb de fietsroutes weer gerepareerd en ook de toegang van fiets/voetganger op de meeste secundaire wegen. Zijn antwoord: Excuses dat het zo gelopen is. Een hoop wegen/paden/etc. waren juist totaal verkeerd uitgetekend of zelfs uitgetekend waar dat in real-life helemaal niet bestaat. Daarom dat ik ze opnieuw heb uitgetekend. Ik heb wel e.e.a. aan tags hersteld zover ik weet, met name op de busbanen, maar wellicht niet overal. Dat spijt mij en ik zal er proberen op te letten vanaf nu. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Almere wordt gesloopt
Hopelijk gaat zijn tomeloze energie niet verloren voor OSM. Kan er niet een kaart gemaakt worden met real-time informatie over verdachte sloopactiviteiten? 2014-11-17 14:18 GMT+01:00 Minko ligfiet...@online.nl: Ik heb inmiddels antwoord van Vistaus. Is allemaal in onwetendheid gebeurt dus terugdraaien van al zijn edits lijkt me niet aan de orde en vrijwel niet te doen. M.a.w. de community zal eea tzt weer moeten fiksen vrees ik. Ik heb de fietsroutes weer gerepareerd en ook de toegang van fiets/voetganger op de meeste secundaire wegen. Zijn antwoord: Excuses dat het zo gelopen is. Een hoop wegen/paden/etc. waren juist totaal verkeerd uitgetekend of zelfs uitgetekend waar dat in real-life helemaal niet bestaat. Daarom dat ik ze opnieuw heb uitgetekend. Ik heb wel e.e.a. aan tags hersteld zover ik weet, met name op de busbanen, maar wellicht niet overal. Dat spijt mij en ik zal er proberen op te letten vanaf nu. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Henk Nouws ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Almere wordt gesloopt
Henk, Mogelijk heb je wat aan deze site? http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ Hopelijk gaat zijn tomeloze energie niet verloren voor OSM. Kan er niet een kaart gemaakt worden met real-time informatie over verdachte sloopactiviteiten? ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Almere wordt gesloopt
Minko schreef: Deze bijvoorbeeld: http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ http://osm.mapki.com/history/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quality_assurance Hmm. Ik zou graag een wat grotere diff zien van vele objecten en changesets tegelijk. Anders is er geen beginnen aan. Ok, mocht die route gewoon begaanbaar zijn dan mogen de XXX jes weg. Done! http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26845964 Ik heb ook meteen een ander gebied waar ik wist dat dingen zijn veranderd gecheckt. Dat komt later. Ik word nog eens een mapper. Jonathan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wikipedia
Jo schreef op 2014-11-17 00:20: Oei, ik bedoelde natuurlijk: maak een link naar wikidata. Er is geen probleem om zowel wikpedia, als wikipedia:xx en wikidata tags toe te voegen. Probeer wel om de juiste subject:wikidata / architect:wikidata / artist:wikidata / name:etymology:wikidata e.d. toe te voegen als het niet over het item zelf gaat, maar over, door of vernoemd naar iets of iemand. Dan heb ik goed tussen je woorden gelezen ;-) Het voorstel is nog in draft, maar het is beter dan beschreven dan bij wikipedia. Ik zag ook dat de wikidata keydata wordt gebruikt voor mapjes op wikipedia en dat is voor de bruikbaarheid wel een voordeel. Over het gebruik van de specialisaties. Ik ben er zelf niet z'n voorstander van gezien het te herleiden is bij het volgen van de q-code bij wikidata en we dus eigenlijk een gedeelte van wikidata aan het overzetten zijn naar OSM. Maar dat is imho voor nu offtopic en nu de winter komt eerst wat andere dingen oppakken voor regio hier. Hans ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Almere wordt gesloopt
Niet alleen NL wordt gesloopt. Ook op Curacao heeft de bot natural:bay terug gezet op het Schottegat waardoor ik nu zonder water zit http://osm.org/go/Yamv2wzJ--?relation=1216719 Op 17 november 2014 16:42 schreef Jonathan van Tuijl jonatha...@gmail.com: Minko schreef: Deze bijvoorbeeld: http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ http://osm.mapki.com/history/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quality_assurance Hmm. Ik zou graag een wat grotere diff zien van vele objecten en changesets tegelijk. Anders is er geen beginnen aan. Ok, mocht die route gewoon begaanbaar zijn dan mogen de XXX jes weg. Done! http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26845964 Ik heb ook meteen een ander gebied waar ik wist dat dingen zijn veranderd gecheckt. Dat komt later. Ik word nog eens een mapper. Jonathan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Almere wordt gesloopt
Ik schreef: Ik heb ook meteen een ander gebied waar ik wist dat dingen zijn veranderd gecheckt. Dat komt later. Ik word nog eens een mapper. Achteraf blijken de verschillen groter dan ik dacht. Ik ben er nog niet uit hoe ik de beperkte informatie die ik heb verzameld moet verenigen met de kaart. Hoe doe je dat, als je geen complete informatie hebt maar delen wel duidelijk fout zijn? Er zijn grote stukken afgebakend waar ik onmogelijk kan zien wat er nog heel is, of wat er nog heel zal zijn na de werkzaamheden (het gaat over maanden/jaren). Wat doe je dan? Weghalen of access=no o.i.d.? Lomp de nieuwe weg over alles heen plotten? Ik wil in ieder geval de begaanbare routes beschikbaar maken, en de onbegaanbare juist niet. Maar eerst neem ik rust. Jonathan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [Talk-br] Situação das Traduções - Edição 9
O Mapillary agora possibilita traduções. Vejam https://github.com/mapillary/mapillary_localization Em 13 de novembro de 2014 10:26, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com escreveu: O Nelson (naoliv) revisou a tradução do TTS do OsmAnd para português do Brasil https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/blob/master/voice/pt-br/ttsconfig.p Em 12 de novembro de 2014 21:07, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com escreveu: Existe uma URL de tela cheia http://www.diffnow.com/EdpProcess.aspx?action=fullscreenpath=http://www.diffnow.com/files/shared/m/__edp_output__a9c3ca77-0ceb-4505-ba13-1ce413c2fbb7.htm . 2014-11-12 15:49 GMT-03:00 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Adicionei um diff para a tradução do Taginfo, já que não existe um indicador direto do percentual de tradução, como informou o John. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Schwarzwald bei Ludwigsburg ?
Am 16. November 2014 23:45 schrieb Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de: Ich habe mal „Schworzwald“ statt „Schwarzwold“ probiert. Das Label taucht immernoch bei Ludwigsburg auf und lautet nun „Schworzwald“ ;-). bitte nicht mit den live Daten testen. Das Problem liegt evtl. bei osm2pgsql beim Einspielen von diffs und Löschen / Ändern von MP Relationen *), hat also ziemlich sicher nichts mit dem Carto Mapnikrenderingstil zu tun. Gruß, Martin *) das vermutet zumindest Paul Norman so auf osm-dev und verweist auf diesen, mittlerweile gefixten Bug: https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql/issues/67 Auch wenn es nicht dieser Bug sondern ein anderer ist, in den gegenwärtigen Daten und beim Renderstil ist das Problem ziemlich sicher nicht verortet. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche OSM-Vertretung sinnvoll?
Hallo, ich würde dieses Thema in seiner Originalversion gerne noch einmal aufgreifen. Johann hat da schon ein gutes Bild gezeichnet: On 10/27/2014 01:51 AM, Johann H. Addicks wrote: Ich würde die Frage in 3 Abteilungen splitten: a) Man hat Leute, die unbedingt inhaltliche Arbeit leisten möchten und nicht so viel Lust auf Verwaltungsoverhead, Geschäftsordnung, Rechenschaftsberichte haben: - ständige Arbeitsgruppe im FOSGIS b) Man hat Leute, die gern einen Verein betreiben möchten und es toll finden, dass sie mit OSM ein Satzungsziel verfolgen können, welches gut vermittelbar ist und das potentiell viele Mitglieder und viel Community-Orga perspektivisch ermöglichst. (Aufkleber, Stammtischorga, Messestände, Jahreshauptversammlungen, Schulungen, Jährliche Preisverleihungen, Stipendien, Mitglieder-Rabattaktionen bei Partnerunternehmen/Versicherungen) c) Man hat Leute, die sagen, sie würden sich nicht trauen, für OSM die Werbetrommel zu rühren, ohne dass sie offizielle OSM-Vereinsvertreter seien. d) Eine Arbeitsgruppe im FOSGIS ist gescheitert, weil die inhaltlichen Differenzen zwischen den OSMlern und den FOSGISlern nicht überbrückbar sind in welcher Art auch immer und daher ein eigener Trägerverein solche Konflikte sinnvoll vermeidet. Also meine Sicht der Dinge ist die: Von a) und b) ist sicherlich genug vorhanden. Ein paar Leute denken vielleicht c), aber offizielle OSM-Vereinsvertreter wollen wir nach Möglichkeit gar nicht, denn dass führt dann zu dem, was Markus in einem Followup angedeutet hat - plötzlich denken die, die nicht offiziell sind, sie müssten erstmal um Erlaubnis fragen, bevor sie etwas machen! Und von d) kann überhaupt keine Rede sein, weil es über Interessensbekundungen nie hinausgegangen ist. Denjenigen von Euch, die den FOSSGIS nicht von innen kennen, sei gesagt: Das ist ein ganz kleiner Laden mit ein paar Aktiven, von denen jeder so ein bisschen an seinem Steckenpferd herumwurschtelt und die im Verein halt einen gewissen gemeinsamen Nenner finden, aber gross anders als bei uns ist das auch nicht. Und von irgendwelchen Differenzen zwischen FOSSGISlern und OSMlern habe ich auch noch nichts mitbekommen, im Gegenteil. Ich selber bin als Schatzmeister im FOSSGIS-Vorstand. Der Grund dafür ist hauptsächlich, dass wir bei uns in Karlsruhe ja die SOTM-EU gemacht haben und der FOSSGIS sich als Träger dafür angeboten hat, und ich hatte ein schlechtes Gewissen dabei, den FOSSGIS-Ehrenamtlichen jetzt noch die Finanzverwaltung einer kompletten weiteren Konferenz aufzubürden. Also habe ich mich freiwillig als Schatzmeister gemeldet ;) Ich habe nicht die Energie, selbst eine Arbeitsgruppe OSM im FOSSGIS e.V. auf die Beine zu stellen, und ich habe vorallem auch keine Lust, ständig irgendjemand irgendwie erinnern zu müssen, dass er doch mal was machen wollte. Aber ich kann Euch auf jeden Fall zusagen, dass, *wenn* ein paar von Euch das machen woll, ihr auf jeden Fall vom FOSSGIS die Rückendeckung kriegt, die ihr braucht. Inklusive Briefpapier und Visitenkarten und einem Bereich auf der Webseite und was ihr halt sonst noch so braucht. Der FOSSGIS sammelt heute schon zweckgebundene Spenden für OSM, d.h. die landen zwar auf unserem Bankkonto, sind in der Buchhaltung aber separat gelistet - und ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass wir da einen Modus finden, wie die Arbeitsgruppe relativ frei über diese Mittel verfügen kann. Also da ist der FOSSGIS ganz bestimmt für alles offen, es müsste nur mal jemand kommen und sagen: Ok, wir haben uns jetzt dies und das überlegt, so und so machen wir das. Es wäre zum Beispiel auch möglich, dass Mitglieder im FOSSGIS explizit noch zusätzlich eine Mitgliedschaft in der Arbeitsgruppe ankreuzen können und man ihnen dadurch dann irgendwelche Extra Stimmrechte einräumt, oder ihnen extra Beiträge abbucht (die Gesellschaft für Informatik macht das z.B. so - es gibt nur einen Verein, aber Du zahlst unterschiedlich, je nachdem, in welchen Fachgruppen Du bist). Das könnten sich die Leute, die das machen, alles selber überlegen. Das einzige, was nicht passieren darf, ist, dass Streit und Postenschieberei in der Community ausbrechen. Also wenn jetzt die Arbeitsgruppe plötzlich anfangen würde, sich selbst als die einzig offiziellen OSMer hinzustellen und die Arbeit von anderen in der deutschen OSM-Community sabotiert (so nach dem Motto kann ja sein, Dietmar, dass Du diese Strassenliste machst, aber wir machen jetzt unsere eigene und die ist dann OFFIZIELL), dann müsste man da natürlich die Bremse ziehen. *Diese* Art von Vereinsleben würde der FOSSGIS nicht unterstützen ;) Mein Vorschlag wäre, dass sich die, die sich dafür interessieren und etwas aufbauen wollen, zusammentun (vielleicht bietet sich da mal so ein Hack-Weekend an - oder der FOSSGIS würde auch helfen, ein Planungswochenende im Linux-Hotel zu organisieren) und es einfach mal machen. Man kann ja klein anfangen, und wenn's gut läuft, dann langsam ausbauen. Sollte es wirklich mal dahin kommen,
