[Talk-in] OpenAerialMap Beta Goes Live
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Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan
Well, the foundation does exist. Does this mean everyone creates an account on Bhuvan before starting to trace in OpenStreetMap? I'm still not clear how this could work. Might make sense to ask others. Paul, Mikel - do you have thoughts? Would be good to know what Paul and Mikel think here. It seems a question of what is public domain, not just according to OSM but also per Indian law. Apart from the discussions on Bing and the License Working Group, this is the only statement I find on the OSM wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2._Contributing Hmm, 20 tiles a day is not going to work. This is going to be high traffic. And it does require reliable infrastructure. Worthwhile to consider how we can support Bhuvan on this. Also, few imagery are not in web mercator, those will have to be reprojected. Yes, agreed, the 20 per day limit I see is not just for GeoTIFF downloads but also for the tile service. There could perhaps then be a role for HBCSE-TIFR here as a educational institution, and government client able to redistribute and serve high-availability imagery for scientific and developmental purposes to the OSM community. The fact that Bhuvan is already using ID, tilecache, etc. is the opening I believe Nagarjuna was looking for when he initiated this thread. We are ready to approach NSRC and ISRO via TIFR to support using Bhuvan for OSM mapping, if folks here can advise on what we should ask for. We're also approaching them for raw data which we're using for image processing and analysis at HBCSE. S.K. -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan
Nice, I finally poked at this. For those on list who don't know tiles
URL syntax, you can drop this URL into ID and it works great!
http://tile1.nrsc.gov.in/tilecache/tilecache.py/1.0.0/bhuvan_imagery2/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
The subdomain prefix tile1 can be replaced with tile2, 3, 4 (I
guess these are backup servers?)
S.K.
On Sunday 17 May 2015 03:36 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 4:15 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com
mailto:penor...@mac.com wrote:
On 5/15/2015 11:39 PM, Devdatta Tengshe wrote:
As far as I know, Bhuvan uses Tilecache.py to serve out Imagery
in
tiles(http://tile1.nrsc.gov.in/tilecache/tilecache.py/1.0.0/bhuvan_imagery2/10/719/456.jpg).
The catch is that this imagery is in Geographic Latlong (i.e.
EPSG:4326) and not in Web mercator
Those are standard map tiles, in Web Mercator.
You can compare http://tile.openstreetmap.org/10/719/456.png and
http://tile1.nrsc.gov.in/tilecache/tilecache.py/1.0.0/bhuvan_imagery2/10/719/456.jpg
to see that they are the same area.
Thanks Paul, after poking around stumbled on their full list of tile layers:
http://tile1.nrsc.gov.in/tilecache/tilecache.py/1.0.0/layers
bhuvan_imagery is in WGS84
bhuvan_imagery2 is in web mercator
The tms url for bhuvan_imagery2:
tms:http://tile{switch:1,2,3,4}.nrsc.gov.in/tilecache/tilecache.py/1.0.0/bhuvan_imagery2/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.jpg
http://nrsc.gov.in/tilecache/tilecache.py/1.0.0/bhuvan_imagery2/%7Bzoom%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D.jpg
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Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan
Has anyone poked around with the tileserver and can report experience so far? This looks promising. S.K. -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc On 18-May-2015 2:04 am, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 5/16/2015 11:00 PM, Nagarjuna G. wrote: Do we really need the tiles? If they give an API service, wouldn't it be enough? We should be clear of exactly what to ask. Tiles are an API - you request z/x/y and get back an image for an area defined by z, x, and y. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan
We should get the raw imagery from them and make it ourselves. ISRO is under no mandate to provide an API and Bhuvan may just disappear one day. S.K. -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc On 17-May-2015 11:39 am, Nagarjuna G. nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: On 17 May 2015 4:27:46 am IST, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:33 PM, Sajjad Anwar wrote: Couple of things to keep in mind here - 1. We'd need open licensing, or it should say that tracing for OpenStreetMap is permitted. 2. The layers should be in Web Mercator projection. There are quite a few Bhuvan layers that are not. There's two sides to this - one is getting the imagery, the other is having it hosted somewhere. If you can get the imagery under a usable license, I'm sure someone can host it. Once it's hosted, it can be added to the list for iD and P2 (https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index) and to the JOSM wiki (http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps) -- Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in Do we really need the tiles? If they give an API service, wouldn't it be enough? We should be clear of exactly what to ask. GN -- GN ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan
Ishan can you point us to wms or tiles feeds for Bhuvan? Afaik, they are not there, but would be hugely useful for all sorts of work. Sajjad's Nepal precedent is a good one to approach ISRO again for CartoSat raw data. GN and I want to do this via TIFR, we could also work with Mapbox India. I'm not bothered about licensing terms, since these satellites were launched with public money, and by right their output is public. :-) S.K. -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc On 16-May-2015 11:03 am, Sajjad Anwar m...@sajjad.in wrote: Dear GN, We checked Bhuvan today to get some idea. We found that they also use Id editor for community contributions. This is interesting. I couldn't find though. Can you share a screenshot? This is particularly interesting for some of us who are working to make OpenStreetMap software available for outside the ecosystem. We are trying to get the high resolution satellite maps from ISRO for school and college mapping projects that we are currently doing. If openstreetmap.in would like to get the satellite maps from Bhuvan/ISRO, what do we need from them? Do they have an API to pull them as background maps? We may need them mostly while editing. Since Id editor is already used by them, I am wondering they may already be using OSM software stack. Couple of things to keep in mind here - 1. We'd need open licensing, or it should say that tracing for OpenStreetMap is permitted. 2. The layers should be in Web Mercator projection. There are quite a few Bhuvan layers that are not. Was there any history of osm community seeking data from ISRO? Recently, we got in touch with ISRO for high resolution post earthquake imagery for Nepal. They shared the raw data and some of us at Mapbox processed it to make it available on OpenStreetMap - https://twitter.com/geohacker/status/593114332164001792 Sajjad. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
I am withdrawing the offer of hosting from Topomancy for OSM India community server. All the same, I do not believe that having untrained and transient volunteers managing a service like this is at all viable, and don't know why such a simple question has led to such a prolonged debate. This is why I recommended against hosting at HBCSE-TIFR, where I am on staff, and know how poorly resourced we are at the moment. S.K. On Friday 06 March 2015 08:40 PM, Johnson Chetty wrote: On 6 March 2015 at 16:36, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com mailto:arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Nagarjuna G. nagar...@gnowledge.org mailto:nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: If we show this 'truth' we will be welcoming trouble! Lets fix this first. Johnson can you share the existing mapnik_style.xml file? Would be awesome if its on github. Okay.. you want the default osm.xml or a separate style layer as mapnik_style.xml for renderd? I just saw that india streets repo and it seems you have mml stylesheet? GN On 05-Mar-2015 4:32 pm, Johnson Chetty johnsonche...@gmail.com mailto:johnsonche...@gmail.com wrote: http://14.139.123.10:8080/osm/slippymap.html On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:20 Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com mailto:arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Johnson Chetty johnsonche...@gmail.com mailto:johnsonche...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, By the way, the tile service is still running on the server ... in case the new server acquisition and setup would take time. Is there a url for this? Cheers, On 1 March 2015 at 19:59, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com mailto:satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Shekhar Krishnan shek...@topomancy.com mailto:shek...@topomancy.com wrote: Knock knock. We were moving along with this and the thread sputtered out. yeah we are here , do we have the servers ready , i have some holidays coming up for Holi can work then . -Satya Satyaakam.net | fossevents.in http://fossevents.in | ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Regards, Johnson Chetty ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Regards, Johnson Chetty On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Nagarjuna G. nagar...@gnowledge.org mailto:nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: If we show this 'truth' we will be welcoming trouble! Lets fix this first. Johnson can you share the existing mapnik_style.xml file? Would be awesome if its on github. GN On 05-Mar-2015 4:32 pm, Johnson Chetty johnsonche...@gmail.com mailto:johnsonche...@gmail.com wrote: http://14.139.123.10:8080/osm/slippymap.html On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:20 Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com mailto:arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Johnson Chetty johnsonche...@gmail.com mailto:johnsonche...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, By the way, the tile service is still running on the server ... in case the new server acquisition and setup would take time. Is there a url for this? Cheers, On 1 March 2015 at 19:59, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com mailto:satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Shekhar Krishnan shek...@topomancy.com mailto:shek...@topomancy.comwrote: Knock knock. We were moving along with this and the thread sputtered out. yeah we are here , do we have the servers ready , i have some holidays coming up for Holi can work then . -Satya Satyaakam.net
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
