Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
Thanks for the reversion and edits. One of the users I know actually wondered if that "historic" tag was ever appropriate, and I think removing it was the right way to go, as well. As for the "status of the islands", the names given to the peaks in OSM were Korean in the first place, and the area is already set as Korean territory at admin_level=2 and 4. Thus, adding further, lower-level Korean administrative boundaries and changing the name of the peak as decided by the Korean government don't seem to be changing the status, but merely updating to reflect its current status more accurately. I'll go ahead with the addition of boundaries soon. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > Edits that cannot be reasonably viewed as changing the status of the > islands are okay. Keep in mind that although you may not view an edit as > changing the status someone with an opposing view might. > > ** ** > > *From:* Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung [mailto:wesle...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:45 PM > > *To:* Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ... > > ** ** > > My understanding is that one should tell DWG first that the editing is > legitimate. Then do the editing. The link is a pretty valid one, so we > shouldn't have any problem. > > > Should you do the edit, only 일출봉 (Ilchulbong) needs renaming as follows: > > name : 우산봉 (Usanbong) > name:ko : 우산봉 > name:en : Usanbong > name:ko_rm : Usanbong > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Andrew Errington > wrote: > > Are we still able to do 'legitimate' edits? > > Should we change name:ko according to this news article? > > > http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2012/10/28/91/030100AEN20121028000700320F.HTML > > The peaks are now 우산봉 and 대한봉. > > Andrew > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung > wrote: > > I've notified pnorman of DWG about this, so it should be fixed soon. > > > > 나의 iPhone에서 보냄 > > Wesley Hwang-Chung | 정우덕 > > Tool-Box.info > > > > 2012. 10. 31. 13:28 Changwoo Ryu 작성: > > > >> Another one-time mapper: > >> > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tette_nazo/edits > >> > >> > >> 2012/10/3 Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung : > >>> I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited > the > >>>> Dok-do area again. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits > >>>> > >>>> I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't > worked. > >>>> Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. > >>>> > >>>> jama rek, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> Talk-ko mailing list > >>>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Wesley Hwang-Chung > >>> Tool-Box.info > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Talk-ko mailing list > >>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > >> > >> ___ > >> Talk-ko mailing list > >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > > > > ___ > > Talk-ko mailing list > > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > > > > > -- > Wesley Hwang-Chung > Tool-Box.info > -- Wesley Hwang-Chung Tool-Box.info ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
Edits that cannot be reasonably viewed as changing the status of the islands are okay. Keep in mind that although you may not view an edit as changing the status someone with an opposing view might. From: Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung [mailto:wesle...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:45 PM To: Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ... My understanding is that one should tell DWG first that the editing is legitimate. Then do the editing. The link is a pretty valid one, so we shouldn't have any problem. Should you do the edit, only 일출봉 (Ilchulbong) needs renaming as follows: name : 우산봉 (Usanbong) name:ko : 우산봉 name:en : Usanbong name:ko_rm : Usanbong On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: Are we still able to do 'legitimate' edits? Should we change name:ko according to this news article? http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2012/10/28/91/030100AEN20121028000700320F.HTML The peaks are now 우산봉 and 대한봉. Andrew On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung wrote: > I've notified pnorman of DWG about this, so it should be fixed soon. > > 나의 iPhone에서 보냄 > Wesley Hwang-Chung | 정우덕 > Tool-Box.info > > 2012. 10. 31. 13:28 Changwoo Ryu 작성: > >> Another one-time mapper: >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tette_nazo/edits >> >> >> 2012/10/3 Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung : >>> I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie wrote: >>>> >>>> It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited the >>>> Dok-do area again. >>>> >>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits >>>> >>>> I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't worked. >>>> Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. >>>> >>>> jama rek, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Talk-ko mailing list >>>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wesley Hwang-Chung >>> Tool-Box.info >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ko mailing list >>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >> >> ___ >> Talk-ko mailing list >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > > ___ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko -- Wesley Hwang-Chung Tool-Box.info ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
I've reverted it as well as adding the note to that node (it wasn't there before). I also removed the historic=memorial as it appears to be inappropriate for a node in the middle of the water. Tagging rocks as tourism attractions seems a bit odd too, but I haven't touched those. There is not much that can be done with users who register and make one edit. It is difficult to engage them in any form of discussion. This is why I have not approached this like a normal dispute with multiple sides but waited for someone who objects to the current tagging to contact the DWG. I know that working through the DWG for reverts and such is a bit unusual but given the regional tensions it's likely to have to continue and it beats an edit war. > From: Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung [mailto:wesle...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:06 PM > To: Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ... > > I've notified pnorman of DWG about this, so it should be fixed soon. > > 나의 iPhone에서 보냄 > Wesley Hwang-Chung | 정우덕 > Tool-Box.info > > 2012. 10. 31. 13:28 Changwoo Ryu 작성: > > > Another one-time mapper: > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tette_nazo/edits > > > > > > 2012/10/3 Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung : > >> I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie > wrote: > >>> > >>> It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has > >>> edited the Dok-do area again. > >>> > >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits > >>> > >>> I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't > worked. > >>> Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. > >>> > >>> jama rek, ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