Re: [Talk-de] Schwarzwald bei Ludwigsburg ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.11.2014 um 11:04 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 16. November 2014 23:45 schrieb Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de: Ich habe mal „Schworzwald“ statt „Schwarzwold“ probiert. Das Label taucht immernoch bei Ludwigsburg auf und lautet nun „Schworzwald“ ;-). bitte nicht mit den live Daten testen. Das Problem liegt evtl. bei osm2pgsql beim Einspielen von diffs und Löschen / Ändern von MP Relationen *), hat also ziemlich sicher nichts mit dem Carto Mapnikrenderingstil zu tun. Ich wollte nur zeigen, dass es das Label der Relation 1395820 ist. Dazu schien mir das (geringfügige) Ändern des Labels in den Live-Daten das einfachste Mittel. Habe die Änderung auch inzwischen reverted. Dass es ein Problem mit der Mapnik-Software oder osm2pgsql ist, habe ich auch vermutet. Da ich aber nicht wusste, in welcher Software der Fehler am wahrscheinlichsten liegt, habe ich mich mal an osm-carto gewendet, da ich mir von dort einen Hinweis auf die Ursache erhofft hatte. Gruß, Martin *) das vermutet zumindest Paul Norman so auf osm-dev und verweist auf diesen, mittlerweile gefixten Bug: https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql/issues/67 Auch wenn es nicht dieser Bug sondern ein anderer ist, in den gegenwärtigen Daten und beim Renderstil ist das Problem ziemlich sicher nicht verortet. Danke für den Hinweis, dort lese ich normalerweise nicht mit, habe aber inzwischen auf den Thread dort geantwortet und unter anderem angemerkt, dass ich nicht glaube, dass der genannte Fehler für den Schwarzwald bei Ludwigsburg verantwortlich ist. Viele Grüße, Florian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUafIzAAoJEL4C5+PUNkMtCAcQAKAQT4YFx5S18rfBxe2IfRlW Z2D6vwronBNH936n9tdHbnQsv4tN3LUmcK+Jt2BYiewuEkZ7fm1Zfqn1hlCSd1Kj 6aZhhHGjA4Tjx2Xb3xtKLiMJsliqUQNi/wmChKT93ezDizFGBRY5NrrLDwRLWTO1 +c38DyXWonx49PMW6KCjSZBTZUG+5eYDzVY8RM5fwE1IgGS1YjZs7ARPKYHi9lHS OivtEQ1dpZ38Ao5yhggbGewr/0KriiRcgL7f7gJuhfqIjB5CM21W5w3d31Uvz2Pz r+Z+ROrZFXrtzyHSz3+MjWLfi/lCQ35dyh3dRlLiXywgQE0QAhK/fNEdiP8P6Fys 0F7MBx6MDo0pRGZ3BgSttDlZBMM3RouY+LDo8vvexp2pGB/yMpfBMeekeHtlh4ru RwnkbcfKEk+VeHLWdBJExrlOzezotD8ICbv8rwMS6mLLwHsSpzKf2KQFeFtcnCeh aACuBvZyC/pVb0+7PqQPDO29OwraRN/Z7Xw172pm2Yk27vPceosW6oJb3i/a7+Qi 3tIomSm4p38wpAD6ZGZoz6kOXDg5yQ2j+RT2Qv4OxpI0Hamjl3Xc+FaF9oSJwqmj iSNhMkGdaB5McIrIyNoAcJbl12tvzw8wyH8A+S/REN97eAeBWuX5BYYOEQ9AQc9P CqqnRKSt5uhGQ3asxOdA =oEem -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Schwarzwald bei Ludwigsburg ?
Am 17. November 2014 14:03 schrieb Florian Schäfer flor...@schaeferban.de: *) das vermutet zumindest Paul Norman so auf osm-dev und verweist auf diesen, mittlerweile gefixten Bug: https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql/issues/67 Auch wenn es nicht dieser Bug sondern ein anderer ist, in den gegenwärtigen Daten und beim Renderstil ist das Problem ziemlich sicher nicht verortet. Danke für den Hinweis, dort lese ich normalerweise nicht mit, habe aber inzwischen auf den Thread dort geantwortet und unter anderem angemerkt, dass ich nicht glaube, dass der genannte Fehler für den Schwarzwald bei Ludwigsburg verantwortlich ist. ja, finde auch, dass dieser spezifische Fehler eher nicht passt, aber so was in der Art könnte es gut sein ;-) Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Erstellung kml-Dateien mit Markern
Hallo, gibt es eine OSM-Seite mit einem Straßenkarte, auf der man - ähnlich wie mit GoogleEarth über einem Luftbild - Marker eintragen kann, diese mit Namen und Beschreibung erweitern kann und letztendlich alles in einer kml-Datei speichern kann? -- mit freundlichen Grüssen Wolfgang Wienke ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Erstellung kml-Dateien mit Markern
Am 17.11.2014 21:42, schrieb Wolfgang Wienke: Hallo, gibt es eine OSM-Seite mit einem Straßenkarte, auf der man - ähnlich wie mit GoogleEarth über einem Luftbild - Marker eintragen kann, diese mit Namen und Beschreibung erweitern kann und letztendlich alles in einer kml-Datei speichern kann? uMap z.B.: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/ VG Klumbumbus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Erstellung kml-Dateien mit Markern
Am 17.11.2014 21:48, schrieb simson.gert...@gmail.com: Am 17.11.2014 21:42, schrieb Wolfgang Wienke: Hallo, gibt es eine OSM-Seite mit einem Straßenkarte, auf der man - ähnlich wie mit GoogleEarth über einem Luftbild - Marker eintragen kann, diese mit Namen und Beschreibung erweitern kann und letztendlich alles in einer kml-Datei speichern kann? uMap z.B.: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/ interessant. Die kannte ich noch nicht. Ich habe bisher mit staticmap etwas gemacht: http://staticmap.openstreetmap.de/wizzard/ die schein aber momentan nicht zu funktionieren, bzw. der wizzard nicht? kml-Export glaube ich nicht. Ich habe die Karten als hardcopy in eine Seite eingebunden. t. VG Klumbumbus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Mobile Apps
2014-11-16 22:02 GMT+01:00 Pratosmart pratosm...@gmail.com: Ciao a tutti ciao allo stato attuale quali sono le migliori app mobile (android e iOS) per fare GPS tracking su OSM? prova anche geopaparazzi (attualmente lo strumento per osm ha un bug e non riesce a caricare i dati sul db, ma per fare tracking va benissimo) Grazie! -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappare casette di legno per la vendita di prodotti locali
Io non mapperei un edificio leggero e provvisorio che è lì solo per cinque mesi. Poi, opening_hours è il tag sbagliato per indicare che qualcosa non c'è per certi periodi. Indica solo che è chiuso o aperto, ma non indica che quando è off sparisce. Poi c'è un altro punto: probabilmente non saranno nello stesso preciso punto ogni anno. Volker Il giorno 16 novembre 2014 08:17, Paolo Monegato gato.selvad...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 14/11/2014 18:34, Giuseppe Bilotta ha scritto: 2014-11-14 16:49 GMT+01:00 Mauro Costantini maurocostantini1...@gmail.com: Il 11 novembre 2014 12:20, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: un kiosk è un building type ben definito, Il 13 novembre 2014 10:17, Paolo Monegato gato.selvad...@gmail.com ha scritto: Credo intendesse building=kiosk, Il valore kiosk per la chiave building non ha alcuna documentazione. La proposta di questo nuovo tag è sicuramente interessante; prima però mi guarderei un po' attorno: Su taginfo ci sono un migliaio di occorrenze di quel tag in tutto il mondo; overpass-turbo ci dice che un terzo di esse sono in Italia. Che caratteristiche dovrebbe avere un edificio per essere kiosk? Esattamente quelle che in italiano avrebbe per essere definito chiosco: piccolo edificio, in genere autonomo, per la vendita di bibite/giornali/tabacchi/etc. Quoto. I miei pensieri sulla questione: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Gbilotta/Kiosks Dovresti esporli in lista Tag internazionale. Credo troveresti molti sostenitori. Ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Import Civici Biella
Ciao, 2014-11-16 23:58 GMT+01:00 Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com: Ciao Andrea, sto tentando di usare il tuo script con i nomi delle vie della Toscana ma sembra esserci qualche problema. Ho trasformato il dbf in csv in QGIS (grazie sabas per il suggerimento!) e ho modificato il tuo script py in questo modo: [...] Non capisco dove possa essere il problema. Suggerimenti? Per capirci qualcosa mi servirebbe anche il file csv. Metti entrambi da qualche parte su internet. Dato che ci sto prendendo gusto sugli import dei civici ho iniziato ad analizzare qualche altro comune. Ad esempio, Anzola dell'Emilia e Vicenza pubblicano gli shp dei civici. Credo che il sistema più facile da usare per normalizzare i nomi delle vie sia: 1. usare ogr2osm e fare la conversione shp-osm 2. estrarre i nomi dall'shp (avendo cura di evitare di estrarre duplicati), normalizzarli e metterli in un file csv [con script] 3. correggere i nomi a mano sul csv 4. correggere i nomi nel file osm prendendoli dal csv [con script] In questo modo si evita di dover processare file shp che usano chiavi sempre differenti e si rende il processo standard. Per il momento è quasi tutto nella mia testa, dopo l'import di Biella, magari mi applico concretamente :) Ciao, Andrea ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Import Civici Biella
Il 16/11/2014 09:43, Federico Cortese ha scritto: Non conosco le zone di cui si parla, ma in provincia di Lecce i confini ISTAT sono paurosamente imprecisi. I dati che si trovano in quella fonte (ARPA Piemonte) non sono i confini ISTAT ma quelli della CTR Piemonte. ciao Paolo M ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Utilizzo di OSM all'interno di programmi di grafica vettoriale
2014-11-13 20:02 GMT+01:00 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: Quindi praticamente c'è sempre un coso in mezzo per trasformare i dati OSM in un qualcosa di digeribile da Illustrator o altri programmi di grafica vettoriale no, come ti scrivevo sopra: osm2ai di Richard F. non ha bisogno di altri cosi. D'altro canto se usi un tool troppo basilare non avrai multipoligoni, route relations ecc. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappare casette di legno per la vendita di prodotti locali
Ciao Volker, Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM From: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com Io non mapperei un edificio leggero e provvisorio che è lì solo per cinque mesi. Perché? Capisco l'inutilità di mappare per esempio i Mercatini di Natale, che rimangono da fine novembre a fine dicembre (1 mese, giorno più, giorno meno), ma qualcosa che rimanga per quasi metà dell'anno penso debba essere mappato. La differenza, secondo me, è che, mentre i Mercatini sono legati ad un preciso evento (il Natale) e quindi sono delle installazioni temporanee a tutti gli effetti, le casette di legno, che vorrei mappare, sono semi-permanenti. Poi, opening_hours è il tag sbagliato per indicare che qualcosa non c'è per certi periodi. Indica solo che è chiuso o aperto, ma non indica che quando è off sparisce.Poi c'è un altro punto: probabilmente non saranno nello stesso preciso punto ogni anno. Ti do ragione sul tag opening_hours, che anche secondo me non è adatto a indicare la presenza effettiva del building per cinque mesi, ma hai torto sull'ultima parte della frase. Sono ormai alcuni anni che le casette di legno vengono posizionate sempre negli stessi identici punti. Volker -- Matteo Quatrida GNU/Linux User #498939 OpenStreetMap Contributor since 2009 «Be GREEN and keep it on your SCREEN!» ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappare casette di legno per la vendita di prodotti locali
2014-11-17 10:09 GMT+01:00 Matteo Quatrida matteo.quatr...@linuxmail.org: Ciao Volker, Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM From: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com Io non mapperei un edificio leggero e provvisorio che è lì solo per cinque mesi. Perché? +1, mappiamo delle cose molto più efemere di un edificio leggero ;-) Capisco l'inutilità di mappare per esempio i Mercatini di Natale, che rimangono da fine novembre a fine dicembre (1 mese, giorno più, giorno meno), e comunque è prassi in Germania di farlo (lo vedo anch'io un po' con ambiguità), come anche gli alberi di maggio (Maibaum http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maibaum ) ma qualcosa che rimanga per quasi metà dell'anno penso debba essere mappato. +1 La differenza, secondo me, è che, mentre i Mercatini sono legati ad un preciso evento (il Natale) e quindi sono delle installazioni temporanee a tutti gli effetti, le casette di legno, che vorrei mappare, sono semi-permanenti. o forse si potrebbe dire stagionali? Per esempio si mappano anche le piste da sci, ma non sono presenti per tutto l'anno (al meno per la maggiorparte non sono utilizzabili durante tutto l'anno). Concordo che opening_hours non è il massimo di tagging per indicare che sparisca. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappare casette di legno per la vendita di prodotti locali
