[Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[Max]

Looking through
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective 
language. talk-ko is in English though.
(Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the 
mailman interface)


Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
Any opinions, thoughts about it?

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[Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[최규성]

Dear Max, Andrew, Changwoo and others,


Thanks for the note.

Max's suggested a good point. But, I evaluate that changing language
setting can't be a catalyst of bringing the Korean speaking members.

As a local resident Korean, I suspect there two major reasons why Korean
speaking members can't join Talk-ko list.
First, there is no self-rewarding motivation to actively work for
OpenStreetMap itself. Since there are premium level of freely available
maps like Naver and Daum-Kakao, spending anyone's time and efforts only to
make a second or third level map don't move people to activate their
passion. This is the main reason many Koreans are indifferent to OSM.
Second, even among the selected Korean speaking members of OSM, they feel
language barrier to join the actual conversations. (The mailman interface
is just a peanut.)

In summary, though the mailman interface in Korean can't dramatically
change the situation of few Korean speaking members, it may help to provide
friendly environment for those who come to familiarize Talk-ko.

Respecting all your efforts,


Kyu-sung Choi, EZMapping (M. +82-10-5414-4374)
(주)이지매핑 대표 최규성 드림  (M. 010-5414-4374)

2017-02-28 21:00 GMT+09:00 :

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>1. Mailinglist in Korean? (Max)
>2. Re: Mailinglist in Korean? (Andrew Errington)
>3. Re: Mailinglist in Korean? (Changwoo Ryu)
>4. Re: Mailinglist in Korean? (Max)
>
>
> -- 전달된 메시지 --
> From: Max 
> To: "Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org" 
> Cc:
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:02:26 +0100
> Subject: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?
>
> Looking through
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
> I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective
> language. talk-ko is in English though.
> (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the
> mailman interface)
>
> Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
> Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
> Any opinions, thoughts about it?
>
>
> -- 전달된 메시지 --
> From: Andrew Errington 
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea 
> Cc:
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:06:39 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?
> I agree with this suggestion.  If it's easy to do and there are no
> objections I'll do it (I am the list administrator).  I'll wait a couple of
> days for a few more replies.  Tomorrow is a holiday in Korea.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Feb 28, 2017 7:03 PM, "Max"  wrote:
>
>
> Looking through
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
> I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective
> language. talk-ko is in English though.
> (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the
> mailman interface)
>
> Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
> Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
> Any opinions, thoughts about it?
>
> _______________
> Talk-ko mailing list
> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>
>
>
>
> -- 전달된 메시지 --
> From: Changwoo Ryu 
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea 
> Cc:
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:26:55 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?
> Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr" ISO3166
> code for ROK.)
>
>
> 2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max :
> >
> > Looking through
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
> > I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective
> language.
> > talk-ko is in English though.
> > (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the
> mailman
> > interface)
> >
> > Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
> > Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
> > Any opinions, thoughts about it?
> >
> > ___
> > Talk-ko mailing list
> > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>
>
>
>
> -- 전달된 메시지 --
> From: Max 
> To: OpenStreetMap Korea 

Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[Andrew Errington]

I agree with this suggestion.  If it's easy to do and there are no
objections I'll do it (I am the list administrator).  I'll wait a couple of
days for a few more replies.  Tomorrow is a holiday in Korea.

Andrew

On Feb 28, 2017 7:03 PM, "Max"  wrote:


Looking through
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective
language. talk-ko is in English though.
(Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the
mailman interface)

Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
Any opinions, thoughts about it?

___
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Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
___
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Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko

Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[Changwoo Ryu]

Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr" ISO3166
code for ROK.)


2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max :
>
> Looking through
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
> I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective language.
> talk-ko is in English though.
> (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the mailman
> interface)
>
> Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
> Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
> Any opinions, thoughts about it?
>
> ___
> Talk-ko mailing list
> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko

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Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[Max]

Since there is no separate email list for the DPRK, that might be 
correct to use ko or am I missing something?



On 2017년 02월 28일 12:26, Changwoo Ryu wrote:

Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr" ISO3166
code for ROK.)


2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max :


Looking through
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective language.
talk-ko is in English though.
(Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the mailman
interface)

Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
Any opinions, thoughts about it?

___
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Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko


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Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[느림보]

>From systematic view, I think two reasons made few Korean speaking members.
One is clearly language. However, a mailing list itself would make it
worse. I think a mailing list is one of the lease common communication
system in my country. People might don’t know how to join and act in this
system. It looks like foreign culture. (I don’t know, too. I tried to
response some previous threads but I hesitated because I don’t know what is
impolite attitude in a mailing list.)



It might be very difficult to invite Korean contributors in this system,
however more discussion in Korean might lead viewers into discussion. So
strongly agree with this suggestion.