I do not recommend using the TIFR servers for community purposes as we have nobody on staff currently to manage them. My offer of hosting via Topomancy still stands. Alex from Mapbox also mentioned a possibility of support. Sajjad and Sanjay should advise. S.K. -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc On 05-Mar-2015 1:54 pm, Johnson Chetty johnsonche...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, By the way, the tile service is still running on the server ... in case the new server acquisition and setup would take time. Cheers, On 1 March 2015 at 19:59, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Shekhar Krishnan shek...@topomancy.com wrote: Knock knock. We were moving along with this and the thread sputtered out. yeah we are here , do we have the servers ready , i have some holidays coming up for Holi can work then . -Satya Satyaakam.net | fossevents.in | ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Regards, Johnson Chetty ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
If we're agreed on everything then what I propose is we go ahead with a dedicated box so work can start. Topomancy is about to retire a server which can be redeployed for dedicated use by OSM India. I'll assess the costs in a month or so and reply on list asking for sponsorships or donations. Topomancy can underwrite the costs for now. Sanjay, Satyakaam, can we start rolling? Are there any explicit policies we want to set out on this list for sys admins and account holders? Best, Shekhar On 01/29/15 02:52, Alex Barth wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Shekhar Krishnan shek...@topomancy.com mailto:shek...@topomancy.com wrote: Can't Mapbox India underwrite this small expense for the India community? Mikel, any thoughts? Happy to talk if there's a need to sponsor servers. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
As a staff member of HBCSE, I request that we not rely on this server, as we're moving towards off-site hosting for anything but lab experiments. This is not appropriate for community use. S.K. On 01/29/15 05:28, Johnson Chetty wrote: Hello, Sorry for the extended silence. FWIW: The Indian OSM Tile server was done quite a while back, around April 2014. Dr. Nagarjun, HBCSE had given us a machine in HBCSE and it was serving away all the same. It's has been just sitting the same way until Dec. end when we recommissioned it for tree mapping. http://14.139.123.10:8080/osm/slippymap.html Local tiles for India with minutely updates were enabled as well, though not needed i believe. Have just changed it to nightly. The machine specs are: Ubuntu 12.04 8 x 1.4GHz cores 8 GB RAM Roughly around 850GB The server has been recommisioned, as there were no further updates. Arun and Satyakam both have logins on the machine already. If we want to get things up on an interim basis, we can do so with the setup and get up styling enabled for it. Atleast we have some thing ready somewhere, so the designers can try stuff out. Cheers, On 29 January 2015 at 02:52, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com mailto:a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Shekhar Krishnan shek...@topomancy.com mailto:shek...@topomancy.com wrote: Can't Mapbox India underwrite this small expense for the India community? Mikel, any thoughts? Happy to talk if there's a need to sponsor servers. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Regards, Johnson Chetty ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
On 01/29/15 10:00, satyaakam goswami wrote: Hi Shekhar, S o what is the plan now are we going to use the HBCSE setup or create a new one ? Create a new one. Sanjay and I will follow up when he's up and online today or soon. i have asked Johnson for credentials on the present server , may be we can use it as a staging server. My recommendation is to not use it at all except for purely temporary purposes. S.K. thanks -Satya Satyaakam.net http://satyaakam.net/| fossevents.in http://fossevents.in/ | ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan @bombayologist http://shekhar.cc ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
This then goes back to the hosting question. Our original offer was co-hosting on the server which also hosts OHM (and ChaloBEST). This is apparently undesirable to the community. We could provide a dedicated box, but that was not my intent in restarting this thread, which goes back years. My aim was to remove the obstacle if hosting and storage are issues. Also hosting at HBCSE/TIFR (where I work and where Johnson made a start on this) is not reliable, as sys-admins there are few and overburdened, and servi es are unreliable. At this point only a small number of active OSM India enthusiasts would be using this service. Can we use a VM for now? If we're asking for a dedicated box I'll have to approach Tim and Schuyler in Topomancy to see if they agree. Can't Mapbox India underwrite this small expense for the India community? Mikel, any thoughts? S.K. On Jan 27, 2015 8:33 PM, Sanjay Bhangar sanjaybhan...@gmail.com wrote: Hey hey, Many apologies for the confusion there, then - I think I was half remembering conversations from some time ago where that was the plan. If the plan is just to mirror the OSM data and provide alternate styles more appropriate for India and localized, let's rock on :) I guess we still need a server for this, though, as people have rightly pointed out, its probably not a good idea to co-host with OHM. Thanks - and sorry again for the confusion :) - great to know that the boundary issue can also be managed with styles alone, that sounds great. Cheers, Sanjay On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:27 PM, H.S.Rai hardeep@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: The boundaries remain a big reason to have our own tiles. All this takes is changes to the stylesheet, not the data itself. +1 I am unable to get message which caused this confusion. We intend to have only tile server. -- H.S.Rai ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