Un commento a caldo: Il fatto che in Germania mappano tutto e con ottima precisione, anche se molto delle cose sono molto effimeri, come dice Martin, per me non è un buon argomento. Non vedo perché dobbiamo seguire questo cattivo esempio. Da noi tanta roba di base non è ancora mappata o è mappata male. Concentriamoci su questo. So che mi ripeto, ma c'è sempre da considerare che siamo in pochi per la mole di dati che mettiamo nella mappa, col risultato che i dati marciscono rapidamente e con questo, la qualità e reputazione della mappa. Anche se non c'entra direttamente con le casette di legno, date un occhiata alla mia presentazione OSMIT 2014 Cicloturista nel paese delle meraviglie di OSM : http://conf.openstreetmap.it/materiale-da-osmit14/ Buon divertimento! Volker Il giorno 17 novembre 2014 10:36, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2014-11-17 10:09 GMT+01:00 Matteo Quatrida matteo.quatr...@linuxmail.org : Ciao Volker, Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM From: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com Io non mapperei un edificio leggero e provvisorio che è lì solo per cinque mesi. Perché? +1, mappiamo delle cose molto più efemere di un edificio leggero ;-) Capisco l'inutilità di mappare per esempio i Mercatini di Natale, che rimangono da fine novembre a fine dicembre (1 mese, giorno più, giorno meno), e comunque è prassi in Germania di farlo (lo vedo anch'io un po' con ambiguità), come anche gli alberi di maggio (Maibaum http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maibaum ) ma qualcosa che rimanga per quasi metà dell'anno penso debba essere mappato. +1 La differenza, secondo me, è che, mentre i Mercatini sono legati ad un preciso evento (il Natale) e quindi sono delle installazioni temporanee a tutti gli effetti, le casette di legno, che vorrei mappare, sono semi-permanenti. o forse si potrebbe dire stagionali? Per esempio si mappano anche le piste da sci, ma non sono presenti per tutto l'anno (al meno per la maggiorparte non sono utilizzabili durante tutto l'anno). Concordo che opening_hours non è il massimo di tagging per indicare che sparisca. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappare casette di legno per la vendita di prodotti locali
2014-11-17 11:04 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Un commento a caldo: Il fatto che in Germania mappano tutto e con ottima precisione, anche se molto delle cose sono molto effimeri, come dice Martin, per me non è un buon argomento. +1 ;-) ... Da noi tanta roba di base non è ancora mappata o è mappata male. Concentriamoci su questo. So che mi ripeto, ma c'è sempre da considerare che siamo in pochi per la mole di dati che mettiamo nella mappa, col risultato che i dati marciscono rapidamente e con questo, la qualità e reputazione della mappa. si, però non parliamo di una cosa che oggi c'è e domani la smontano, parliamo di edifici leggeri per la vendità di prodotti che ci stanno per quasi la metà dell'anno. Non vedo alcun problema di mappare questi con dei tags adatti. Poi come sempre vale che ciascuno mappa ciò che vuole/che lo interessa. Non abbiamo mai seguite regole del tipo: non puoi mappare il sentiero perché accanto manca ancora l'autostrada. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] [ERA]: mappare casette di legno per la vendita di prodotti locali
2014-11-17 11:04 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Anche se non c'entra direttamente con le casette di legno, date un occhiata alla mia presentazione OSMIT 2014 Cicloturista nel paese delle meraviglie di OSM : http://conf.openstreetmap.it/materiale-da-osmit14/ Buon divertimento! che piacere leggerla! ce ne vorrebbero di persone che la pensino come noi, avremo una mappa più scarna ma sicuramente più affidabile. Volker -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [ERA]: mappare casette di legno per la vendita di prodotti locali
2014-11-17 11:22 GMT+01:00 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: di OSM : http://conf.openstreetmap.it/materiale-da-osmit14/ Buon divertimento! che piacere leggerla! ce ne vorrebbero di persone che la pensino come noi, avremo una mappa più scarna ma sicuramente più affidabile. +1 per le tracce GPX strane: probabilmente derivano da semplificazioni oppure da registrazioni con pochi punti per tempo / percorso oppure da ricevitori non buoni o non ancora configurati (senza fix GPS). La mia soluzione personale è quella di visualizzare conessioni tra i punti GPX soltanto per tracce locali e di ingrandire i punti di GPX (doppia grandezza con un colore verde acceso). Se un utente ha registrato in maniera regolare (ogni secondo per esempio) vedrai comunque la continuità della sua traccia (al meno che non ci sono talmente tanti che non importa comunque) ed altrimenti (solo pochi punti per traccia) non ti cambia niente perché con pochi punti non ci fai comunque niente (al meno in un setting urbano come quello del tuo screenshot). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mobile Apps
OsmAnd anch'io. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Mobile-Apps-tp5824537p5824584.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mobile Apps
Il giorno 17 novembre 2014 09:00, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2014-11-16 22:02 GMT+01:00 Pratosmart pratosm...@gmail.com: Ciao a tutti ciao allo stato attuale quali sono le migliori app mobile (android e iOS) per fare GPS tracking su OSM? prova anche geopaparazzi (attualmente lo strumento per osm ha un bug e non riesce a caricare i dati sul db, ma per fare tracking va benissimo) +1 Io uso solo Geopaparazzi quando mappo Grazie! -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Import Civici Biella
Andrea Musuruane wrote Credo che il sistema più facile da usare per normalizzare i nomi delle vie sia: 1. usare ogr2osm e fare la conversione shp-osm 2. estrarre i nomi dall'shp (avendo cura di evitare di estrarre duplicati), normalizzarli e metterli in un file csv [con script] 3. correggere i nomi a mano sul csv 4. correggere i nomi nel file osm prendendoli dal csv [con script] In Friuli Venezia Giulia, stiamo lavorando in mysql: - importato la tabellona di circa 433.000 record dello shp regionale in un database ispezionabile qui [1] - costruito una query con nomi problematici (numeri romani, abbreviazioni, accenti...) eliminando i duplicati (select distinct) - pubblicato la tabella risultante [2] (1.600 record) per il crowd editing al momento mancano circa 250 record , prevalentemente personaggi che le amministrazioni hanno registrato abbreviando il nome proprio. Il passo successivo sarà reinserire nel tabellone intero le modifiche ed iniziare i vari ogr2osm dove di si cureranno in modo automatico supervisionato i maiuscoli/minuscoli e la conflation. Credo che creare a migliorare la query dei civici problematici possa essere utile per eventuali nuove release regionali (a meno che non recepiscano i consigli ISTAT, in tal caso problema risolto per tutti). Poi c'è il fatto che si può lavorare in più persone senza lock reciproci o sovrapposizioni, rispetto a modificare un csv condiviso. [1] http://lampone.ddns.net:8064/index.php/numeri-civici [2] http://lampone.ddns.net/index.php/rafvg-distinct - -- cascafico.altervista.org twitter.com/cascafico -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Import-Civici-Biella-tp5823953p5824589.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] internet_access:wlan:key=type_here_your_password
2014-11-14 17:47 GMT+01:00 Matteo Quatrida matteo.quatr...@linuxmail.org: Mi sono quindi domandato se anche OpenStreetMap riporti le password delle reti Wi-Fi che si conoscono (legalmente o illegalmente) in maniera simile ed eventuali controindicazioni nel introdurle nel database OSM con un tag specifico. La mia ricerca si è fermata alla key internet_access:wlan:key=... che ha ben 15 occorrenze in tutto il mondo, ma mi sembra strano che non vi siano altri tag con occorrenze maggiori. Cosa ne pensate? Sia del tag, sia del discorso liceità o meno: è OSM responsabile dell'inserimento di una password di una rete Wi-Fi, senza il preventivo consenso del titolare, o la responsabilità ricade integralmente sul Contributor? penso che lo scopo della password è quello di non far accedere chiunque (al meno che non si tratta di una password creata per pretendere di aver cercato di non far accedere chiunque, vuol dire aggirare qualche legge), e quindi pubblicarla non dovrebbe essere nel interesse di chi ha messo la password. Sbaglio a dire che anche su Foursquare la responsabilità ricade su chi le inserisce, per l'inserimento, e su chi le usa, per mancanza di autorizzazione? questo credo dipende dalla giurisdizione in quale si trova il servizio (=Londra per OSM) e forse anche quella dove si trova l'utente che inserisce il dato. In generale sei risponsabile te, quando inserisci una cosa in OSM, però potrebbe essere che la diffussione (i.e. OSMF) crea ulteriori risponsabilità. IANAL, ma credo che per la OSMF dovrebbe essere sufficiente di reagire quando qualcuno fa presente un problema, non credo che devono andare loro a cercare i problemi nei loro dati, ma visto alcune sentenze strane del passato (chi ha un web blog è responsabile dei commenti sul suo blog e li deve controllare _prima_ di pubblicarli, al meno in Germania) non mi stupirebbe troppo se non fosse così. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] SplashMaps: esempio interessante di OSS e riuso OSM e altri opendata
http://www.splash-maps.com/splashmaps-international-european-launch/ Lo stack tecnologico (non so se tutto o parte) è stato sviluppato da Arnulf Christl [1] [2] . I dati sono OSM e open Ordance Survey. [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Arnulf_Christl [2] http://www.splash-maps.com/splashmaps-open-principles-get-rewarded/ pg ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Diminuzione Tag totali wikipedia
Utilizzo con entusiasmo il tool http://geodati.fmach.it/gfoss_geodata/osm/wtosm/it_IT/ e per questo ringrazio gli sviluppatori per l'ottimo lavoro messo a disposizione. Una domanda: cosa vuol dire quando leggo per esempio il NOV 16 Tag totali -36? - che si son persi 36 link da osm verso wikipedia causa modifiche del titolo in wikipedia; - che qualcuno ha cancellato 36 link verso wikipedia. Chiedo cio' perche' mi sembra strano un calo del genere in un giorno solo, e di recente e' gia' successo il NOV 11 con una diff di -21... Grazie. -- Marco_T -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Diminuzione-Tag-totali-wikipedia-tp5824663.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-es] acequia
Hola, Estoy editando algunas acequias en los alrededores de Zaragoza y aún no tengo muy claro si debo usar waterway=canal ó waterway=ditch ¿Se llegó a algún consenso en ocasiones anteriores? ¿Alguien podría ayudarme? En este momento una rivera del Gállego aparece con canal y la otra con ditch... y estoy penando en homogeneizarlo. Gracias Miguel msevilla00 2012-04-05 10:50 GMT+02:00 Agustin Diez Castillo agustind...@gmail.com: Creo que lo suyo sería proponer acequia en osm. Es una palabra que se usa en inglés para referirse a una acequia [1], las demás propuestas las encuentro misleading y no se acercan a los que es una acequia. Ditch [2] podría servir pero también se usa para otras cosas, acequia es mucho más bonito; drain [3] una alcantarilla y ningún anglófono entenderá por ellas irrigation channel. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acequia [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ditch [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drain Agustin Am 05/04/2012 um 10:21 schrieb Jan Esquerra jan.esque...@gmail.com: pues precisamente 'ditch' es un canal de drenaje http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dditch yo uso: waterway=canal service=irrigation width=xx y si es el caso se le pueden añadir mas atributos (tunnel=culvert, intermittent=yes, surface=concrete, etc) El 5 d’abril de 2012 9:23, Benjamín Valero Espinosa benjaval...@gmail.com ha escrit: El 4 de abril de 2012 22:02, sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com escribió: mira http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Map_Features#Waterway_.28V.C3.ADas_de_agua_y_portuarias.29 yo voto por drain http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Ddrain Parece que aquí la clave está en el uso de la acequia y no en sus características físicas. En mi zona (sudeste español) casi todas las acequias son para regadío y la mayoría están recubiertas por cemento o algo parecido, no sólo tierra. Aún así las etiqueto con ditch. De hecho, la wiki dice generalmente sin recubrimiento, así que creo que cumple la descripción. En cambio, drain es para drenaje. Creo que esto se refiere a muchas vías que van paralelas a carreteras (algunas realmente anchas o profundas) cuya finalidad es exclusivamente la recogida del agua de las lluvias. Yo al menos lo hago así: drain para recogida de aguas fluviales, ditch para acequias de regadío y canal para acequias más anchas (que no se puedan saltar, jeje). ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] LUGT/OSM-Stammtisch Innsbruck am 20. November 2014
