Re: [OSM-talk] Developing Countries Address Problem

2013-09-04 Per discussione Matt McNabb
Hi Bimal

The problem you've raised is something I have faced almost everywhere I
work. As the paper that you
citedhttp://www.upu.int/fileadmin/documentsFiles/activities/addressingAssistance/paperAddressingAddressingTheWorldAnAddressForEveryoneEn.pdf
and
the LA Times Article
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/aug/01/news/mn-62534 noted
on the wiki suggests, the absence of systematic street addressing poses a
major challenge for certain government and business functions; precisely
why organizations like the World Bank have invested so much in systematic
addressing 
effortshttp://siteresources.worldbank.org/CMUDLP/Resources/461753-1160058503655/Street_Addressing_Manual.pdf.
That said, you're right... this is way too slow and unreliable for most
people to wait on it.

The way that we always end up having to face this is by mapping key POIs
that are important for local map orientation or direction giving. This can
be difficult because of classifications and visibility of those icons for
less traditional POIs (eg things like near 'the mango tree' that might no
longer physically exist, or a housing compound no longer inhabited by the
person with whose name it is associated). Once we have a sufficiently high
density of these POIs on a map, it becomes significantly more usable for
localized orientation.

These locally important POIs also appear to be how proprietary providers
like Google Maps handles directions for poorly addressed parts of the world
as well. If anyone has more on how they do it, I'd be very keen to read
about it.

From there we built a BETA of something presently called
CaerusGEOhttp://www.caerusgeo.com which
allows us to place gridsquares over OSM and generate an Atlas from it. This
gives us the ability to place manageable, easy to orient paper maps in the
hands of those institutions (government, ngo, business) that want to
collect data with a higher order of precision. It is orders of magnitude
more precision than how data is presently collected, but also significantly
less precise than were street addressing available.

A sample use case for this solution might be crime mapping. Police officer
or NGO uses 'social POIs' to orient on a map (paper or mobile) where
streets are traced but lack names and addresses. They mark an 'X' and
incident number where the event occurred by orienting off of the POIs that
have been placed there, then they upload to view heat maps and other
visualizations on top of OSM through the system.

This would likely be an extremely poor solution for mail handling, however,
where the level of fidelity required must be extremely precise rather than
approximated. So again, I think it depends upon the precise problem set
that one is trying to overcome in the absence of addresses and the level of
acceptable fidelity for that use case.

Did you have a specific use case in mind? Or is your aim to develop a more
holistic alternative to street addressing entirely?

Matt



On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 7:21 AM, bibekshres...@gmail.com 
bibekshres...@gmail.com wrote:

 The mail raises an interesting issue. For developing nations like Nepal,
 waiting for local administration to start mapping and give names to the
 streets take quite a long time.

 I would be interested to know if someone has an alternative solution that
 is modern enough (digital) independent of local administration and easier
 to do with a click of a button - online.

 --
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 You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling., Eames to
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 On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Ben Abelshausen 
 ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

 Use OSM as a base for a local campaign ...


 That is something that worked very will in Yaoundé, Cameroon. Showing the
 OSM-tools, maps, OsmAnd can really get things going! In Cameroon people
 were very impressed with what was possible with little resources using OSM!

 This could be a very good way for you to start...

 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

 Ben Abelshausen

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[OSM-talk] Counting POI Additions

2013-08-26 Per discussione Matt McNabb
We've been using iD through distributed local mapping teams and are
attempting to track the number of individual POIs that each person adds.
Obviously an individual's profile shows the number of 'edits' but I believe
any given edit might entail the uploading of several POIs. In other words,
if I add three schools before I save/upload to OSM, I believe (please
correct me if I'm wrong) that shows up as 1 edit on my profile. The only
way to count the number of actual POIs added by a user seems to be clicking
on each 'edit' on their profile, then counting all changes they made within
that edit.

Is there a way in which we can easily track each individual POI addition
per team member, rather than the number of uploads?

Apologies if the answer is straightforward and I missed it!

Matt

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