Johnson has access to the same server where OHM is hosted, known as hackercoop, which is a community server provided courtesy of Topomancy (which is me, Schuyler Erle and Tim Waters). Since most if not all of the required stack is already installed and configured for http://openhistoricalmap.org it shouldn't be too hard to setup http://openstreetmap.in there. Johnson will need guidance from Sanjay or Sajjad. If we have consensus on this can we start setup? Satyakaam, you can ping and point the nameservers at the hackercoop box (on which you should also have an account, send keys to Sanjay if not). Best, S.K. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:26 PM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: Via Topomancy, Sanjay Bhangar and I have a server with ample speed and space to host openstreetmap.in and related projects for at least one year. We are providing the same service to OpenHistoricalMap. lets talk about it , OpenHistoricalMap is something interesting would like to learn more about it . OHM info and mailing list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map Meanwhile, lets start on OSM India. Johnson has already taken the first steps, looking forward to hearing from him. -Satya Satyaakam.net http://satyaakam.net/ | fossevents.in | ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan Topomancy LLC http://shekhar.cc http://topomancy.com ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Indian OSM server
Shall we take this forward per Arun's proposal? I guess the question of edits and forks has been addressed? Is there further consensus required on this list? Via Topomancy, Sanjay Bhangar and I have a server with ample speed and space to host openstreetmap.in and related projects for at least one year. We are providing the same service to OpenHistoricalMap. S.K. On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Ishan Chattopadhyaya ichattopadhy...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Satyakam, I've put up a Wiki page on OSM wiki with this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IN:Proposal Linked it from the domains page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Domain_names#Countries_domains Regards, Ishan On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:08 PM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 8:49 PM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, There has been lots of discussions with both for and against setting up a server for India , i have setup a https://www.loomio.org/d/IThldJoE/openstreetmap-in-do-we-really-want-to-make-this-happen , do add yourself and lets come to a consensus on this topic. oh forgot to mention there was a document drafted some time last year by Arun Ganesh here it is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nXz_oWkb29GBx-wGuMlD5yWUs_p2VRb8invFTVt8fu4/edit . -Satya Satyaakam.net http://satyaakam.net/ | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan Topomancy LLC http://shekhar.cc http://topomancy.com ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] State of the Map India
Pradeep: Yes we can always do this at HBCSE/TIFR http://www.hbce.tifr.res.in in Mumbai, where we have residential and lab facilities and a nice campus. Also I own sotm.in and stateofthemap.in just in case. Let's talk! Best, Shekhar On 19 Apr 2014 21:36, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: Are we in any position to do a State of the Map in India? Pradeep -- Sent from Gmail Mobile for iPhone ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?
Dear Russ and All: Tomorrow (Tuesday 27 Nov) doesn't work for me, since I just realised that this Wednesday is a state holiday and I'll have to work late. Perhaps Wednesday 28 Nov would be better, since more folks will be free to travel and maybe taking a break. We can meet in Worli at the flat of Sanjay Bhangar (also on this list), as wifi is currently broken in my office in Matunga West. Worli is nearby. Subhodip, Arun, Mikel etc. know the place. The address is 105, Madhuli Apartments, opposite Nehru Planetarium and Atria Mall, Dr Annie Besant Road, Worli. My contact number is 98200.45529 and Sanjay's is 98200.53341. Russ, does this work for you, and if so can we confirm the meetup on Wednesday evening? Let's do it around 6 or 7pm since me and others will need to commute home by 9pm or so. Best, Shekhar On Friday 23 November 2012 10:26 AM, paramvi...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds good. Can someone post directions? Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel -Original Message- From: Russell Nelson russnel...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 23:53:09 To: talk-intalk-in@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour? ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan 58/58A, Anand Bhavan, 2nd Floor 201, T.H. Kataria Marg (Lady Hardinge Road) Mahim, Mumbai 400016, Maharashtra, INDIA http://shekhar.cc ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Mappy hour?