Servus! Wir möchten zum nächsten gemeinsamen LUGT-/OSM-Stammtisch einladen: am Donnerstag, 20. November 2014 um 19:00 Uhr im Restaurant Kastanie Innsbrucker Straße 4, 6176 Völs Wir freuen uns auf ein zahlreiches Erscheinen! Die Einladung ist wie immer auch auf der LUGT-Webseite und im OSM-Wiki zu finden: http://www.lugt.at/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Innsbruck/Stammtisch Grüße Simon ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] appuntamento mensile?
2014-11-17 9:25 GMT+01:00 pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it: Quindi, che si fa? Io sinceramente - non me ne voglia Marco - propenderei per tener fisso mercoledì, dato che avevamo già un po' di adesioni... +1 In caso bisognerebbe trovare una sede e magari fare una piccola scaletta? per questo possiamo di nuovo utilizzare un bar e poi dalla prossima trovare una vera location.. Ciao ciao Pietro -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] appuntamento mensile?
2014-11-17 11:08 GMT+01:00 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: PS: il terzo mercoledì di novembre è domani. Visto che l'ultimo incontro è stato il secondo mercoledì di novembre, forse si può proporre il secondo mercoledì di ogni mese invece che il terzo. quindi dopodomani non ci si vede? ...allora ne approfitto per andare a conoscere linuxtrent e GAS cadine... -- -S ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] appuntamento mensile?
2014-11-17 14:06 GMT+01:00 Matteo Quatrida matteo.quatr...@linuxmail.org: Ciao Dario, certo che è possibile, tuttavia penso sia prima necessario che il gruppo più numeroso (credo Trento e dintorni), si conosca e si organizzi in città. non credo si corretto ciò, se Dario (come ha già fatto in precedenza) vuole organizzare qualcosa ben venga, abbiamo organizzato diversi eventi anche quando non ci riunivamo costantemente Poi sarà sicuramente più facile trovare chi è disposto a raggiungere le valli, diffondere il progetto, mostrare presentazioni, organizzare attività e ampliare la rete di Contributors OSM. Lo faccio (così come altri in questa lista) da 8 anni senza che esistesse un gruppo formale di mappatori trentini/liguri/italiani Se c'è la disponibilità da parte di qualcuno a iniziare una programmazione in questo senso, ben venga già da adesso! Cosa intendi per programmazione? -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
[Talk-pt] Dados da CAOP e import
Olá Marcos, olá a todos, Não gosto de fazer este tipo de email, e gosto ainda menos fazer-lo numa lista publica. Percebo que queres que os limites administrativos de Portugal estejam no OSM, muito bem e não posso impedir-te. Se estás a colocar alguns limites com metodologia e precaução com os dados existentes, tudo bem. Pelo contrario se quiseres importar *tudo* diria que isto tem que ser discutido nesta lista e quando digo discutir não é só dizer que vais o fazer mais *como* vais o fazer e só *depois* de ter o teu plano definido é que podes o fazer. Infelizmente não partilhaste o teu plano com o resto da comunidade, é por isso que faço este email e vou fazer um resumo dos pontos que me parece importante do teu trabalho com a tua conta de import : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import 1) Temos aqui um apagamento *sistemático* das relações existentes : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26660086 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26757923 2) Os ways da fronteira espanhola também foram apagadas : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26662574 E novos ways com o desenho da CAOP só para mudar a fronteira neste changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26665216 Também outra fronteira alterada aqui : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26822965 E fica para os outros (obrigado fx99) corrigir os teus erros no lado espanhol : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/348988/history Penso que, no mínimo, era normal ter uma discussão antes de alterar a fronteira em larga escala e envolver também o nosso vizinho. Não fizeste nenhuma concertação, nem em Portugal, nem em Espanha. A fronteira pode não estar certa, más não tens o direito de apagar e colocar o que te agrada mais. 3) Parece também que não te agrada pessoas que usam área com tag place=hamlet : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/224542874/history (no changeset 26665576) Ou aldeias em nó como por exemplo Alturas do Barroso (apagado e criado de novo) : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/434451714/history - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3178200762/history Corresponde ao changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26678692 e criado de novo com : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26678954 4) Tenho que fazer um assunto separado porque é um tema importante, várias aldeias (place=hamlet ou place=village) apagadas : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26764149 Só para poder colocar de novo aqui : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26764456 Ainda mais aldeias apagadas : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26761877 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26764149 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26778739 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26801619 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26831663 Outro caso com o exemplo de Vila Boas, apagado no changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26768293 e recolocado em : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26769042 Nem guardaste o nome em russo : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1236321258/history Nem colocaste o link wikipedia correto : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3185651505 5) Também os parque naturais não escaparam. O parque natural do douro : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4200729/history Que foi criado no changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26827136 Sabendo que já existia uma relação : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2669734/history Que apagaste antes em : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26826549) O parque natural do Alvão que transformaste numa relação más nao quiseste guardar nem o way nem os nós originais : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26037048 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24456425/history O Parque Natural do Litoral Norte, apagaste no changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26827502 Para ser colocado de novo com uma relaçao : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26827560 Pior no parque Parque Nacional da Peneda-Gerês : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26031660 Apagar a relação : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2383411 Para colocar a relação : http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4106760/history Isto tudo no mesmo changeset ! Sabendo que escreveste-me uma mensagem a 2 semanas a perguntar-me se o trabalho que estou a desenvolver para fazer a conflation dos dados CAOP com os dados OSM ia por em risco os dados já importados, é **inaceitável** a maneira como apagaste os dados já existentes e por isso considero isto como vandalismo. Faço o contacto com o Data Working Group já a seguir. Francisco ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
Re: [Talk-pt] Dados da CAOP e import
Concordo totalmente com o que o Francisco referiu, e gostaria de salientar a importância que temos sempre dado a esta lista, de modo a ser um meio de comunicação de alterações significativas na minha opinião de excelência. Não é o único, mas quem quer fazer alterações em massa (como imports), tem que catalizar o apoio dentro do possível dos meios existentes para contacto com a comunidade. Gostava de aproveitar esta situação para alertar de forma pedagógica que é preciso ter muito cuidado com os imports. Se bem se lembram já há relativamente pouco tempo reportei uma situação que, embora não exactamente igual, envolvia um utilizador do lado de espanha fez uma importação de pontos de interesse e as chatices que deu (ficando POI replicados e fora do sítio). Gostava salientar, que acho talvez mais crítico os eventuais deletes de Hamlets. Marcos, eu até compreendia, que se tivesses informação privilegiada de um ponto do mapa não ser hamlet e ser uma village, chegares e mudar. Mas apagar é remover detalhe precioso do mapa, que por vezes é a única forma de certas aldeia (esquecidas por provedores proprietários) têm de aparecer num mapa e terem visibilidade. Lembra-te também que estás a eliminar trabalho que pessoas que no seu tempo livre e por vezes com tempo limitado, tiraram para tornar o mapa melhor. Espero que interpretes este email como pedagógico (é o seu intuito). Afinal somos uma comunidade, e apesar de todos sermos diferentes, no final todos temos que nos entender. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:32 AM, f.dos.san...@free.fr wrote: Olá Marcos, olá a todos, Não gosto de fazer este tipo de email, e gosto ainda menos fazer-lo numa lista publica. Percebo que queres que os limites administrativos de Portugal estejam no OSM, muito bem e não posso impedir-te. Se estás a colocar alguns limites com metodologia e precaução com os dados existentes, tudo bem. Pelo contrario se quiseres importar *tudo* diria que isto tem que ser discutido nesta lista e quando digo discutir não é só dizer que vais o fazer mais *como* vais o fazer e só *depois* de ter o teu plano definido é que podes o fazer. Infelizmente não partilhaste o teu plano com o resto da comunidade, é por isso que faço este email e vou fazer um resumo dos pontos que me parece importante do teu trabalho com a tua conta de import : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import 1) Temos aqui um apagamento *sistemático* das relações existentes : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26660086 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26757923 2) Os ways da fronteira espanhola também foram apagadas : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26662574 E novos ways com o desenho da CAOP só para mudar a fronteira neste changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26665216 Também outra fronteira alterada aqui : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26822965 E fica para os outros (obrigado fx99) corrigir os teus erros no lado espanhol : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/348988/history Penso que, no mínimo, era normal ter uma discussão antes de alterar a fronteira em larga escala e envolver também o nosso vizinho. Não fizeste nenhuma concertação, nem em Portugal, nem em Espanha. A fronteira pode não estar certa, más não tens o direito de apagar e colocar o que te agrada mais. 3) Parece também que não te agrada pessoas que usam área com tag place=hamlet : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/224542874/history (no changeset 26665576) Ou aldeias em nó como por exemplo Alturas do Barroso (apagado e criado de novo) : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/434451714/history - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3178200762/history Corresponde ao changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26678692 e criado de novo com : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26678954 4) Tenho que fazer um assunto separado porque é um tema importante, várias aldeias (place=hamlet ou place=village) apagadas : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26764149 Só para poder colocar de novo aqui : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26764456 Ainda mais aldeias apagadas : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26761877 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26764149 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26778739 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26801619 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26831663 Outro caso com o exemplo de Vila Boas, apagado no changeset : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26768293 e recolocado em : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26769042 Nem guardaste o nome em russo : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1236321258/history Nem colocaste o link wikipedia correto : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3185651505 5) Também os parque naturais não escaparam. O parque natural do douro : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4200729/history Que foi criado no changeset : -