느림보 (Nrimbo)

2017-02-28 20:57 GMT+09:00 Max :

> Since there is no separate email list for the DPRK, that might be correct
> to use ko or am I missing something?
>
>
>
> On 2017년 02월 28일 12:26, Changwoo Ryu wrote:
>
>> Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr" ISO3166
>> code for ROK.)
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max :
>>
>>>
>>> Looking through
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
>>> I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective
>>> language.
>>> talk-ko is in English though.
>>> (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the
>>> mailman
>>> interface)
>>>
>>> Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
>>> Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
>>> Any opinions, thoughts about it?
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Talk-ko mailing list
>>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> Talk-ko mailing list
>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Talk-ko mailing list
> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>
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Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[Changwoo Ryu]

The other talk-XX lists seems to be for regions, not for languages. So
I guess talk-ko was named by a mistake. ;)

But it's OK. It is worth discussing also about North Korean mapping.



2017-02-28 20:57 GMT+09:00 Max :
> Since there is no separate email list for the DPRK, that might be correct to
> use ko or am I missing something?
>
>
>
> On 2017년 02월 28일 12:26, Changwoo Ryu wrote:
>>
>> Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr" ISO3166
>> code for ROK.)
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max :
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking through
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
>>> I noticed that most of them have the interface in their respective
>>> language.
>>> talk-ko is in English though.
>>> (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations, just the
>>> mailman
>>> interface)
>>>
>>> Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
>>> Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
>>> Any opinions, thoughts about it?
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Talk-ko mailing list
>>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Talk-ko mailing list
>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>>
>
>
> ___
> Talk-ko mailing list
> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko

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Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[Max]

Well, that's another big discussion about mailinglists vs. other means 
of communication.


Some people for example prefer forums over email lists. There is no 
"user: Korea" folder in the official osm forums

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/

I'm not a fan of forums myself* so I am not volunteering to be admin for 
that, but maybe someone else here wants to ask for the creation of 
"users: Korea" there?


*exept https://www.discourse.org that one I found pretty amazing



On 2017년 02월 28일 13:35, 느림보 wrote:

From systematic view, I think two reasons made few Korean speaking
members. One is clearly language. However, a mailing list itself would
make it worse. I think a mailing list is one of the lease common
communication system in my country. People might don’t know how to join
and act in this system. It looks like foreign culture. (I don’t know,
too. I tried to response some previous threads but I hesitated because I
don’t know what is impolite attitude in a mailing list.)



It might be very difficult to invite Korean contributors in this system,
however more discussion in Korean might lead viewers into discussion. So
strongly agree with this suggestion.


느림보 (Nrimbo)


2017-02-28 20:57 GMT+09:00 Max mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>>:

Since there is no separate email list for the DPRK, that might be
correct to use ko or am I missing something?



On 2017년 02월 28일 12:26, Changwoo Ryu wrote:

Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr" ISO3166
code for ROK.)


2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>>:


Looking through
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/

I noticed that most of them have the interface in their
respective language.
talk-ko is in English though.
(Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations,
just the mailman
interface)

Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
Any opinions, thoughts about it?



___
Talk-ko mailing list
Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko

Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[느림보]

Opps, just Max said about interface language of mailman. I misunderstood
his suggestion, so I just tried to describe barriers that I felt. (mailman
and conversation language.) As 최규성 said I think interface language is not a
big deal.

2017-02-28 23:23 GMT+09:00 Max :

> Well, that's another big discussion about mailinglists vs. other means of
> communication.
>
> Some people for example prefer forums over email lists. There is no "user:
> Korea" folder in the official osm forums
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/
>
> I'm not a fan of forums myself* so I am not volunteering to be admin for
> that, but maybe someone else here wants to ask for the creation of "users:
> Korea" there?
>
> *exept https://www.discourse.org that one I found pretty amazing
>
>
>
> On 2017년 02월 28일 13:35, 느림보 wrote:
>
>> From systematic view, I think two reasons made few Korean speaking
>> members. One is clearly language. However, a mailing list itself would
>> make it worse. I think a mailing list is one of the lease common
>> communication system in my country. People might don’t know how to join
>> and act in this system. It looks like foreign culture. (I don’t know,
>> too. I tried to response some previous threads but I hesitated because I
>> don’t know what is impolite attitude in a mailing list.)
>>
>>
>>
>> It might be very difficult to invite Korean contributors in this system,
>> however more discussion in Korean might lead viewers into discussion. So
>> strongly agree with this suggestion.
>>
>>
>> 느림보 (Nrimbo)
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-28 20:57 GMT+09:00 Max > >:
>>
>> Since there is no separate email list for the DPRK, that might be
>> correct to use ko or am I missing something?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017년 02월 28일 12:26, Changwoo Ryu wrote:
>>
>> Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr"
>> ISO3166
>> code for ROK.)
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max > >:
>>
>>
>> Looking through
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
>> 
>> I noticed that most of them have the interface in their
>> respective language.
>> talk-ko is in English though.
>> (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations,
>> just the mailman
>> interface)
>>
>> Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
>> Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
>> Any opinions, thoughts about it?
>>
>
>
> ___
> Talk-ko mailing list
> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>
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Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[느림보]

I asked to open users: South Korea forum. I limited region to South Korea
because un-authorized communication between people in South Korea and
people in North Korea is prohibited in both Countries.