Sure. Let's do a meetup next week in the evening sometime. Other Mumbai OSMers around? Please call me 98200.45529. My office is in Matunga West/Mahim and we can most probably meet there. Best, Shekhar -- Shekhar Krishnan Topomancy LLC 48, Whipple Street, #1B Brooklyn, NY, U.S.A. http://shekhar.cc On Nov 22, 2012 2:56 AM, Russell Nelson russnel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everybody, I'm going to be arriving in Mumbai Sunday morning, here for a week. Does anybody want to get together of an evening, do some armchair mapping, talk about OSM, whatever? We usually work until 7:30 or 8, so I'm available after that. I'm working at Rediff in Mahim, but my hotel is the Bawa International in Santa Cruz, but I can make my way around Mumbai as needed. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Fwd: NSDI Geoportal
We should submit this portal for MetaRefresh http://metafresh.in Arun, do you know folks there in Govt or HRD/ST ministry? S.K. On 04/03/2012 07:01 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote: I stumbled upon the National Spatial Data Infrastructure site which 'aspires' to put a lot of geodata into public domain for the benefit of the public. I got pretty excited and made an account hoping to find something new, but it became some kind of extreme internet hurdle test to get anything to work. For your pleasure, if anyone has some free time and would like to know how bad websites are made: http://nsdiindia.gov.in/ Please let me know if you manage to see any data at all. -- j.mp/ArunGanesh http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan 58/58A, Anand Bhavan, 2nd Floor 201, T.H. Kataria Marg (Lady Hardinge Road) Mahim, Mumbai 400016, Maharashtra, INDIA http://shekhar.cc http://web.mit.edu/shekhar ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Mumbai Brownfields
Arun: Shekhar, can you list out the different classes (official and non official) of such dense settlements which look like slums, what they are locally called and their description? These areas are of high interest to urban planners, govt bodies, NGO's etc and having them mapped appropriately will definitely be a lot of help to different parties. Here is a study I participated in several years ago on Housing Typologies in Mumbai: http://www.urban-age.net/0_downloads/House_Types_in_Mumbai.pdf I was hoping someone like you with better knowledge would bring this up and propose a more meaningful tag. Replacing tags does not require much effort. It's not about replacing tags, it's the logic of tracing something that looks contiguous from the bird's eye but is actually quite a mixed environment. These are not even common neighbourhoods where place=locality would be appropriate. Going by the wikipedia definition of brownfield land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownfield_land, i did not think it was totally inappropriate either. Yes it is, brownfields are contaminated or former industrial sites which are either abandoned or slated for redevelopment. Urban mixed settlements in India are entirely unrelated. My interest is in 'slums' which have unregulated and unplanned developments (and have been marked by the government for rehabilitation, clearing and redevelopment). Redevelopment is a highly political process, as is the meaning of the term slum, which is often used to indicate a desire to displace poor people and demolish their settlements. I don't believe our cartography should reflect the view of government or builders who seeks to clear and rebuild entire areas to favour certain classes. Slums encompass a wide spectrum and continuum of housing practices. Most such settlements require upgradation, better services, and in-situ development. That's a different debate. No settlement in Mumbai is unregulated or unplanned, informal housing comes up in areas which are marked on plans for other purposes and are usurped by local officials and landowners/slumlords. They are highly regulated as far as water, sanitation, electricity and other services are concerned. Maps have their own ethics. I think we should all be careful that our desire for transparency does not end up making some people more vulnerable, by putting them on the map in the wrong way. That said, I'm very eager to map houses, markets, workshops, schools and temples in the wadis, koliwadas, gaothans, chawls of Mumbai. Best, Shekhar On 08/03/2011 03:03 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Shekhar Krishnan shek...@mit.edu mailto:shek...@mit.edu wrote: All: I noticed activity in Mumbai recently by Arun Ganesh (PlaneMad) where a lot of landuse:brownfield areas are being traced around various villages, koliwadas, wadis, slums and mixed-use and industrial settlements. I know there was some earlier discussion of how to tag so-called slums but brownfield is certainly not appropriate, see the tag which is land scheduled for new development http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dbrownfield It seems that this tag is being used indiscriminately across any cluster in Mumbai which appear dense, this covers a wide spectrum of settlements that all look the same from a satellite image. Hi Shekhar, I wanted to do an analysis of how much area such settlements cover and was tracing the boundaries of these areas. Since there isn't any agreed convention, i just continued what an earlier user had done in south mumbai. -- j.mp/ArunGanesh http://j.mp/ArunGaneshhttp://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan 58/58A, Anand Bhavan 201, T.H. Kataria Marg (Lady Hardinge Road) Matunga (West), Mumbai 400016, India http://heptanesia.net http://web.mit.edu/shekhar ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