Re: [Talk-pt] Dados da CAOP e import
Francisco, Rui e a todos os restantes membros da talk-pt, Admito desde já a minha total e plena culpa por tudo que me foi dito pelo Francisco, tudo que ele reporta é verídico tal como podem comprovar pelas changesets da minha conta de importação. Peço só que me deixem argumentar um pouco em minha defesa, não para me declarar inocente, mas sim para vos mostrar, com a total e máxima transparência, a razão pela qual cometi tal vandalismo involuntário. Responderei a cada ponto apresentado pelo Francisco, assim como dar à comunidade formas que eu faria para reparar a maior quantidade de vandalismo feita por mim. 1. Relativamente ao apagamento de relações existentes assim como os parque naturais: Quando comecei a importar os limites administrativos, a 12 de setembro, tentei sempre usar os limites existentes pelo que apenas adicionava ao trabalho de outras pessoas. O que aconteceu foi que, depois de validado tudo o que estava presente, apareciam, sempre, uma imensidão de conflitos, por vezes na ordem das centenas de conflitos. Eu não queria danificar elementos que não fossem os limites, por isso optei, e *sem primeiro falar com a comunidade*, por apagar os limites e relações presentes, anteriormente colocadas por outros contribuidores. Desta maneira evitei (a meu ver) causar qualquer conflito com quaisquer outro tipos de elementos e, desta forma, apagar elementos que eu mais tarde nunca poderia arranjar. Só há pouco tempo é que tomei conhecimento da ferramenta replace geometry do plugin *utilsplugin2*, pelo que agora nunca mais irei apagar quaisquer relações/ways presentes Tinha planeado, depois de completa a importação dos limites, fazer a limpeza da mesma ao atribuir a ways como, por exemplo: rios, estradas, etc. que fossem comuns ao limite administrativo. 2. Relativamente à modificação/apagamento das ways que faziam fronteira com Espanha: Enquanto importava em regiões raianos, não deixei de reparar que havia vários sítios onde a fronteira estava exageradamente deformada, por vezes com território que devia ser nosso (ou deles) a centenas de metros de onde deveriam estar. O que fiz foi então (novamente, não queria causar conflitos com elementos existentes) apagar as ways e trocar-las por novas que seguem os dados da CAOP 2014 assim como todos os *dados que a way tinha antes de ser apagada*. Outra vez, na minha ignorância, não achei que fosse importante falar com a comunidade porque estava com a certeza assumida que tinha verificado as relações de Portugal e Espanha à procura se causei ou não algum erro. O incidente que o Francisco apontou e que o fx99 felizmente arranjou, o do limite da Peneda-Gerês com Espanha, foi culpa técnica. Quando usei o overpass-turbo para descarregar a relação de Portugal, utilizando-a para substituir o way fronteiriço do Parque Nacional (que estava sobreposto à fronteira), aquilo não descarregou as relações de Espanha, pelo que depois quando fui validar não apontava erro. 3. Relativamente às aldeias apagadas: Apaguei as aldeias, não porque não gostava delas, mas porque tinha a suspeita de que eram dados retirados do gpspostcode (licença não compatível com OSM) ou do Google já que vários hamlets batiam certo, à coordenada, a localização das mesmas e, outra vez, não falei com a comunidade portuguesa sobre esta situação. Eu tenho familiares em Vila Real, portanto para futuramente colmatar a situação pedi-lhes se sabiam o nome dos lugares da Murça, eles mais tarde deram-me e eu prontamente registrei-os novamente no OSM https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6. Tendo argumentado em minha defesa, deixo também explicito o que eu posso fazer para arranjar esta situação, já que considero que o vandalismo não devia ser corrigido por outra pessoa que não o mesmo. - Posso reverter as limpezas feitas nas aldeias, limites e relações ou com o JOSM ou com a função do Potlatch 1 de ver elementos apagados. Por mais tempo que demore eu restaurarei tudo. - Posso também parar de importar, reverter tudo o que a minha conta fez e nunca mais importar como castigo pelo vandalismo que fiz, se a comunidade assim decidir. Concluindo, quero deixar bem claro que o que mais quero *é ajudar, não prejudicar*. Rogo-vos que me perdoem pelo vandalismo que eu causei e que me dêem outra oportunidade para me integrar na comunidade. Eu adoraria ajudar na importação dos limites administrativos, ainda mais depois do diário sobre como Portugal é um dos países onde existe mais falta deles https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/26259, mas se a comunidade assim desejar, aceito as consequências do vandalismo de reverter tudo o que fiz. Peço desculpa a todos, nunca mais voltará a repetir-se. No dia 18 de Novembro de 2014 às 02:15, Rui Oliveira racoqs...@gmail.com escreveu: Concordo totalmente com o que o Francisco referiu, e gostaria de salientar a importância que temos sempre dado a esta lista, de modo a ser um meio de comunicação de alterações significativas na
[Talk-lv] shkjiibs terplaans ?
saliidzinaam shiis 4 eekas ar binga foto : http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/57.09583/24.55755 taadas tur nav, un arii liidziigaa izmeeraa netaalu nekaa nav. tas ir vienkaarshi kljuudains terplaans vai ir kaadi citi mineejumi ? varbuut vienkaarshi jaanes nost ? (bish zemaak arii dazhas diivainas un neatbilst foto) -- Rich ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
Il y a actuellement un peu de bruit sur talk.ca pour faire renaître les importations CanVec. Il ne faut pas. Les importations CanVec (et les importateurs CanVec) sont responsables de plusieurs problèmes: - ils ont fait fuir plusieurs contributeurs OSM (explications plus loin). - des données désuètes ont remplacé des données à jour. - des données imprécises ont remplacé des données précises. - CanVec a introduit des erreurs de modélisation en imposant dans OSM le concept de tuile plutôt qu'en respectant celui de l'objet. - CanVec a un mauvais traitement des objets chemin (ou rue). Il n'y a pas de nom (du moins au Québec) et il y a un segment pour chaque pâté de maison. Cela n'a pas de sens dans plus de 90% des cas. Les importateurs CanVec n'ont pas suivi les guidelines OSM et ont agi en solitaire. Ils ont agi en utilisant la stratégie tabula rasa et ont effacé tout un territoire pour faire place à leur importation. Des dizaines (centaines, milliers?) de contributeurs en ont été frustrés et ont cessé de collaborer à OSM. Les importateurs qui n'ont pas fait tabula rasa ont créé un problème de duplicata. Des lacs existants ont maintenant un doublon dont la qualité est douteuse. On n'a qu'à regarder dans les Laurentides. Un lac situé sur une fontière de tuiles se verra découpé en 2, 3 ou 4 parties. Ce lac sera défini pas les zones inner de plusieurs relations et il devient difficile de fusionner ces entités volumineuses. Deux cas possibles: - on ne fait rien et on laisse la carte dans un piteux état. - on détruit les méga-relations de CanVec et on recommence. Dans les 2 cas, la valeur ajoutée par CanVec est discutable. Mon intention n'est pas d'affirmer que CanVec n'a que des torts. Grâce à CanVec, nous avons: - plus de rues - les adresses (addr:interpolation) - la forêt (natural:wood) Malheureusement: - la façon dont CanVec traite les rues demande beaucoup de travail aux contributeurs qui veulent fusionner tous les segments de rues. - les lacs ne devraient pas faire partie des relations de forêt car les renderer d'OSM ont pour règle que les lacs sont au-dessus de la couche de base. Mes recommandations aux importateurs CanVec (si CanVec renaît): - n'importer que dans les zones où il n'y a pas de contributeur (Nunavut par exemple) - impliquer les contributeurs s'il y en a - laisser les rues et routes aux contributeurs OSM - bravo pour les adresses - ne pas tenir compte des lacs ou des chemins dans les contours de tuiles - ne pas importer un lac s'il existe déjà dans OSM. Il est probable qu'il a été dessiné à partir d'un imagerie (Bing, Yahoo, ...) qui est plus précise que que les données CanVec faites à partir des données d'un satellite désuet. Pour le dynamisme et la pérennité d'OSM dega ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
On 2014-Nov-17, at 1:53 PM, Ga Delap gade...@gmail.com wrote: Il y a actuellement un peu de bruit sur talk.ca pour faire renaître les importations CanVec. Il ne faut pas. Unfortunately, though I can read French, I can only speak or write English properly, but wanted to weigh in on this discussion. As someone who has imported a fair bit of Canvec data, I wanted to weigh in on this. Though Canvec data has some issues involved in importing into OSM that people should be aware of, I think that it does far more good than harm if treated properly. All data from Canvec (or any source for that matter) should be inspected carefully before importing into OSM - using satellite imagery for verification, for instance. And in particular, any data from Canvec that is replacing existing data in OSM should be considered very carefully and with a high degree of suspicion, as in most cases (though not all), our existing OSM data is superior. But with that said, there are a lot of pieces of data from Canvec that we don't have in OSM and should be added - more streets, addresses, and forest areas, as you mentioned - especially if they're verified by overlaying satellite imagery. I'd add to that list hydrography. In particular, smaller streams and lakes in my part of Canada tend not to exist at all in OSM, and adding them from Canvec adds data where there otherwise was none. It's usually best to leave the larger lakes and rivers that already exist alone, though perhaps adding a bit more detail to their shorelines. In my experience, probably about 90% of the data in Canvec (particularly non man-made features) that is not already in OSM may be worth importing. And similarly, about 90% of the data that is common between the two is best left alone. Some areas of the map in more remote areas don't have any data at all in OSM - in those cases, importing Canvec data particularly adds a huge amount of value. In places like downtown Toronto, probably not so much. I think Canvec data is very valuable for OSM and very strongly support its continued importation, under the condition that whomever is doing it knows some of the issues as you pointed out to ensure they are always making things better instead of worse. Dan --- Dan Charrois President, Syzygy Research Technology Phone: 780-961-2213 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
I don't think the two of you are actually disagreeing at all. Ga Delap just said that the past importers of CanVec data were too haphazard and that there was not enough community consulting. It seems like the quality of the data in Quebec might have been worse than in other places too. (Désolé, je ne parle pas francais bien.) Je ne pense pas que vous differez. Ga Delap a dit seulment que les ancients importateurs de donne CanVec etiez trop négligé est ils n'agissent pas avec la communauté. Il me semble aussi que la qualite de donne quebequois est pire que les autres. On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Dan Charrois d...@syz.com wrote: On 2014-Nov-17, at 1:53 PM, Ga Delap gade...@gmail.com wrote: Il y a actuellement un peu de bruit sur talk.ca pour faire renaître les importations CanVec. Il ne faut pas. Unfortunately, though I can read French, I can only speak or write English properly, but wanted to weigh in on this discussion. As someone who has imported a fair bit of Canvec data, I wanted to weigh in on this. Though Canvec data has some issues involved in importing into OSM that people should be aware of, I think that it does far more good than harm if treated properly. All data from Canvec (or any source for that matter) should be inspected carefully before importing into OSM - using satellite imagery for verification, for instance. And in particular, any data from Canvec that is replacing existing data in OSM should be considered very carefully and with a high degree of suspicion, as in most cases (though not all), our existing OSM data is superior. But with that said, there are a lot of pieces of data from Canvec that we don't have in OSM and should be added - more streets, addresses, and forest areas, as you mentioned - especially if they're verified by overlaying satellite imagery. I'd add to that list hydrography. In particular, smaller streams and lakes in my part of Canada tend not to exist at all in OSM, and adding them from Canvec adds data where there otherwise was none. It's usually best to leave the larger lakes and rivers that already exist alone, though perhaps adding a bit more detail to their shorelines. In my experience, probably about 90% of the data in Canvec (particularly non man-made features) that is not already in OSM may be worth importing. And similarly, about 90% of the data that is common between the two is best left alone. Some areas of the map in more remote areas don't have any data at all in OSM - in those cases, importing Canvec data particularly adds a huge amount of value. In places like downtown Toronto, probably not so much. I think Canvec data is very valuable for OSM and very strongly support its continued importation, under the condition that whomever is doing it knows some of the issues as you pointed out to ensure they are always making things better instead of worse. Dan --- Dan Charrois President, Syzygy Research Technology Phone: 780-961-2213 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: RIP CanVec
