Re: [talk-ph] PNR back on track
As always, ianlopez mapped areas where most mappers don't :). Nice work. Yes, I suggest we get ahead of others to map the railways (if it still exist). At least corruption cannot stall OSming :). Interestingly, I encountered several roads locally known as "Daang Bakal", my guess is, there used to be railways for areas like this. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:32 PM, ian lopez wrote: > Yes, the PNR tracks from the Tutuban area to Alabang are on the map - > however, the tracks are "extended" to a point between Valenzuela and > Meycauayan in the north and somewhere between Tiaong and Candelaria (both in > Quezon province) in the south. There are some stations added/edited between > Tutuban and Alabang since a year ago, but I've managed to add two stations > south of Alabang (Pacita Complex, San Pablo) during that time as well. Maybe > we should map the entire PNR line up to Bicol (and "link up" with the lines > added in Candelaria and Lucena ) if the entire line is completed within two > years (my estimate). > > BTW, the old PNR trains are/were still in operation until possibly the time > of the reopening. > > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, maning sambale wrote: > > Hi, > > INQ reported that the PNR is operational again with new trains (yellow > curtains) up to Alabang. The Bicol route will soon operate by next > year (?). > > Is it in the map already? > > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Great, but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating island ??? http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the intersections look ok to me... --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > To: "OSM" > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM > Hi guys, > > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost global. > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This tool > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping unconnected > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and tagging > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). > > > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: > > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=15&lat=14.55284&lon=121.02068&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 > > > Just pan around to see more errors. Only 100 errors are > shown at a time. > > A few reminders: > 1. There may be false positives. Report it to the tool > maintainer. > 2. The data is not real time! Errors are based on the > weekly data dump. So if you correct the error, it will still > be reported until the next data dump is imported by the > tool. > > > Have fun! > > > -- Forwarded message > -- > From: Harald Kleiner > > Date: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 6:53 PM > Subject: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > To: OSM Talk > > > ...well, almost. > > > > From now on, the site > > http://keepright.ipax.at > > will provide data consistency checks not only for Europe > but also for > > Africa, Asia and South America. > > Australia is already covered by the keepright partner site > at > > http://keepright.x10hosting.com/ > > > > What's still missing in the list is North America. > Volunteers who want > > to donate computing power are welcome to join. All you need > is a > > medium-sized PC running Linux and a little bit of time to > manage running > > the program. > > > > Have a nice weekend! > > > > Harald > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > t...@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Hi Totor, George also replied asking what these floating island errors mean. As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a few ferry routes would fix it? I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. Eugene / seav On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Totor Osm wrote: > > > Great, > > but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating island ??? > > > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 > > Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the intersections look ok > to me... > > > > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > > To: "OSM" > > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM > > Hi guys, > > > > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost global. > > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This tool > > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping unconnected > > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and tagging > > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). > > > > > > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: > > > > > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=15&lat=14.55284&lon=121.02068&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 > > > > > > Just pan around to see more errors. Only 100 errors are > > shown at a time. > > > > A few reminders: > > 1. There may be false positives. Report it to the tool > > maintainer. > > 2. The data is not real time! Errors are based on the > > weekly data dump. So if you correct the error, it will still > > be reported until the next data dump is imported by the > > tool. > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > -- Forwarded message > > -- > > From: Harald Kleiner > > > > Date: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 6:53 PM > > Subject: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > > To: OSM Talk > > > > > > ...well, almost. > > > > > > > > From now on, the site > > > > http://keepright.ipax.at > > > > will provide data consistency checks not only for Europe > > but also for > > > > Africa, Asia and South America. > > > > Australia is already covered by the keepright partner site > > at > > > > http://keepright.x10hosting.com/ > > > > > > > > What's still missing in the list is North America. > > Volunteers who want > > > > to donate computing power are welcome to join. All you need > > is a > > > > medium-sized PC running Linux and a little bit of time to > > manage running > > > > the program. > > > > > > > > Have a nice weekend! > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > talk mailing list > > > > t...@openstreetmap.org > > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Checked the data, looks good to me in josm. Other than some roads are unnamed. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Hi Totor, > > George also replied asking what these floating island errors mean. > > As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small network of > navigable ways that is not connected to the rest of the network. It does > detect "islands" in Metro Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it > seems to think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a few > ferry routes would fix it? > > I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think he anticipated > archipelagos. Hehehe. > > Eugene / seav > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Totor Osm wrote: >> >> >> Great, >> >> but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating island ??? >> >> >> http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 >> >> Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the intersections look ok >> to me... >> >> >> >> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >> > From: Eugene Alvin Villar >> > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >> > To: "OSM" >> > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost global. >> > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This tool >> > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping unconnected >> > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and tagging >> > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). >> > >> > >> > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: >> > >> > >> > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=15&lat=14.55284&lon=121.02068&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 >> > >> > >> > Just pan around to see more errors. Only 100 errors are >> > shown at a time. >> > >> > A few reminders: >> > 1. There may be false positives. Report it to the tool >> > maintainer. >> > 2. The data is not real time! Errors are based on the >> > weekly data dump. So if you correct the error, it will still >> > be reported until the next data dump is imported by the >> > tool. >> > >> > >> > Have fun! >> > >> > >> > -- Forwarded message >> > -- >> > From: Harald Kleiner >> > >> > Date: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 6:53 PM >> > Subject: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >> > To: OSM Talk >> > >> > >> > ...well, almost. >> > >> > >> > >> > From now on, the site >> > >> > http://keepright.ipax.at >> > >> > will provide data consistency checks not only for Europe >> > but also for >> > >> > Africa, Asia and South America. >> > >> > Australia is already covered by the keepright partner site >> > at >> > >> > http://keepright.x10hosting.com/ >> > >> > >> > >> > What's still missing in the list is North America. >> > Volunteers who want >> > >> > to donate computing power are welcome to join. All you need >> > is a >> > >> > medium-sized PC running Linux and a little bit of time to >> > manage running >> > >> > the program. >> > >> > >> > >> > Have a nice weekend! >> > >> > >> > >> > Harald >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > >> > talk mailing list >> > >> > t...@openstreetmap.org >> > >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >> > >> > >> > -Inline Attachment Follows- >> > >> > ___ >> > talk-ph mailing list >> > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Ack! I've done a quick look around and it seems that the general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with these errors! On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Hi Totor, > > George also replied asking what these floating island errors mean. > > As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small network of > navigable ways that is not connected to the rest of the network. It does > detect "islands" in Metro Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it > seems to think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a few > ferry routes would fix it? > > I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think he anticipated > archipelagos. Hehehe. > > Eugene / seav > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Totor Osm wrote: > >> >> >> Great, >> >> but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating island ??? >> >> >> http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 >> >> Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the intersections look ok >> to me... >> >> >> >> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >> > From: Eugene Alvin Villar >> > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >> > To: "OSM" >> > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost global. >> > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This tool >> > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping unconnected >> > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and tagging >> > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). >> > >> > >> > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: >> > >> > >> http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=15&lat=14.55284&lon=121.02068&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 >> > >> > >> > Just pan around to see more errors. Only 100 errors are >> > shown at a time. >> > >> > A few reminders: >> > 1. There may be false positives. Report it to the tool >> > maintainer. >> > 2. The data is not real time! Errors are based on the >> > weekly data dump. So if you correct the error, it will still >> > be reported until the next data dump is imported by the >> > tool. >> > >> > >> > Have fun! >> > >> > >> > -- Forwarded message >> > -- >> > From: Harald Kleiner >> > >> > Date: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 6:53 PM >> > Subject: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >> > To: OSM Talk >> > >> > >> > ...well, almost. >> > >> > >> > >> > From now on, the site >> > >> > http://keepright.ipax.at >> > >> > will provide data consistency checks not only for Europe >> > but also for >> > >> > Africa, Asia and South America. >> > >> > Australia is already covered by the keepright partner site >> > at >> > >> > http://keepright.x10hosting.com/ >> > >> > >> > >> > What's still missing in the list is North America. >> > Volunteers who want >> > >> > to donate computing power are welcome to join. All you need >> > is a >> > >> > medium-sized PC running Linux and a little bit of time to >> > manage running >> > >> > the program. >> > >> > >> > >> > Have a nice weekend! >> > >> > >> > >> > Harald >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > >> > talk mailing list >> > >> > t...