[Talk-in] Mumbai Brownfields
All: I noticed activity in Mumbai recently by Arun Ganesh (PlaneMad) where a lot of landuse:brownfield areas are being traced around various villages, koliwadas, wadis, slums and mixed-use and industrial settlements. I know there was some earlier discussion of how to tag so-called slums but brownfield is certainly not appropriate, see the tag which is land scheduled for new development http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dbrownfield It seems that this tag is being used indiscriminately across any cluster in Mumbai which appear dense, this covers a wide spectrum of settlements that all look the same from a satellite image. While I am always happy to see more people helping map Mumbai -- there are only a handful of us -- I'm opposed in principle to tagging dense areas inhabited by 60% of the population as brownfield. Best, S.K. -- Shekhar Krishnan 58/58A, Anand Bhavan 201, T.H. Kataria Marg (Lady Hardinge Road) Matunga (West), Mumbai 400016, India http://heptanesia.net http://web.mit.edu/shekhar ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Mumbai Map Cleanup
Is anyone based in Mumbai interested in meeting up some evening over the next few weeks to discuss strategies for developing OpenStreetMap in Mumbai? Please contact me and we can fix a date and venue. Best, Shekhar On 04/11/2010 08:11 PM, Arun Ganesh wrote: I just checked out the area, and it is littered with untagged nodes (43,000? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4362880), like you said, the building geomentry is broken and there are no segments connecting the nodes :( Regarding using the mumbai freemap as a base, i have still not been able to access the map till date http://mumbai.freemap.in/ i can only see a bunch of points, and even that breaks when zoomed in. Does the dataset contain streetnames? On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Shekhar Krishnan shek...@mit.edu mailto:shek...@mit.edu wrote: Yesterday I uploaded a set of buildings for the Colaba-Cuffe Parade area of South Mumbai based on the datasets which our group CRIT created through our Mumbai Freemap project several years ago. Our shape files were converted to OSM using polyshp2osm.py and tagged and uploaded via JOSM. One can now see a sprinkling of new buildings here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.91115lon=72.81534zoom=15 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.91115lon=72.81534zoom=15 Editing these files in JOSM is *very* slow and difficult, as is uploading via JOSM or using the batchupload py scripts. For each shape file we have for all of Greater Mumbai, the shp2osm conversion yields 40-50 osm files which must be uploaded individually. After trying just one file, less than half of the total buildings are being rendered by Mapnik, perhaps because their geometries are broken. But the process works, and with more time and effort could result in a major contribution to OSM which I've wanted to do for years now. The AND data for Mumbai is both generally skewed and is very inaccurate in some places (and fixed in others, thanks to volunteers). And it is mostly just major roads. I agree with Arun and Kenneth that it is perhaps easier to start afresh. Another option is to use our datasets as a base from which to start, via shp2osm conversion of our layers. Our freemap dataset contain layers for buildings, roads, and other public and reserved plots, with further work on conversion/import and mapping attributes to tags we could make a significant contribution to an entirely new OSM Mumbai either through direct upload or conflation with the existing coverage from AND and volunteers. Best, Shekhar PlaneMad wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:27 PM, PlaneMad theplane...@gmail.com mailto:theplane...@gmail.com mailto:theplane...@gmail.com mailto:theplane...@gmail.com wrote: From my experience fixing Mumbai, i have come to realize that its pretty much impossible to realign the streets in parts without confusing yourself. I had started deleting unnamed AND ways to make the task easier, but that didnt help too much as you lose the reference street geometry to match with the yahoo imagery. I feel the best way to fix the map is to remove all the AND paths completely, start tracing the roads and name them by using an old extract of the original AND import as reference. Good idea? -- http://j.mp/ArunGanesh Btw, i will be in Mumbai to attend India HCI at IIT powai from 20-24. If anybody else is attending, we could try to work something out with the IIT students. -- http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan CRIT (Collective Research Initiatives Trust) B43, Shravasti Goregaon-Malad Link Road Malad (West), Mumbai 400064, India http://crit.org.in http://heptanesia.net ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] about a story in the sunday mid day, a newspaper in mumbai, india