Oops, meant to reply to the list, not an individual. :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Adam Martin s.adam.mar...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec To: Alan Trick alantr...@gmail.com I have had some experience regarding the use of Canvec data. I have not tried to import this data myself nor would I try - it is complex enough that I think it is better that I keep my fingers out of it. My experience with Canvec has been limited to correcting the data in areas that I am editing in. I echo the statements of Ga Delep in part - the data, in some areas, has been haphazardly imported with features out of alignment and possible destruction of user contributed data. But on the balance, I think it has been a good information source in the hands of experienced importers. Land features, such as local hills, groves, open landscapes, reefs ... these are excellent pieces of information for the map. It has it's issues - the tiled nature of the data is one problem. Another is the enormous multipolygon relations that result from imports of these areas - they are difficult to modify and correct because of the large size. They might be inaccurate when one compares them to the fine details, but they serve the purpose when there is no other data available. Honestly, I destroy these polygons when I encounter them AND I am in the process of correcting the data where they exist Ensuring the data remains available to these handful of skilled individuals is a good idea, as is ensuring that the community is consulted with the data is being imported. On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Alan Trick alantr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the two of you are actually disagreeing at all. Ga Delap just said that the past importers of CanVec data were too haphazard and that there was not enough community consulting. It seems like the quality of the data in Quebec might have been worse than in other places too. (Désolé, je ne parle pas francais bien.) Je ne pense pas que vous differez. Ga Delap a dit seulment que les ancients importateurs de donne CanVec etiez trop négligé est ils n'agissent pas avec la communauté. Il me semble aussi que la qualite de donne quebequois est pire que les autres. On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Dan Charrois d...@syz.com wrote: On 2014-Nov-17, at 1:53 PM, Ga Delap gade...@gmail.com wrote: Il y a actuellement un peu de bruit sur talk.ca pour faire renaître les importations CanVec. Il ne faut pas. Unfortunately, though I can read French, I can only speak or write English properly, but wanted to weigh in on this discussion. As someone who has imported a fair bit of Canvec data, I wanted to weigh in on this. Though Canvec data has some issues involved in importing into OSM that people should be aware of, I think that it does far more good than harm if treated properly. All data from Canvec (or any source for that matter) should be inspected carefully before importing into OSM - using satellite imagery for verification, for instance. And in particular, any data from Canvec that is replacing existing data in OSM should be considered very carefully and with a high degree of suspicion, as in most cases (though not all), our existing OSM data is superior. But with that said, there are a lot of pieces of data from Canvec that we don't have in OSM and should be added - more streets, addresses, and forest areas, as you mentioned - especially if they're verified by overlaying satellite imagery. I'd add to that list hydrography. In particular, smaller streams and lakes in my part of Canada tend not to exist at all in OSM, and adding them from Canvec adds data where there otherwise was none. It's usually best to leave the larger lakes and rivers that already exist alone, though perhaps adding a bit more detail to their shorelines. In my experience, probably about 90% of the data in Canvec (particularly non man-made features) that is not already in OSM may be worth importing. And similarly, about 90% of the data that is common between the two is best left alone. Some areas of the map in more remote areas don't have any data at all in OSM - in those cases, importing Canvec data particularly adds a huge amount of value. In places like downtown Toronto, probably not so much. I think Canvec data is very valuable for OSM and very strongly support its continued importation, under the condition that whomever is doing it knows some of the issues as you pointed out to ensure they are always making things better instead of worse. Dan --- Dan Charrois President, Syzygy Research Technology Phone: 780-961-2213 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
On 14-11-17 03:53 PM, Ga Delap wrote: - CanVec a introduit des erreurs de modélisation en imposant dans OSM le concept de tuile plutôt qu'en respectant celui de l'objet. Amen to that. Is there any way to de-tile the data? I realise that most of Canada is one giant water relation, but is there a data processing pipeline that can recognize and join up split entities? I'd also be up for running a simplification routine on every way imported (or reimported). While ways can have a maximum number of nodes, they all don't need to have that number, and the original CanVec points aren't sacrosanct. Unless these issues can be carefully addressed, I'm firmly in the “Il ne faut pas” camp. cheers, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
I'm near Lloydminster, Alberta and there is lots of data missing in the area that we use OSM for.I use Canvec to fill in missing data in my area. Canvec data should not be used to override more precise data but there are Geobase imports in my area that are a complete wreck. Some of the roads are so bad that it's significantly less time consuming to just erase the road and reimport versus trying to fix it. I do spend some time with my gps and look for corrections while out driving but in our area we'd have significantly less use for OSM without the Canvec data. Darren Wiebe On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Stewart C. Russell scr...@gmail.com wrote: On 14-11-17 03:53 PM, Ga Delap wrote: - CanVec a introduit des erreurs de modélisation en imposant dans OSM le concept de tuile plutôt qu'en respectant celui de l'objet. Amen to that. Is there any way to de-tile the data? I realise that most of Canada is one giant water relation, but is there a data processing pipeline that can recognize and join up split entities? I'd also be up for running a simplification routine on every way imported (or reimported). While ways can have a maximum number of nodes, they all don't need to have that number, and the original CanVec points aren't sacrosanct. Unless these issues can be carefully addressed, I'm firmly in the “Il ne faut pas” camp. cheers, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] RIP CanVec
On 11/17/2014 5:50 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: Is there any way to de-tile the data? I realise that most of Canada is one giant water relation, but is there a data processing pipeline that can recognize and join up split entities? I looked at this, but it's better to go back to the original sources, particularly now that CanVec is no longer being updated. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-bf] Test 356251F
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Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Ahoj, Dne Čt 13. listopadu 2014 06:39:28, Tomáš Tichý napsal(a): Nedal by se na autentizaci proti OSM serveru použít OAuth? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OAuth Sice to není přímo identity provider, ale na ověření, zda má uživatel platný OSM login by to IMHO stačilo. jo, šlo by to, strávil jsem sice nad tím prakticky všechny tyto 3 volné dny, což jsem docela přehnal, ale funguje. Díky za tip! Otestujte na http://poloha.net OSM login v rámečku pro přihlášení. Také je hotovo vykreslování neplatných budov šedivě, teď tam jsou jen 4 ode mě, http://ruian.poloha.net/neplatne-budovy/ (zase jedna ošklivá tabulka). Zbývá dodělat nějaké inteligentní vkládání, hezčí seznam a výstup pro ČÚZK ;-) -- Petr ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
Super, login funguje. Tak uz dodelat rozumny vkladani a muze se na tom pracovat. Dobra prace! Dne 17. listopadu 2014 18:45 Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz napsal(a): Ahoj, Dne Čt 13. listopadu 2014 06:39:28, Tomáš Tichý napsal(a): Nedal by se na autentizaci proti OSM serveru použít OAuth? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OAuth Sice to není přímo identity provider, ale na ověření, zda má uživatel platný OSM login by to IMHO stačilo. jo, šlo by to, strávil jsem sice nad tím prakticky všechny tyto 3 volné dny, což jsem docela přehnal, ale funguje. Díky za tip! Otestujte na http://poloha.net OSM login v rámečku pro přihlášení. Také je hotovo vykreslování neplatných budov šedivě, teď tam jsou jen 4 ode mě, http://ruian.poloha.net/neplatne-budovy/ (zase jedna ošklivá tabulka). Zbývá dodělat nějaké inteligentní vkládání, hezčí seznam a výstup pro ČÚZK ;-) -- Petr ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] Nová fíčura - kde chybí natrasovat budovy
V první fázi by myslím stačil nějaký jednoduchý formulář, který by se dal zavolat s RUIAN ID. Do PointInfa bych doplnil nějakou ikonku, která by ten link otevřela v prohlížeči. Následně by se to mohlo dále vylepšovat a na konci by pak třeba byla samostatná vrstva s RUIAN problémy v JOSM - alá OSM notes. Marián Dne 17.11.2014 20:14, Radek Kuznik napsal(a): Super, login funguje. Tak uz dodelat rozumny vkladani a muze se na tom pracovat. Dobra prace! Dne 17. listopadu 2014 18:45 Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz mailto:o...@propsychology.cz napsal(a): Ahoj, Dne Čt 13. listopadu 2014 06:39:28, Tomáš Tichý napsal(a): Nedal by se na autentizaci proti OSM serveru použít OAuth? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OAuth Sice to není přímo identity provider, ale na ověření, zda má uživatel platný OSM login by to IMHO stačilo. jo, šlo by to, strávil jsem sice nad tím prakticky všechny tyto 3 volné dny, což jsem docela přehnal, ale funguje. Díky za tip! Otestujte na http://poloha.net OSM login v rámečku pro přihlášení. Také je hotovo vykreslování neplatných budov šedivě, teď tam jsou jen 4 ode mě, http://ruian.poloha.net/neplatne-budovy/ (zase jedna ošklivá tabulka). Zbývá dodělat nějaké inteligentní vkládání, hezčí seznam a výstup pro ČÚZK ;-) -- Petr ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Miases à jour BANO interrompues
Salut Vincent, Ici, je n'ai plus de couche BANO du tout. Stf Le dimanche 16 novembre 2014 09:59:46, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit : Bonjour, les mises à jour de la base qui alimente BANO en données OSM ont été arrêtées hier à mi-journée, pour cause d'espace disque saturé. La conséquence pour aujourd'hui (et sûrement quelques jours à venir) est que les tuiles du rendu BANO et les listes Fantoir, tout en restant accessibles, ne seront pas rafraîchies. vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Non respect des conditions d'utilisation d'OSM