@openstreetmap.org >> > >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >> > >> > >> > -Inline Attachment Follows- >> > >> > ___ >> > talk-ph mailing list >> > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not conneected. In Cebu this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of Cebu Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on other intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? I'll try to connect them tomorrow. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > To: "Totor Osm" > Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM > Ack! > > I've done a quick look around and it seems that the > general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with > these errors! > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, > Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > > Hi Totor, > > George also replied asking what these floating island > errors mean. > > As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small > network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest > of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro > Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to > think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a > few ferry routes would fix it? > > > > I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think > he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. > > Eugene / seav > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, > Totor Osm > wrote: > > > > > > > Great, > > > > but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating > island ??? > > > > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 > > > > > > Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the > intersections look ok to me... > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > > > > > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > > > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes > global > > > To: "OSM" > > > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost > global. > > > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This > tool > > > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping > unconnected > > > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and > tagging > > > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). > > > > > > > > > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: > > > > > > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=15&lat=14.55284&lon=121.02068&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 > > > > > > > > > > > Just pan around to see more errors. Only 100 errors > are > > > shown at a time. > > > > > > A few reminders: > > > 1. There may be false positives. Report it to the > tool > > > maintainer. > > > 2. The data is not real time! Errors are based on the > > > weekly data dump. So if you correct the error, it will > still > > > be reported until the next data dump is imported by > the > > > tool. > > > > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message > > > -- > > > From: Harald Kleiner > > > > > > Date: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 6:53 PM > > > Subject: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > > > To: OSM Talk > > > > > > > > > ...well, almost. > > > > > > > > > > > > From now on, the site > > > > > > http://keepright.ipax.at > > > > > > will provide data consistency checks not only for > Europe > > > but also for > > > > > > Africa, Asia and South America. > > > > > > Australia is already covered by the keepright partner > site > > > at > > > > > > http://keepright.x10hosting.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > What's still missing in the list is North > America. > > > Volunteers who want > > > > > > to donate computing power are welcome to join. All you > need > > > is a > > > > > > medium-sized PC running Linux and a little bit of time > to > > > manage running > > > > > > the program. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice weekend! > > > > > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > talk mailing list > > > > > > t...@openstreetmap.org > > > > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > > > > > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > > > > > ___ > > > talk-ph mailing list > > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing li
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Hi guys, I asked the tool's maintainer how the floating island error is determined. Here's his answer: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038800.html I've reprinted it here below for convenience: The motto of this check is "you can go everywhere from everywhere". > > There is a set of starting points (highways in the center of big cities > that are well connected to many other streets) I picked randomly. The check > finds ways that are connected to these ways and thus finds a (bigger) set of > ways. This procedure is repeated until no more ways are found. Any way that > was not found is a floating island. > > There are 30 starting points all over the world, one of them in Manila. > > Please note that the check will follow any highway and ferries are > included, so it _should_ find islands as long as there's a ferry connected > to a highway on the island. So it seems that everything not connected to the main streets of Metro Manila is considered as a "floating island". Mindoro is covered since there is a ferry route from Batangas to Puerto Galera. I think if we can at least sketch out the Ro-Ro routes, we can cover most of the major island. I will also suggest adding Cebu and Davao cities as seeds to minimize problems. However, this will not cover all the islands (there are about 2,000 inhabited islands out of 7,100+ and not all of them have regular ferry routes [like Batanes (?) which is served by flights]) so this means that we cannot rely on keep right to point out all floating island errors. I think a customized QA tool for the Philippines would be needed. I hope this helps! In the meantime, just uncheck this error and ignore it until we can have a backbone connection for the Philippines and more seeds. Eugene / seav On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Totor Osm wrote: > > I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not conneected. In > Cebu this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of > Cebu Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on > other intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? > > I'll try to connect them tomorrow. > > --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > > To: "Totor Osm" > > Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" > > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM > > Ack! > > > > I've done a quick look around and it seems that the > > general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with > > these errors! > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, > > Eugene Alvin Villar > > wrote: > > > > Hi Totor, > > > > George also replied asking what these floating island > > errors mean. > > > > As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small > > network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest > > of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro > > Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to > > think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a > > few ferry routes would fix it? > > > > > > > > I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think > > he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. > > > > Eugene / seav > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, > > Totor Osm > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, > > > > > > > > but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating > > island ??? > > > > > > > > > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the > > intersections look ok to me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > > > > > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes > > global > > > > > To: "OSM" > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost > > global. > > > > > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This > > tool > > > > > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping > > unconnected > > > > > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and > > tagging > > > > > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: > > > > > > > > > > > http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=15&lat=14.55284&lon=121.02068&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100=1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192=1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just pan around to see more errors. Only 100 errors >
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Ohh, but I added a flight route from Davao to Manila. Check the data, its there but I don't know why it did not appear. So, Technically Davao is connected to Manila by plane. I will try to add ferry route to Manila. Its a very long route. murlwe <-Original Message-> >From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com] >Sent: 7/21/2009 12:10:35 PM >To: totor_...@yahoo.com >Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > >Hi guys, > >I asked the tool's maintainer how the floating island error is determined. >Here's his answer: >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038800.html > >I've reprinted it here below for convenience: > > >The motto of this check is "you can go everywhere from everywhere". > >There is a set of starting points (highways in the center of big cities that are >well connected to many other streets) I picked randomly. The check finds ways >that are connected to these ways and thus finds a (bigger) set of ways. This >procedure is repeated until no more ways are found. Any way that was not found >is a floating island. > >There are 30 starting points all over the world, one of them in Manila. > >Please note that the check will follow any highway and ferries are included, so >it _should_ find islands as long as there's a ferry connected to a highway on >the island. > >So it seems that everything not connected to the main streets of Metro Manila is >considered as a "floating island". Mindoro is covered since there is a ferry >route from Batangas to Puerto Galera. I think if we can at least sketch out the >Ro-Ro routes, we can cover most of the major island. I will also suggest adding >Cebu and Davao cities as seeds to minimize problems. > >However, this will not cover all the islands (there are about 2,000 inhabited >islands out of 7,100+ and not all of them have regular ferry routes [like >Batanes (?) which is served by flights]) so this means that we cannot rely on >keep right to point out all floating island errors. I think a customized QA tool >for the Philippines would be needed. > >I hope this helps! In the meantime, just uncheck this error and ignore it until >we can have a backbone connection for the Philippines and more seeds. > > >Eugene / seav > > > > >On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Totor Osm wrote: > > >I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not conneected. In Cebu >this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of Cebu >Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on other >intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? > >I'll try to connect them tomorrow. > > >--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > >> From: Eugene Alvin Villar > >> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >> To: "Totor Osm" >> Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" >> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM > >> Ack! >> >> I've done a quick look around and it seems that the >> general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with >> these errors! >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, >> Eugene Alvin Villar >> wrote: >> >> Hi Totor, >> >> George also replied asking what these floating island >> errors mean. >> >> As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small >> network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest >> of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro >> Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to >> think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a >> few ferry routes would fix it? >> >> >> >> I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think >> he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. >> >> Eugene / seav >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, >> Totor Osm >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Great, >> >> >> >> but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating >> island ??? >> >> >> >> >http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&; lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100 =1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192 =1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ ign=1&show_tmpign=1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the >> intersections look ok to me... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > From: Eugene Alvin Villar >> >> > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes >> global >> >> > To: "OSM" >> >> > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM >> >> > Hi guys, >> >> > >> >> > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost >> global. >> >> > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This >> tool >> >> > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping >> unconnected >> >> > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and >> tagging >> >> > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: >> >> > >> >> > >h
