[talk-ph] Google WMS JOSM

[maning sambale]

There is java program that can access google tiles in JOSM (java app
for OSM editing).  While JOSM was developed primarily for OSM editing,
you can use it outside OSM.  I also use JOSM in some mapping projects
because the editing functions are better than most GIS apps I use.

However, any edits derived from big G's tiles shouldn't be uploaded in
the OSM database.   Full discussion here:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-March/049330.html

Please resist any temptation to click the "UPLOAD" button when you are
using this Google WMS program.
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Re: [talk-ph] banks or ATMs?

[maning sambale]

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bank

You can add atm=yes for banks with ATM.  For ATMs only, amenity=atm.
My personal practice, I don't add atm=yes for most banks (in most
cases ATMs are available), of course you can atm=no for banks without
atms.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:29 AM, tutubi
 wrote:
> Hi maning,
>
> if i add a bank with ATM, do i tag it as a bank, ATM or both?
> Not all banks have ATMs and some ATMs are also off-site, meaning not
> in a bank branch.
> I think I can get waypoints of thousands of ATMs but I need to learn
> how to construct a GPX file (which I find similar to HTML/CSS/XML). I
> work in the banking industry, btw.

This is great! But first, please clear up with the license.


> I'm currently populating POIs of my area in QC and plan to map Paete
> and nearby areas during Holy Week
>
> thanks
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[talk-ph] osm-ph garmin map users do not tag for the renderer (Fwd: ref tags seem to override name tags on ways in the Garmin maps)

[maning sambale]

Dear OSM-PH Garmin Users,

Eugene reminded me that some contributors are removing the ref tags on
major roads in Metro Manila.  The reason was because this was shown in
the OSM-PH Garmin Maps.  This is classic case of tagging for the
renderer:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer

Please don't do this.  File a bug report in the OSM-PH Garmin map
tracsvn site if you have issues with the Garmin Map style and we will
fix them as soon as we can.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Eugene Alvin Villar 
Date: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:07 PM
Subject: ref tags seem to override name tags on ways in the Garmin maps
To: maning sambale 


Hi maning,

I've been noticing that some contributors have been deleting the ref
tags (C-4, R-3) from EDSA and SLEX. I've asked them why they're doing
this and apparently, it's because what gets displayed as the "title"
in the Garmin units is the ref value instead of the expected name.

Can this be fixed on the mkgmap options?

Eugene



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Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[maning sambale]

POIs done (1979 nodes in all)!

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4282186

The initial POI tags are here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Data_import_Arivac_Bohol#POI_tags

Sample tagging
OSM added tags
amenity:clinic
clinic:public
source:arivac
source:url:http://hisdu2.sph.uq.edu.au/arivac/
FIXME:add names and proper tags

Arivac reference tags
arivac:name:L-01-606-010-06
arivac:type_id:1.00
arivac:typetxt:Barangay health station

Some notes:
1. I didn't reconciled it with the existing POIs in OSM, I hope local
mappers would do that.
2. Many tags are not "official" in a sense with the default OSM Map
Features, for example, shop:corn_rice_mill.
3. A lot of POIs I don't normally map myself but I feel this is
important for rural areas like sari-sari stores which were tagged as
shop=convenience.
4. Some POIs are lumped into a sing category which needs further
verification, for example, Car/motorcycle/bicycle shop/metal/car
distributors which were tagged as   shop:car_parts.
5.  All POIs don't have a name

Enjoy!
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Marloue Pidor  wrote:
> Wow! this is nice, definitely this will help populate Bohol map.
>
> Best,
>
> murlwe
>
> <-Original Message->
>>From: Jeroen Hellingman [jer...@bohol.ph]
>>Sent: 3/31/2010 4:04:18 AM
>>To:
>>Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import
>>
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I've added a promotional article on this subject on my website
>>
>>http://www.bohol.ph/article.php?id=243
>>
>>Hope it helps to attract more volunteers.
>>
>>Remarks and corrections welcome!
>>
>>Jeroen.
>>
>>On 2010-03-30 19:56, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>>Well, because of Potlatch's 'R' key, many of Arivac's IDs are no longer
>> correct. :-P
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Totor  wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Great job Maning,
>>and thanks to Arivac for the data.
>>
>>Some users are even more exited than you Maning:
>>Doy_nick is already racing to improve the data !
>>http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=123.626%2C9.54%2C124.18%2C9.806
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Re: [talk-ph] Philippine representative to SOTM 2010

[Marloue Pidor]

Yep, lets start voting before they announce it. My vote is for Maning
and Eugene. 

Eugene, ready na ba ang passport mo? hehe

Best,

murlwe

<-Original Message-> 
>From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com]
>Sent: 3/29/2010 8:19:39 PM
>To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Philippine representative to SOTM 2010
>
>Hi guys,
>
>It's almost quite sure that SOTM will be having the scholarship program
again so
>I guess we need to decide among ourselves who will go to Spain to
represent and
>present about the Philippine OSM community.
>
>Just like last year, my vote goes to Maning and my second vote is for
Marloue.
>:-)
>
>Eugene (osm:seav) 


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Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Marloue Pidor]

Wow! this is nice, definitely this will help populate Bohol map.

Best,

murlwe

<-Original Message-> 
>From: Jeroen Hellingman [jer...@bohol.ph]
>Sent: 3/31/2010 4:04:18 AM
>To: 
>Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I've added a promotional article on this subject on my website
>
>http://www.bohol.ph/article.php?id=243
>
>Hope it helps to attract more volunteers.
>
>Remarks and corrections welcome!
>
>Jeroen.
>
>On 2010-03-30 19:56, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: 
>Well, because of Potlatch's 'R' key, many of Arivac's IDs are no longer
correct. :-P
>
>
>On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Totor  wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>Great job Maning,
>and thanks to Arivac for the data.
>
>Some users are even more exited than you Maning:
>Doy_nick is already racing to improve the data !
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=123.626%2C9.54%2C124.18%2C9.8
06 


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Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Jeroen Hellingman]

Hi All,

I've added a promotional article on this subject on my website

http://www.bohol.ph/article.php?id=243

Hope it helps to attract more volunteers.

Remarks and corrections welcome!

Jeroen.

On 2010-03-30 19:56, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
Well, because of Potlatch's 'R' key, many of Arivac's IDs are no 
longer correct. :-P


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Totor > wrote:


Hi,

Great job Maning,
and thanks to Arivac for the data.

Some users are even more exited than you Maning:
Doy_nick is already racing to improve the data !
http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=123.626%2C9.54%2C124.18%2C9.806



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Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Well, because of Potlatch's 'R' key, many of Arivac's IDs are no longer
correct. :-P

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Totor  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Great job Maning,
> and thanks to Arivac for the data.
>
> Some users are even more exited than you Maning:
> Doy_nick is already racing to improve the data !
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=123.626%2C9.54%2C124.18%2C9.806
>
> Cheers,
>
> Totor
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, maning sambale  wrote:
>
> > From: maning sambale 
> > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import
> > To: "osm-ph" 
> > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:46 AM
> > Initial import is complete:
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4274673
> > approx 420 ++ km of new roads added
> >
> >
>
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[talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

nice very nice, accurate too i find.
are POIs still to come?
Is there a site that stores tiles each day so we can compare before and 
after?

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Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Totor]

Hi,

Great job Maning, 
and thanks to Arivac for the data.

Some users are even more exited than you Maning:
Doy_nick is already racing to improve the data !
http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=123.626%2C9.54%2C124.18%2C9.806

Cheers,

Totor


--- On Tue, 3/30/10, maning sambale  wrote:

> From: maning sambale 
> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import
> To: "osm-ph" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:46 AM
> Initial import is complete:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4274673
> approx 420 ++ km of new roads added
> 
> 



  

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Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[maning sambale]

Initial import is complete:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4274673
approx 420 ++ km of new roads added


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM, maning sambale
 wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Totor  wrote:
>> I think option 3 is the best indeed, so that we will not lose the existing 
>> road classification.
> Done!  I'm finished with conflating OSM and Arivac data.  There are
> some ways that I did not removed because I'm not sure which has better
> road representation.
>
> Eugene has some reservations with using:
> website:http://hisdu2.sph.uq.edu.au/arivac/
>
> Should I revert back to source_url:http://hisdu2.sph.uq.edu.au/arivac/ ?
>
>> Would it be a big job to also create an osm file with the ways that are not 
>> imported ?
>
> I can provide the original OSM  file for others to use with offline editing.
>
>> This would allow in a second time to manually check the position of the 
>> already existing roads. (since some seem based on gps traces jumping all 
>> over the place.)
>> We could also wait for GPS traces...
> I hope they provide them as well.
>
> I will wait for more replies today before uploading the initial
> import.  I hope to finish this today so that others can start editing
> this holy week.  Think of it as your penance. :)
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Totor
>>
>> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, maning sambale  wrote:
>>
>>> From: maning sambale 
>>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import
>>> To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 2:19 AM
>>> Alright, I didn't "hear" any
>>> objections, so I assume the community is
>>> OK with the road import.  We will be adopting Option 3
>>> : Pre-process
>>> data to remove any duplicates from existing OSM data before
>>> upload.
>>>
>>> I will start conflating both data offline (osm and
>>> arivac).   When
>>> there is duplicate with arivac, OSM data will be
>>> retained.  The
>>> generic tag for roads are as follows:
>>>
>>> FIXME:verify road type
>>> arivac_ID_ROA_BAS_: some number
>>> highway:road
>>> source:arivac
>>> website:http://hisdu2.sph.uq.edu.au/arivac/
>>>
>>> The donor requested to retain the "arivac_ID_ROA_BAS_: some
>>> number" so
>>> that they can integrate our improvements into their own
>>> database later
>>> on.
>>>
>>> After the import, more work is needed particularly in add
>>> the correct
>>> highway category.
>>>
>>> I will announce the import later and will proceed if there
>>> no further
>>> objections.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Totor 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello all,
>>> >
>>> > Great data as far as it can be checked.
>>> > (there are not that many gps traces in Tagbilaran with
>>> a good dop)
>>> > The maximum offset to my gps tracks is around 5m
>>> >
>>> > Some intersections look a bit weird (4 roads join 2 by
>>> 2, then a link joins the 2 nodes instead of 1 common node
>>> for the 4 segments) but that can be fixed easily later on.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Totor
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Maning's daily updates of osmphil_garmin maps gets us contributors!

[maning sambale]

Ahh the secret is now out in the open.  For those unaware, the OSM-PH
Garmin Map is an elaborate recruitment scheme for OSM. :)

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Maning had a hunch that we are getting more contributions to OSM ever since
> he started the daily Garmin map updates.
>
> Well, I found the proof that this is so:
> http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1427010&postcount=59
>
>> I started contributing to osm ph last week. Natuwa ako kasi it's web based
>> ang pag edit ng map, at hindi ko na kelangan mag upload. And after 2 days
>> nasa latest release na agad yung ginawa ko. Last update kahapon, Feb 26.
>
> :-D
>
>
> Eugene (osm:seav)
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