Bonjour à tous, Sauf erreur de ma part, il me semble que ce site : http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/ ne respecte pas les conditions d'utilisation d'OSM. Avez-vous une procédure type pour ce genre de cas ? Merci d'avance. Arnaud -- Arnaud Vandecasteele SIG - WebMapping - Spatial Ontology - GeoCollaboration Web Site http://geotribu.net/ http://about.me/arnaud_vandecasteele ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Mises à jour BANO interrompues
Bonjour, De: Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr Ici, je n'ai plus de couche BANO du tout. De chez moi à l'instant ça fonctionne. Je vois par exemple la très belle densité de points verts sur Dunkerque et autour : http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#11/51.0131/2.3971 annoncée ici : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pichasso/diary/26251 vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
Bonjour - Mail original - De: Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Dimanche 16 Novembre 2014 22:17:07 Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr]Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro Le mapping indoor est complexe vu qu'on n'a ni GPS ni image aérienne pour s'aider, c'est donc assez pifométrique à moins d'avoir accès à des plans précis. Pour la RATP, des plans (trop) détaillés des stations existent mais ne sont pas communicables car ils contiennent beaucoup d'informations sur des zones non accessibles au public. Il y aurait un très gros travail à faire pour ne diffuser que ce qui est diffusable... et donc on sort de l'opendata classique. De plus la modélisation dans OSM n'est pas évidente du tout. On est dans du indoor qui plus est multi-niveaux... j'y ait un peu goûté sur le mapping des stations parisiennes de la ligne C du RER. C'est pas du gâteau. Je me suis parfois aidé d'un télémètre laser pour mesurer la longueur d'un couloir et connaitre surtout celle des quais. Rien d'impossible bien sûr, mais rien d'évident non plus ! - Mail original - En effet, actuellement en travaillant sur une même station, OSM peut produire a peu près ceci : http://youinjapan.net/maps/osaka/osaka_station_map.jpg Demain, en faisant du indoor mapping simple, on pourrait certainement arriver à ceci : http://www.columbia.edu/~sjc2138/katakana/osaka.gif Enfin, après demain, on pourra probablement arriver à ceci : http://www.columbia.edu/~sjc2138/katakana/osaka3d_0.gif Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Mises à jour BANO interrompues
Mais si tu zoomes un peu, pouf ! plus rien ! http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#18/51.02449/2.38312 Il n'y a pas une histoire de paramètre qui fait que les dalles des zooms les plus élevés sont considérées comme has been au delà d'une certaine durée ? Stf Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 15:02:22, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit : Bonjour, De: Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr Ici, je n'ai plus de couche BANO du tout. De chez moi à l'instant ça fonctionne. Je vois par exemple la très belle densité de points verts sur Dunkerque et autour : http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/leaflet/bano.html#11/51.0131/2.3971 annoncée ici : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pichasso/diary/26251 vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
Bonjour tout le monde Il existe différents logiciels de visualisation de plan intérieur en se basant sur la norme IndoorOSM dont notamment le très bon logiciel de Clément Lagrange. En s'appuyant sur cette norme, il est possible de cartographier des chateaux, des écoles, des monuments touristiques alors pourquoi pas des gares? Je suis en tout cas volontaire pour le faire! (j'adore faire ce type de carto) Cependant, différents points: - Qui dispose de cartes suffisamment détayées? -Cquest:serait il possible de négocier des partenariats à ce niveau avec la ratp/sncf? Par exemple avec une version jpeg des plans de cartes du nord (ceux avec les données magasins and co) ou même les plans incendie? - que penser de site comme celui là? Plans des stations de Métro : Les Petits Plus du Métropolitain | Cartes Postales Anciennes sur CPArama Librement, Plans des stations de Métro : Les Petits Plus du Métropo... Bonjour, Aux débuts du Métropolitain, les Services Techniques du Métropolitain de la Ville de Paris imprimaient des plans statistiques au 1/1000 ème des lignes du Afficher sur www.cparama.com Aperçu par Yahoo Le Lundi 17 novembre 2014 15h44, david.croc...@online.fr david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour - Mail original - De: Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Dimanche 16 Novembre 2014 22:17:07 Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr]Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro Le mapping indoor est complexe vu qu'on n'a ni GPS ni image aérienne pour s'aider, c'est donc assez pifométrique à moins d'avoir accès à des plans précis. Pour la RATP, des plans (trop) détaillés des stations existent mais ne sont pas communicables car ils contiennent beaucoup d'informations sur des zones non accessibles au public. Il y aurait un très gros travail à faire pour ne diffuser que ce qui est diffusable... et donc on sort de l'opendata classique. De plus la modélisation dans OSM n'est pas évidente du tout. On est dans du indoor qui plus est multi-niveaux... j'y ait un peu goûté sur le mapping des stations parisiennes de la ligne C du RER. C'est pas du gâteau. Je me suis parfois aidé d'un télémètre laser pour mesurer la longueur d'un couloir et connaitre surtout celle des quais. Rien d'impossible bien sûr, mais rien d'évident non plus ! - Mail original - En effet, actuellement en travaillant sur une même station, OSM peut produire a peu près ceci : http://youinjapan.net/maps/osaka/osaka_station_map.jpg Demain, en faisant du indoor mapping simple, on pourrait certainement arriver à ceci : http://www.columbia.edu/~sjc2138/katakana/osaka.gif Enfin, après demain, on pourra probablement arriver à ceci : http://www.columbia.edu/~sjc2138/katakana/osaka3d_0.gif Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
Bonjour - Mail original - De: dHuy Pierre dh...@yahoo.fr À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Lundi 17 Novembre 2014 16:41:12 ou même les plans incendie? - Mail original - C'est ce qui a été utilisé pour http://osm.org/go/erv1ASTPK et http://osm.org/go/eruL6UHw0 Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
Hors-SujetJe n'ai pas une bonne connection là mais il ne me semble pas avoir vu ces deux bâtiments apparaitre sur la liste Indoor?/Hors-Sujet Sinon je sais j'ai réalisé le plan de l'ECE-Paris indoor (avec l'accord de l'école) en me basant sur des plans incendies. Les plans d'architecte sont assez pratique aussi: château de Talcy (avec un peu d'aide du conservateur) et de Chenonceau. Le Lundi 17 novembre 2014 17h06, david.croc...@online.fr david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour - Mail original - De: dHuy Pierre dh...@yahoo.fr À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Lundi 17 Novembre 2014 16:41:12 ou même les plans incendie? - Mail original - C'est ce qui a été utilisé pour http://osm.org/go/erv1ASTPK et http://osm.org/go/eruL6UHw0 Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
C'est intéressant en tout cas :) Pour le métro ça peut en effet être vite le bazar, mais c'est loin d'être le seul réseau présent sous terre Un exemple sur la Place de la République à Paris :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A516IZ2CMAAogC0.png:large En voici des visualisation plus claires, spécifiques au métro pour la plupart, à partir de la page 54 http://www.placedelarepublique.paris.fr/sites/default/files/diagnostic-pistes-de-reflexion-pour-le-programme.pdf Il y a matière à s'en inspirer, à condition que la licence le permette *François Lacombe* fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com www.infos-reseaux.com @InfosReseaux http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux Le 17 novembre 2014 17:05, david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour - Mail original - De: dHuy Pierre dh...@yahoo.fr À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Lundi 17 Novembre 2014 16:41:12 ou même les plans incendie? - Mail original - C'est ce qui a été utilisé pour http://osm.org/go/erv1ASTPK et http://osm.org/go/eruL6UHw0 Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
HSMerci pour le pdf, je vais l'utiliser pour faire du start_date sur le quartier/HS La visualisation indoor n'est justement pas visible sur le layer principal (utilisation de buildingpart et de room). Ce qui donne des avantages. les problèmes peuvent être sur les escaliers (ex ECE-Paris) et les toilettes (idem). qui risquent de charger. Il est possible d'utiliser buildingpart:verticalpassage mais ça poserait problème sur les tapis roulant verticaux (je ne me souvient plus si osm les visualise, faudrait vérifier sur la gare de massy mais ma connexion lague là) D'ailleurs est ce que tu pourrais me donner la page exacte sur le deuxième lien... le chargement est long par page Le Lundi 17 novembre 2014 17h30, François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com a écrit : C'est intéressant en tout cas :) Pour le métro ça peut en effet être vite le bazar, mais c'est loin d'être le seul réseau présent sous terre Un exemple sur la Place de la République à Paris :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A516IZ2CMAAogC0.png:large En voici des visualisation plus claires, spécifiques au métro pour la plupart, à partir de la page 54 http://www.placedelarepublique.paris.fr/sites/default/files/diagnostic-pistes-de-reflexion-pour-le-programme.pdf Il y a matière à s'en inspirer, à condition que la licence le permette François Lacombe fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com www.infos-reseaux.com @InfosReseaux Le 17 novembre 2014 17:05, david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour - Mail original - De: dHuy Pierre dh...@yahoo.fr À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Lundi 17 Novembre 2014 16:41:12 ou même les plans incendie? - Mail original - C'est ce qui a été utilisé pour http://osm.org/go/erv1ASTPK et http://osm.org/go/eruL6UHw0 Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
On 16.11.2014 22:17, Christian Quest wrote: Il y aurait un très gros travail à faire pour ne diffuser que ce qui est diffusable... et donc on sort de l'opendata classique. Bon, à coté du travail nécessaire pour rendre les stations parisiennes accessibles aux handicap physique, c'est vraiment pas grand chose. Sous réserve d'une manière de mapper qui donne de bon résultats, cela vaudrait le coup de demander à la RATP. Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
Bonjour Le 17/11/2014 17:05, david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : C'est ce qui a été utilisé pour http://osm.org/go/erv1ASTPK et http://osm.org/go/eruL6UHw0 Autre exemple : http://osm.org/go/0BSwcyEQn Cordialement C'est 3 exemples sont ceux que j'ai fait seul ( deux derniers ) ou en cartopartie (premier) -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Wikimap'Projets, l'aménagement en Ile-de-France
bonjour J'ai repéré cette info publiée le 7 novembre sur Localtis : Lancement de la wikimap'Projets, une carte collaborative sur l'aménagement en Ile-de-France http://www.localtis.info/cs/ContentServer?pagename=Localtis/LOCActu/ArticleActualitejid=1250267995090cid=1250267992999 Le projet http://www.iau-idf.fr/index.php?id=1426 la carte http://carto.iau-idf.fr/webapps/projets/ Gwen ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Amélioration de la cartographie des stations de métro
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping#France David, tu suis les recommandations concernant l'indorr sur OSM ou tu dessines juste les voies empruntables? (btw j'avais oublié les centres commerciaux aussi ça marche bien). Autrement, je vais réaliser un travail sur quelques stations, je vous enverrais visualisation et travail station par station. Le Lundi 17 novembre 2014 20h48, David Crochet david.croc...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour Le 17/11/2014 17:05, david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : C'est ce qui a été utilisé pour http://osm.org/go/erv1ASTPK et http://osm.org/go/eruL6UHw0 Autre exemple : http://osm.org/go/0BSwcyEQn Cordialement C'est 3 exemples sont ceux que j'ai fait seul ( deux derniers) ou en cartopartie (premier) -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Retour sur la véloroute Véloscénie dans OSM