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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
The plane route shoud connect to a road, that's how I understand it. Same with ferry routes On 7/21/09, Marloue Pidor wrote: > Ohh, but I added a flight route from Davao to Manila. Check the data, > its there but I don't know why it did not appear. So, Technically Davao > is connected to Manila by plane. I will try to add ferry route to > Manila. Its a very long route. > > > murlwe > > <-Original Message-> >>From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com] >>Sent: 7/21/2009 12:10:35 PM >>To: totor_...@yahoo.com >>Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >> >>Hi guys, >> >>I asked the tool's maintainer how the floating island error is > determined. >>Here's his answer: >>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038800.html >> >>I've reprinted it here below for convenience: >> >> >>The motto of this check is "you can go everywhere from everywhere". >> >>There is a set of starting points (highways in the center of big cities > that are >>well connected to many other streets) I picked randomly. The check > finds ways >>that are connected to these ways and thus finds a (bigger) set of ways. > This >>procedure is repeated until no more ways are found. Any way that was > not found >>is a floating island. >> >>There are 30 starting points all over the world, one of them in Manila. >> >>Please note that the check will follow any highway and ferries are > included, so >>it _should_ find islands as long as there's a ferry connected to a > highway on >>the island. >> >>So it seems that everything not connected to the main streets of Metro > Manila is >>considered as a "floating island". Mindoro is covered since there is a > ferry >>route from Batangas to Puerto Galera. I think if we can at least sketch > out the >>Ro-Ro routes, we can cover most of the major island. I will also > suggest adding >>Cebu and Davao cities as seeds to minimize problems. >> >>However, this will not cover all the islands (there are about 2,000 > inhabited >>islands out of 7,100+ and not all of them have regular ferry routes > [like >>Batanes (?) which is served by flights]) so this means that we cannot > rely on >>keep right to point out all floating island errors. I think a > customized QA tool >>for the Philippines would be needed. >> >>I hope this helps! In the meantime, just uncheck this error and ignore > it until >>we can have a backbone connection for the Philippines and more seeds. >> >> >>Eugene / seav >> >> >> >> >>On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Totor Osm > wrote: >> >> >>I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not > conneected. In Cebu >>this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of > Cebu >>Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on > other >>intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? >> >>I'll try to connect them tomorrow. >> >> >>--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >>> From: Eugene Alvin Villar >> >>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >>> To: "Totor Osm" >>> Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" >>> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM >> >>> Ack! >>> >>> I've done a quick look around and it seems that the >>> general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with >>> these errors! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, >>> Eugene Alvin Villar >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Totor, >>> >>> George also replied asking what these floating island >>> errors mean. >>> >>> As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small >>> network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest >>> of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro >>> Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to >>> think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a >>> few ferry routes would fix it? >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think >>> he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. >>> >>> Eugene / seav >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, >>> Totor Osm >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Great, >>> >>> >>> >>> but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating >>> island ??? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&; > lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100 > =1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192 > =1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ > ign=1&show_tmpign=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the >>> intersections look ok to me... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > From: Eugene Alvin Villar >>> >>> > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes >>> global >>> >>> > To: "OSM" >>> >>> > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM >>> >>> > Hi guys, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost >>> global. >>>
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
@marloue: we'll just have to recheck the roads, maning is probably right we might have missed something out. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM, maning sambale wrote: > The plane route shoud connect to a road, that's how I understand it. > Same with ferry routes > > On 7/21/09, Marloue Pidor wrote: >> Ohh, but I added a flight route from Davao to Manila. Check the data, >> its there but I don't know why it did not appear. So, Technically Davao >> is connected to Manila by plane. I will try to add ferry route to >> Manila. Its a very long route. >> >> >> murlwe >> >> <-Original Message-> >>>From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com] >>>Sent: 7/21/2009 12:10:35 PM >>>To: totor_...@yahoo.com >>>Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >>> >>>Hi guys, >>> >>>I asked the tool's maintainer how the floating island error is >> determined. >>>Here's his answer: >>>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038800.html >>> >>>I've reprinted it here below for convenience: >>> >>> >>>The motto of this check is "you can go everywhere from everywhere". >>> >>>There is a set of starting points (highways in the center of big cities >> that are >>>well connected to many other streets) I picked randomly. The check >> finds ways >>>that are connected to these ways and thus finds a (bigger) set of ways. >> This >>>procedure is repeated until no more ways are found. Any way that was >> not found >>>is a floating island. >>> >>>There are 30 starting points all over the world, one of them in Manila. >>> >>>Please note that the check will follow any highway and ferries are >> included, so >>>it _should_ find islands as long as there's a ferry connected to a >> highway on >>>the island. >>> >>>So it seems that everything not connected to the main streets of Metro >> Manila is >>>considered as a "floating island". Mindoro is covered since there is a >> ferry >>>route from Batangas to Puerto Galera. I think if we can at least sketch >> out the >>>Ro-Ro routes, we can cover most of the major island. I will also >> suggest adding >>>Cebu and Davao cities as seeds to minimize problems. >>> >>>However, this will not cover all the islands (there are about 2,000 >> inhabited >>>islands out of 7,100+ and not all of them have regular ferry routes >> [like >>>Batanes (?) which is served by flights]) so this means that we cannot >> rely on >>>keep right to point out all floating island errors. I think a >> customized QA tool >>>for the Philippines would be needed. >>> >>>I hope this helps! In the meantime, just uncheck this error and ignore >> it until >>>we can have a backbone connection for the Philippines and more seeds. >>> >>> >>>Eugene / seav >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Totor Osm >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not >> conneected. In Cebu >>>this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of >> Cebu >>>Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on >> other >>>intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? >>> >>>I'll try to connect them tomorrow. >>> >>> >>>--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >>> From: Eugene Alvin Villar >>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global To: "Totor Osm" Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM >>> Ack! I've done a quick look around and it seems that the general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with these errors! On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hi Totor, George also replied asking what these floating island errors mean. As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a few ferry routes would fix it? I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. Eugene / seav On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Totor Osm wrote: Great, but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating island ??? >>>http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578&; >> lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100 >> =1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192 >> =1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ >> ign=1&show_tmpign=1 Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the intersections look ok to me...
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
Especially ferry routes. At least in garmin, you need to connect a road to the ferry route to be able to use the device for inter-island navigation. I don't think this is truly correct. If there is really no road between the pier and the pier parking, why should we link them? Just a thought. I agree with Eugene, keepright is not yet optimized for an archipelago like ours. But given more feedback, it will get better. On 7/21/09, George Tujan wrote: > @marloue: we'll just have to recheck the roads, maning is probably > right we might have missed something out. > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM, maning > sambale wrote: >> The plane route shoud connect to a road, that's how I understand it. >> Same with ferry routes >> >> On 7/21/09, Marloue Pidor wrote: >>> Ohh, but I added a flight route from Davao to Manila. Check the data, >>> its there but I don't know why it did not appear. So, Technically Davao >>> is connected to Manila by plane. I will try to add ferry route to >>> Manila. Its a very long route. >>> >>> >>> murlwe >>> >>> <-Original Message-> From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com] Sent: 7/21/2009 12:10:35 PM To: totor_...@yahoo.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global Hi guys, I asked the tool's maintainer how the floating island error is >>> determined. Here's his answer: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038800.html I've reprinted it here below for convenience: The motto of this check is "you can go everywhere from everywhere". There is a set of starting points (highways in the center of big cities >>> that are well connected to many other streets) I picked randomly. The check >>> finds ways that are connected to these ways and thus finds a (bigger) set of ways. >>> This procedure is repeated until no more ways are found. Any way that was >>> not found is a floating island. There are 30 starting points all over the world, one of them in Manila. Please note that the check will follow any highway and ferries are >>> included, so it _should_ find islands as long as there's a ferry connected to a >>> highway on the island. So it seems that everything not connected to the main streets of Metro >>> Manila is considered as a "floating island". Mindoro is covered since there is a >>> ferry route from Batangas to Puerto Galera. I think if we can at least sketch >>> out the Ro-Ro routes, we can cover most of the major island. I will also >>> suggest adding Cebu and Davao cities as seeds to minimize problems. However, this will not cover all the islands (there are about 2,000 >>> inhabited islands out of 7,100+ and not all of them have regular ferry routes >>> [like Batanes (?) which is served by flights]) so this means that we cannot >>> rely on keep right to point out all floating island errors. I think a >>> customized QA tool for the Philippines would be needed. I hope this helps! In the meantime, just uncheck this error and ignore >>> it until we can have a backbone connection for the Philippines and more seeds. Eugene / seav On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Totor Osm >>> wrote: I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not >>> conneected. In Cebu this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of >>> Cebu Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on >>> other intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? I'll try to connect them tomorrow. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > To: "Totor Osm" > Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM > Ack! > > I've done a quick look around and it seems that the > general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with > these errors! > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, > Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > > Hi Totor, > > George also replied asking what these floating island > errors mean. > > As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small > network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest > of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro > Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to > think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a > few ferry routes would fix it? > > > > I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think > he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. > > Eugene / seav > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, > Totor Osm > wrote: > > > > > >>>
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global
well like all things OSM...use where it applies :) On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, maning sambale wrote: > Especially ferry routes. At least in garmin, you need to connect a > road to the ferry route to be able to use the device for inter-island > navigation. I don't think this is truly correct. If there is really > no road between the pier and the pier parking, why should we link > them? > > Just a thought. > > I agree with Eugene, keepright is not yet optimized for an archipelago > like ours. But given more feedback, it will get better. > > On 7/21/09, George Tujan wrote: >> @marloue: we'll just have to recheck the roads, maning is probably >> right we might have missed something out. >> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM, maning >> sambale wrote: >>> The plane route shoud connect to a road, that's how I understand it. >>> Same with ferry routes >>> >>> On 7/21/09, Marloue Pidor wrote: Ohh, but I added a flight route from Davao to Manila. Check the data, its there but I don't know why it did not appear. So, Technically Davao is connected to Manila by plane. I will try to add ferry route to Manila. Its a very long route. murlwe <-Original Message-> >From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com] >Sent: 7/21/2009 12:10:35 PM >To: totor_...@yahoo.com >Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global > >Hi guys, > >I asked the tool's maintainer how the floating island error is determined. >Here's his answer: >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038800.html > >I've reprinted it here below for convenience: > > >The motto of this check is "you can go everywhere from everywhere". > >There is a set of starting points (highways in the center of big cities that are >well connected to many other streets) I picked randomly. The check finds ways >that are connected to these ways and thus finds a (bigger) set of ways. This >procedure is repeated until no more ways are found. Any way that was not found >is a floating island. > >There are 30 starting points all over the world, one of them in Manila. > >Please note that the check will follow any highway and ferries are included, so >it _should_ find islands as long as there's a ferry connected to a highway on >the island. > >So it seems that everything not connected to the main streets of Metro Manila is >considered as a "floating island". Mindoro is covered since there is a ferry >route from Batangas to Puerto Galera. I think if we can at least sketch out the >Ro-Ro routes, we can cover most of the major island. I will also suggest adding >Cebu and Davao cities as seeds to minimize problems. > >However, this will not cover all the islands (there are about 2,000 inhabited >islands out of 7,100+ and not all of them have regular ferry routes [like >Batanes (?) which is served by flights]) so this means that we cannot rely on >keep right to point out all floating island errors. I think a customized QA tool >for the Philippines would be needed. > >I hope this helps! In the meantime, just uncheck this error and ignore it until >we can have a backbone connection for the Philippines and more seeds. > > >Eugene / seav > > > > >On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Totor Osm wrote: > > >I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not conneected. In Cebu >this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of Cebu >Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on other >intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? > >I'll try to connect them tomorrow. > > >--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > >> From: Eugene Alvin Villar > >> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >> To: "Totor Osm" >> Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" >> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM > >> Ack! >> >> I've done a quick look around and it seems that the >> general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with >> these errors! >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, >> Eugene Alvin Villar >> wrote: >> >> Hi Totor, >> >> George also replied asking what these floating island >> errors mean. >> >> As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small >> network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest >> of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro >> Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to >> think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a >> few ferry routes would fix it?