I just spoke with Sowmya Rajaram from Mid-Day and will be meeting her to talk more about OSM and web mapping in Mumbai on Thursday 21 October in the early evening. If anyone on this list from wants to join us for this meeting to talk about their experience with OSM in Mumbai, please email me and I will let you know the time and place to meet on Thursday, somewhere in Parel or Dadar. Best, Shekhar On 10/19/2010 01:52 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: Yes, the India talk list is the forum to communicate with the core active members of OSM India. I'm forwarded this email to them, and hope that somewhere there can step up to help. -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti *From:* Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org *To:* Sowmya Rajaram sowmy...@gmail.com *Cc:* mikel_ma...@yahoo.com; t...@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Tue, October 19, 2010 11:04:10 AM *Subject:* Re: about a story in the sunday mid day, a newspaper in mumbai, india Hi! More information about OSM in India is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India There is also a mailing list here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in . I am forwarding this email to Mikel Maron who has actually done some OSM activities in India and might be more able to help with your questions. I am also sending it to the general community talk mailing list. Maybe somebody there is from Mumbai and can help you. Jochen On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:47:23PM +0530, Sowmya Rajaram wrote: From: Sowmya Rajaram sowmy...@gmail.com mailto:sowmy...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:47:23 +0530 Subject: about a story in the sunday mid day, a newspaper in mumbai, india To: jochen.t...@geofabrik.de mailto:jochen.t...@geofabrik.de Hi I write to you as the assistant editor of the Sunday Mid Day, a newspaper published in Mumbai, India. I was interested in doing a story on the Open Street Map project and saw your email on a presentation on the subject on Slidehshare. Please let me know how and when to contact you for more information. If you could also give me some contacts for people involved with the project in Mumbai and/or India, it would be really useful. I'm doing the story this week, so I'd appreciate a quick response. Do let me know. Thanks. -- Sowmya Rajaram Sunday Mid Day, Mid Day Infomedia Ltd, Peninsula Centre, Dr SS Rao Road, Opposite Mahatma Gandhi Hospital, Parel (East), Mumbai 400012 Phone: 67017188 -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org mailto:joc...@remote.orghttp://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Shekhar Krishnan CRIT (Collective Research Initiatives Trust) B43, Shravasti Goregaon-Malad Link Road Malad (West), Mumbai 400064, India http://crit.org.in http://heptanesia.net ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] who moved Mumbai?
I have also imported the road network layer from the Mumbai Freemap and here is the WMS URL: http://mumbai.freemap.in/wms.cgi?srs=epsg:4326format=image/pngrequest=GetMapservice=WMSversion=1.1.1layers=road_net_line_4326 Good for comparing to AND's road network. ;-) S.K. 2008/7/6 Shekhar Krishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I spent today attempting to grapple with these issues, with some success. We've reprojected the WMS into wgs84 (EPSG:4326) from UTM 43N (EPSG:32643) by reprojecting the shape files using ogr2ogr. This fixed the WMS problem, and I have succesfully loaded these URLs for different layers from the Mumbai Freemap in JOSM: Buildings (Polygons) http://mumbai.freemap.in/wms.cgi?srs=epsg:4326format=image/jpegrequest=GetMapservice=WMSversion=1.1.1layers=building_polygon_4326 Building Outlines (Lines) http://mumbai.freemap.in/wms.cgi?srs=epsg:4326format=image/jpegrequest=GetMapservice=WMSversion=1.1.1layers=building_line_4326 Municipal Land Use Reservations (Polygons) http://mumbai.freemap.in/wms.cgi?srs=epsg:4326format=image/jpegrequest=GetMapservice=WMSversion=1.1.1layers=reserved_polygon_4326 There are several other layers in http://mumbai.freemap.in that are not here yet, and I will work on grouping and styling them so there is only one for buildings and another for road and rail networks and send around new links. A quick glance at the results in OSM shows that as reported, with the AND data on OSM right now, everything has been moved east and north, though this is not consistent and in Central Mumbai the offset seems to becomes less. This raises the question of what to do generally about Mumbai in OSM. While a WMS overlay looks nice and can be traced by volunteers with a great deal of time and effort, I am more interested in directly loading these shape files into JOSM and supplementing or replacing the AND data with our Mumbai Freemap layers. I am happy to share these shape files with anyone in the OSM community who might be able to lend a hand using osmlib, ruby-shapefile, gml2osm, or any other method. A correction to Mikel: the third dataset which you mentioned we have from the Govt of Maharashtra PWD is not of