Le 16 nov. 2014 à 11:27, Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Ce n'est pas utile dans l'immédiat puisque ça ne couvre pas la France, mais je suis tombé par hasard sur cet outil de vérification des itinéraires cyclables qui a l'air assez complet : http://osma.vmarc.be/en/about Stéphane Ça couvre effectivement le principe de routage vélo utilisé en Belgique et Pays-Bas : le fietsknooppuntennetwerk. Principalement utilisé sur les pistes cyclables en site propre, chaque carrefour d'un itinéraire vélo est affecté d'un numéro et de panneaux indiquant la direction à prendre pour rejoindre les autres carrefours, où se croisent d'autres itinéraires vélo. Avec une carte de ce réseau, on peut ainsi se repérer et composer son propre itinéraire en allant de numéro en numéro, pratique quand on a peu de points de repère. Si j'ai bien compris, cet outil permet de vérifier la validité de ces itinéraires et numéros de carrefour associés. George ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Retour sur la véloroute Véloscénie dans OSM
Bonsoir Vu Do, Le 16 nov. 2014 à 05:08, Quynh Vu Do vdqu...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Dernièrement j'ai fait un parcours de plus de 2000 km de Paris jusqu'à Caen en empruntant le canal du Loing, le canal de Briare, Loire à Vélo (en suivant strictement le fléchage, sauf à Tours où je me suis perdu et ai manqué 28 km de voie officielle, canal de Nantes à Brest, plusieurs voies vertes, etc. J'enregistre systématiquement les traces journalières de mes parcours. Le résumé avec le lien vers les traces gpx à télécharger et les articles connexes est ici: http://vdquynh.blogspot.com/2014/08/france-2014-bilan-de-40-journees-de.html J'ai pas encore eu le temps d'aller reporter d'éventuelles modifications sur OSM sur la base de mes parcours. Si qq1 veut exploiter les traces c'est libre et c'est ici: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/vdquynh/traces Super, une belle masse d'information. Je n'ai pas encore tout regardé mais ça a l'air très prometteur. Au delà des traces GPS, c'est surtout les métadatas associées qui sont intéressantes : notes sur la voie empruntée, des photos de la voie, des panneaux, des aménagements, etc... Yapluka transcrire tout ça dans OSM pour mettre à jour ces itinéraires vélo :-) Je vais m'atteler à le faire dans l'ordre de ton parcours dès que j'aurai un peu de temps libre. Le partage du boulot que ça représente serait aussi l'occasion d'apprendre à utiliser l'outil de partage de tâches OSM. George___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Base d’adresse : union de raison entre l’IGN et OpenStreetMap
Base d’adresse : union de raison entre l’IGN et OpenStreetMap http://data.blog.lemonde.fr/2014/11/14/base-dadresse-union-de-raison-entre-lign-et-openstreetmap/ Merci pour cet article :-) Il renvoie à un autre article dans La gazette des communes, les deux permettant de comprendre les enjeux au sujet de la BAN : Données géographiques : ils se fiancèrent et eurent beaucoup d’adresses libres http://www.lagazettedescommunes.com/293759/donnees-geographiques-ils-se-fiancerent-et-eurent-beaucoup-dadresses-libres/ — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Mapillary
Bonjour, Je tombe par hasard sur la page de Mapillary consacrée à OSM : http://www.mapillary.com/osm.html http://www.mapillary.com/osm.html Et du coup, je ressort ces messages de Christian et Florian qui n’ont pas eu de réactions ;-) Le 17 mars 2014 à 23:47, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Ils ont annoncé aujourd'hui que les photos collectées sont en CC-by-NC: http://blog.mapillary.com/update/2014/03/17/mapillary-goes-creative-commons.html http://blog.mapillary.com/update/2014/03/17/mapillary-goes-creative-commons.html Qu'en pensez-vous ? Le 4 mars 2014 14:36, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr mailto:otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit : À oublier d'urgence ? http://www.mapillary.com/osm.html http://www.mapillary.com/osm.html Florian J’en pense qu’avec GoogleStreetView, pas moyen de légalement d’extraire une adresse ou un nom de rue à partir d'une plaque, d’un panneau. Pas moyen légale pour ajouter des magasins, et autres édifices… Pas de possibilité d’ajouter des photos en attendant le passage de la voiture, sans parler ruelles étroites, des chemins piétons… ou villages en Guinée à cartographier pour HOT/MSF Pas d’intégration souhaitée avec OSM et ses outils. Et Mapillary permet d’utiliser une photo facilement dans iD et JOSM… Il a une API qui permettrait d’afficher automatiquement dans JOSM lors des zooms, déplacement de la carte Il existe aussi ce projet http://osm.lyrk.de/mapillary2JOSM/ http://osm.lyrk.de/mapillary2JOSM/ https://github.com/ubahnverleih/mapillary2JOSM https://github.com/ubahnverleih/mapillary2JOSM Les données sont gratuites pour un projet non commercial — c’est le cas d’OSM ;-) Bref, je m’interroge sur le fait le fait que la communauté (France ?) n’en parle pas, ne l’utilise pas ? Pour faire un lien avec les récentes discussions sur le vélo, je me questionnait sur la façon de réutiliser les données (photos, vidéos, traces) dans JOSM de l’excellent site http://www.sortirdeparisavelo.fr http://www.sortirdeparisavelo.fr/ Une solution serait que son auteur (et nous autres contributeurs) partagions nos photos dans Mapillary. — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Mapillary
Le mardi 18 novembre 2014 08:15:01, Yves Pratter a écrit : Bonjour, Bref, je m’interroge sur le fait le fait que la communauté (France ?) n’en parle pas, ne l’utilise pas ? Si si, je l'utilise, et en ai parlé plusieurs fois ici-même. Ce n'est pas parfait, mais a le mérite d'exister, et d'évoluer. J'ai été plusieurs fois surpris de voir le nombre d'infos qu'on pouvait ressortir des photos, des infos que je n'avais pas vues lorsque j'étais sur place. Stéphane ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] site web openstreetmap.fr et sa page comment contribuer
Salut, Le dimanche 16 novembre 2014 21:23:57, Félix Marty a écrit : Il serait à mon sens plus intéressant et plus simple que la page comment contribuer en création remplace celle-ci : http://openstreetmap.fr/contribuer Pour quelle raison ? Stéphane ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke: What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those? if we stumble over them, why not and it sounds for my as if those towns are still structures of reality yes, another example is this one in Tuscany, It, which is normally submerged in a lake, but will come to light every 10 years or so when the lake is dried out for maintenance of the dam: http://rete.comuni-italiani.it/foto/2009/61975 Situations like this: http://www.gruene-bundestag.de/typo3temp/pics/e6d0cd2a32.jpg are very different, in that nothing of the original landscape (or village) remains (this is open pit mining of lignite in Saxony, Germany, or more precisely a place called Heuersdorf close to the mine Vereinigtes Schleenhain pic taken 09-02-2009). Another image here: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/17845958 The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due to the lake. cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
Hi, Am 17.11.2014 14:21, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de mailto:my-email-confirmat...@online.de: Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke: What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those? if we stumble over them, why not and it sounds for my as if those towns are still structures of reality yes, another example is this one in Tuscany, It, which is normally submerged in a lake, but will come to light every 10 years or so when the lake is dried out for maintenance of the dam: http://rete.comuni-italiani.it/foto/2009/61975 whow! What a crasy morbid scenery. Situations like this: http://www.gruene-bundestag.de/typo3temp/pics/e6d0cd2a32.jpg are very different, in that nothing of the original landscape (or village) remains (this is open pit mining of lignite in Saxony, Germany, or more precisely a place called Heuersdorf close to the mine Vereinigtes Schleenhain pic taken 09-02-2009). Another image here: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/17845958 The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due to the lake. as long as it exists. It could be a *barrier* for navigation. And (any kind of) navigation is, where maps are for. May be it emerges on the map every 10 years ;) No. Here you might add an altitude-tag 'below', notice, etc.? Generally if a structure is gone, I would delete it. But (I think) the data alloyed into OSM's mind. So may be in *future*, you can see a landscape-animation. That would be funny. best, t. cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Can not upload a change set
Thank you, I can once again upload change sets this morning. Last night (about 11 hours ago) I logged into osm.org and revoked all Authorized Applications. Mike On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Mike Henson mikehen...@hotmail.com wrote: Last night I was editing Stillwater, OK with JOSM and everything was working great. I was uploading change sets with out issue. My wife pulled me away from the computer for a while. I came back made some edits and tried to upload them. JOSM timed out and locked up while trying to upload the change. I am sure about the editor issues but I have a suggestion for JOSM. I wonder if what you are experiencing is garbage collection of the Java JVM. Sometimes it helps to return to the JOSM session and be patient. I am guessing that Java fights to regain some memory to work again. One of the things that I have done to protect against the interruptions or other failure issues is timed backups. Menu Edit Preferences Map looking grid/Map Settings or the third button down. Click on the File Backup tab. Click on the Auto save enable box and enter the seconds between saves. I lowered my tolerance to 15 seconds. The laid on power strip button several times. ;-) Regards, Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
2014-11-17 15:27 GMT+01:00 tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: Generally if a structure is gone, I would delete it. yes, but it is mostly difficult to say it is gone, because most cases aren't that absolute then this. If you search for Heuersdorf in osm, you'll only get a hit by geonames (SCNR). http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Heuersdorf#map=13/51.1165/12.3976layers=D But (I think) the data alloyed into OSM's mind. So may be in *future*, you can see a landscape-animation. That would be funny. yes, this is what I am also interested in. Have a look at OHM (open history map), a branch of OSM. Unfortunately, as it stands now, you can't tell if something is added to osm because a) there was an error that got corrected b) something was missing (in OSM) and now got inserted c) the object is new in the real world and OSM caught up. d)... this could be modelled with changeset tags of course, but to make sense it would require a lot of people using these tags and being disciplined in structuring their edits into changesets. cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
*Regards,* *Hans* On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke: What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those? if we stumble over them, why not and it sounds for my as if those towns are still structures of reality yes, another example is this one in Tuscany, It, which is normally submerged in a lake, but will come to light every 10 years or so when the lake is dried out for maintenance of the dam: http://rete.comuni-italiani.it/foto/2009/61975 That is awesome! Thanks for sharing Martin! Situations like this: http://www.gruene-bundestag.de/typo3temp/pics/e6d0cd2a32.jpg are very different, in that nothing of the original landscape (or village) remains (this is open pit mining of lignite in Saxony, Germany, or more precisely a place called Heuersdorf close to the mine Vereinigtes Schleenhain pic taken 09-02-2009). Another image here: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/17845958 The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due to the lake. cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