2017-03-01 10:41 GMT+09:00 느림보 :

> Opps, just Max said about interface language of mailman. I misunderstood
> his suggestion, so I just tried to describe barriers that I felt. (mailman
> and conversation language.) As 최규성 said I think interface language is not
> a big deal.
>
> 2017-02-28 23:23 GMT+09:00 Max :
>
>> Well, that's another big discussion about mailinglists vs. other means of
>> communication.
>>
>> Some people for example prefer forums over email lists. There is no
>> "user: Korea" folder in the official osm forums
>> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/
>>
>> I'm not a fan of forums myself* so I am not volunteering to be admin for
>> that, but maybe someone else here wants to ask for the creation of "users:
>> Korea" there?
>>
>> *exept https://www.discourse.org that one I found pretty amazing
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017년 02월 28일 13:35, 느림보 wrote:
>>
>>> From systematic view, I think two reasons made few Korean speaking
>>> members. One is clearly language. However, a mailing list itself would
>>> make it worse. I think a mailing list is one of the lease common
>>> communication system in my country. People might don’t know how to join
>>> and act in this system. It looks like foreign culture. (I don’t know,
>>> too. I tried to response some previous threads but I hesitated because I
>>> don’t know what is impolite attitude in a mailing list.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It might be very difficult to invite Korean contributors in this system,
>>> however more discussion in Korean might lead viewers into discussion. So
>>> strongly agree with this suggestion.
>>>
>>>
>>> 느림보 (Nrimbo)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-02-28 20:57 GMT+09:00 Max >> >:
>>>
>>> Since there is no separate email list for the DPRK, that might be
>>> correct to use ko or am I missing something?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017년 02월 28일 12:26, Changwoo Ryu wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean language. ("kr"
>>> ISO3166
>>> code for ROK.)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max >> >:
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking through
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/
>>> 
>>> I noticed that most of them have the interface in their
>>> respective language.
>>> talk-ko is in English though.
>>> (Not talking about the languag of the actual conversations,
>>> just the mailman
>>> interface)
>>>
>>> Could this be a reason for the few korean speaking members?
>>> Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
>>> Any opinions, thoughts about it?
>>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Talk-ko mailing list
>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
>>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ko] Mailinglist in Korean?

[Max]

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=95

I personally think that it's not worth it to worry about those 
prohibitions, because North Koreans don't have that access to the 
internet anyways. The Forum might be a place though where some armchair 
mapper asks questions regarding mapping North Korea, so. Anyways, just a 
thought, not so important. Good we have that forum now, maybe a welcome 
post would be nice! (and something the search engines can index..)



On 2017년 03월 01일 03:31, 느림보 wrote:

I asked to open users: South Korea forum. I limited region to South
Korea because un-authorized communication between people in South Korea
and people in North Korea is prohibited in both Countries.


2017-03-01 10:41 GMT+09:00 느림보 mailto:nri...@gmail.com>>:

Opps, just Max said about interface language of mailman. I
misunderstood his suggestion, so I just tried to describe barriers
that I felt. (mailman and conversation language.) As 최규성 said I
think interface language is not a big deal.


2017-02-28 23:23 GMT+09:00 Max mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>>:

Well, that's another big discussion about mailinglists vs. other
means of communication.

Some people for example prefer forums over email lists. There is
no "user: Korea" folder in the official osm forums
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/ 

I'm not a fan of forums myself* so I am not volunteering to be
admin for that, but maybe someone else here wants to ask for the
creation of "users: Korea" there?

*exept https://www.discourse.org that one I found pretty amazing



On 2017년 02월 28일 13:35, 느림보 wrote:

>From systematic view, I think two reasons made few Korean speaking
members. One is clearly language. However, a mailing list
itself would
make it worse. I think a mailing list is one of the lease common
communication system in my country. People might don’t know
how to join
and act in this system. It looks like foreign culture. (I
don’t know,
too. I tried to response some previous threads but I
hesitated because I
don’t know what is impolite attitude in a mailing list.)



It might be very difficult to invite Korean contributors in
this system,
however more discussion in Korean might lead viewers into
discussion. So
strongly agree with this suggestion.


느림보 (Nrimbo)


2017-02-28 20:57 GMT+09:00 Max mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>
>>:

Since there is no separate email list for the DPRK, that
might be
correct to use ko or am I missing something?



On 2017년 02월 28일 12:26, Changwoo Ryu wrote:

Actually "ko" is the ISO639 code for Korean
language. ("kr" ISO3166
code for ROK.)


2017-02-28 19:02 GMT+09:00 Max
mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>
>>:


Looking through
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/

>
I noticed that most of them have the interface
in their
respective language.
talk-ko is in English though.
(Not talking about the languag of the actual
conversations,
just the mailman
interface)

Could this be a reason for the few korean
speaking members?
Should this be changed? (I'd say yes)
Any opinions, thoughts about it?



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