Mumbai, but of the rest of the state, and contains the entire road network, all village names and maps, and district boundaries for Maharashtra. These are also shape files with their own pecularities. I've had issues both with JSOM and the WMS plugin which I'll also note here. I'm a newcomer to both, so any help is appreciated. Downloading data for Mumbai from OSM and from local OSM instances such as http://demo.binyasit.com:3000/ almost always returns only a snippet of the area which I select from the permalink. I'm not sure why, sometimes I get the fulll boundaries of Greater Mumbai and then a handful of nodes. Also, the WMS plugin is not very good at saving changes made to new entries, which often revert to the previous saved entry after restarting JSOM. This has made it difficult to keep track of which WMS URL is being called as the menu is not refreshed after saving a URL and restarting JSOM. The other issue, which Chippy raised, is the lack of UTM support in the WMS plugin which should be addressed as we would rather use our UTM projection fof maximum accuracy. Thanks for the help and support! Best, Shekhar 2008/7/6 Tim Waters (chippy) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: UTM which EPS:32643 appears to be, could be implemented within the wmsplugin. The WMSplugin uses some classes from jcoord, to convert from OSGB (what the NPE wms server uses) to wgs84. (OSGB is itself Transverse Mercator too) Looking at the jcoord package, it also has classes to convert from UTM zones also : http://www.jstott.me.uk/jcoord/api/1.1-b/uk/me/jstott/jcoord/UTMRef.html So I'd think the wmsplugin could be hacked to get it working reasonably easily. Regards, Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Shekhar Krishnan 9 Supriya, 2nd Floor Plot 709, Parsee Colony Road no.4 Dadar, Mumbai 400014 India http://web.mit.edu/shekhar http://heptanesia.net http://bombayology.net -- Shekhar Krishnan 9 Supriya, 2nd Floor Plot 709, Parsee Colony Road no.4 Dadar, Mumbai 400014 India http://web.mit.edu/shekhar http://heptanesia.net http://bombayology.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] who moved Mumbai?
Since someone mentioned the Mumbai Freemap [1] into OSM, I thought I would finally introduce myself to the list. I am coordinator of the project, which was developed in 2005-2006 to showcase the kind of geo-data being collected by volunteers in Mumbai's architect and activist communities connected to CRIT (Collective Research Initiatives Trust) [2]. The data itself is poorly formed, having been originally drawn in AutoCAD without geographic attributes and retrospectively warped into shape files from sets of disconnected lines and attribute tables [3]. In our community mapping project, we now hope to merge our base layers into OSM and train groups in JOSM to detail particular areas, which we can use as the basis for projects on public spaces, community housing and heritage conservation in Mumbai. For some time now we have wanted to contribute this data to OSM, and we now have devoted funds from UNDP [4] which we plan to use in support of OSM as an infrastructure for our research and design practice. Earlier this year Mikel Maron and Schuyler Erle organised a series of Freemap/OSM workshops [5] which seeded new communities in cities across India, and in Mumbai generated significant interest. We think that the existing Mumbai Freemap is mostly useful as a backdrop (WMS) against which new nodes and relations need to be traced and tagged within OSM, and we are determined to migrate our vector data into OSM in stages over the next few months. Chris Schmidt wrote this script [6] to migrate MassGIS shape files into OSM. Any suggestions on how best to approach this SHP to OSM migration and the wider goals of our project are most welcome! Best, Shekhar [1] http://mumbai.freemap.in [2] http://crit.org.in [3] http://wiki.freemap.in/moin.cgi/MumbaiFreeMapDatabase [4] http://www.apdip.net/projects/ictrnd/2005/l43-in/ [5] http://wiki.freemap.in/moin.cgi/FreeMapIndia2008 [6] http://boston.freemap.in/osm/files/mgis_to_osm.py 2008/7/5 Nathan Vander Wilt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jul 5, 2008, at 1:01 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 05-Jul-08, at 3:24 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote everything is AND and everything is consistently out of place to the southeast with the same offset - is there any way to programmatically change this? I have a script that I could use for this task if people want. Obviously I'd need to know exactly what to move and by what amount... cool - will measure the offset and revert Are you sure this isn't a coordinate system datum issue? If the AND data uses a different datum than WGS-84, it may be more than just a simple offset for all vertices that you need. There are several open source programs available for converting from one datum to another. What datum is the original AND data in? thanks, -natevw ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Shekhar Krishnan 9 Supriya, 2nd Floor Plot 709, Parsee Colony Road no.4 Dadar, Mumbai 400014 India http://web.mit.edu/shekhar http://heptanesia.net http://bombayology.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