My understanding is that one should tell DWG first that the editing is legitimate. Then do the editing. The link is a pretty valid one, so we shouldn't have any problem. Should you do the edit, only 일출봉 (Ilchulbong) needs renaming as follows: name : 우산봉 (Usanbong) name:ko : 우산봉 name:en : Usanbong name:ko_rm : Usanbong On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > Are we still able to do 'legitimate' edits? > > Should we change name:ko according to this news article? > > > http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2012/10/28/91/030100AEN20121028000700320F.HTML > > The peaks are now 우산봉 and 대한봉. > > Andrew > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung > wrote: > > I've notified pnorman of DWG about this, so it should be fixed soon. > > > > 나의 iPhone에서 보냄 > > Wesley Hwang-Chung | 정우덕 > > Tool-Box.info > > > > 2012. 10. 31. 13:28 Changwoo Ryu 작성: > > > >> Another one-time mapper: > >> > >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tette_nazo/edits > >> > >> > >> 2012/10/3 Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung : > >>> I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie > wrote: > > It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited > the > Dok-do area again. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits > > I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't > worked. > Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. > > jama rek, > > > > ___ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Wesley Hwang-Chung > >>> Tool-Box.info > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Talk-ko mailing list > >>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > >> > >> ___ > >> Talk-ko mailing list > >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > > > > ___ > > Talk-ko mailing list > > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > -- Wesley Hwang-Chung Tool-Box.info ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
Are we still able to do 'legitimate' edits? Should we change name:ko according to this news article? http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2012/10/28/91/030100AEN20121028000700320F.HTML The peaks are now 우산봉 and 대한봉. Andrew On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung wrote: > I've notified pnorman of DWG about this, so it should be fixed soon. > > 나의 iPhone에서 보냄 > Wesley Hwang-Chung | 정우덕 > Tool-Box.info > > 2012. 10. 31. 13:28 Changwoo Ryu 작성: > >> Another one-time mapper: >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tette_nazo/edits >> >> >> 2012/10/3 Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung : >>> I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie wrote: It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited the Dok-do area again. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't worked. Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. jama rek, ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wesley Hwang-Chung >>> Tool-Box.info >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ko mailing list >>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >> >> ___ >> Talk-ko mailing list >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > > ___ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
I've notified pnorman of DWG about this, so it should be fixed soon. 나의 iPhone에서 보냄 Wesley Hwang-Chung | 정우덕 Tool-Box.info 2012. 10. 31. 13:28 Changwoo Ryu 작성: > Another one-time mapper: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tette_nazo/edits > > > 2012/10/3 Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung : >> I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie wrote: >>> >>> It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited the >>> Dok-do area again. >>> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits >>> >>> I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't worked. >>> Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. >>> >>> jama rek, >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ko mailing list >>> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >> >> >> >> -- >> Wesley Hwang-Chung >> Tool-Box.info >> >> ___ >> Talk-ko mailing list >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > > ___ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
Another one-time mapper: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tette_nazo/edits 2012/10/3 Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung : > I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie wrote: >> >> It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited the >> Dok-do area again. >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits >> >> I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't worked. >> Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. >> >> jama rek, >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ko mailing list >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >> > > > > -- > Wesley Hwang-Chung > Tool-Box.info > > ___ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
Re: [Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
I've notified DWG of this now. Hopefully, it'll get taken care of. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Robert Helvie wrote: > It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited the > Dok-do area again. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits > > I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't worked. > Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. > > jama rek, > > > > ___ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > > -- Wesley Hwang-Chung Tool-Box.info ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
[Talk-ko] Dok-do edits ...
It looks like a new user named "Japanese" (just 1 day old) has edited the Dok-do area again. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Japanese/edits I guess talking to people and adding "notes" to the data hasn't worked. Maybe someone in the Foundation needs to get involved. jama rek, ___ Talk-ko mailing list Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko
