Re: [talk-ph] tagging rotund/roundabout

2011-02-07 Thread tutubi
quezon circle has no roads that cut through it but there are two entrances
and exits plus gates at the access roads
maysilo has a road that cuts through from martinez to the other side and
passes in front of manda city hall
monumento has no road and is a true rotonda

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Rally de Leon  wrote:

> > Thus, I think QC's Elliptical Road, and Mandaluyong's Maysilo are *not*
> > roundabouts.
> >
>
> I haven't checked the entire Elliptical Road's entrances to the inner
> circle (the park etc), but I don't think it's possible for a car to cut
> directly across the elliptical road, from the outer to the inner. All
> vehicles coming from the radial roads are required to turn right and follow
> the circle. Vehicles from the peripheries merged slowly to the traffic
> (going counter-clockwise). After carefully merging with the flow, it can
> (carefully) swerve to the inner lanes, little by little until it's on the
> inner ring, where it's safe to make a left turn to the entrance of inner
> (polygon). In which case, Quezon Memorial Circle functions like a big
> roundabout, don't you think?
>
>
>


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Re: [talk-ph] tagging rotund/roundabout

2011-02-07 Thread Rally de Leon
> Thus, I think QC's Elliptical Road, and Mandaluyong's Maysilo are *not*
> roundabouts.
>

I haven't checked the entire Elliptical Road's entrances to the inner circle
(the park etc), but I don't think it's possible for a car to cut directly
across the elliptical road, from the outer to the inner. All vehicles coming
from the radial roads are required to turn right and follow the circle.
Vehicles from the peripheries merged slowly to the traffic (going
counter-clockwise). After carefully merging with the flow, it can
(carefully) swerve to the inner lanes, little by little until it's on the
inner ring, where it's safe to make a left turn to the entrance of inner
(polygon). In which case, Quezon Memorial Circle functions like a big
roundabout, don't you think?
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Re: [talk-ph] tagging rotund/roundabout

2011-02-07 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Nobody has any comments? :-)

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
> Yes, Mabuhay/Welcome Rotonda is no longer a rotunda. Also, Pasay Rotonda has
> long been gone but the name remains. In the 70s I think there used to be a
> rotunda at EDSA's intersection with Timog and East Avenue as well as EDSA
> with Quezon Avenue (I saw old aerial images at the Geodetic Engineering
> Dept. at UP Diliman).
>
> As for existing rotundas, Wikipedia distinguishes between two types of
> rotundas, roundabouts[1] (where the traffic inside has the right-of-way)
> versus traffic circles/rotaries[2] (where the entering traffic has the
> right-of-way). Here in the Philippines, drivers don't really know about
> right-of-ways so for our purposes they should be all the same and should be
> tagged with junction=roundabout. An example of a true roundabout is Burgos
> Circle in Bonifacio Global City[3].
>
> Here's a problem. For me, a *true* rotunda is a circular road where there
> can be no vehicular traffic *inside* the circle (footways are OK). Thus,
> Marikina's Liwasang Kalayaan[4] is not a true rotunda and should not be
> tagged with junction=roundabout. Otherwise, a routing engine will become
> confused and you cannot say "enter the roundabout and get out at the 6th
> exit" since there would be streets going *into* the circle.
>
> Thus, I think QC's Elliptical Road, and Mandaluyong's Maysilo are *not*
> roundabouts.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_circle
> [3] http://osm.org/go/4zhHDj9lv--
> [4] http://osm.org/go/4zhZEW6BC-
>
> Eugene (osm:seav)
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:19 PM, tutubi 
> wrote:
>>
>> I was searching for this some time ago because I once heard my Nuvi say
>> roundabout
>> somewhere but not around Quezon Circle or Maysilo where I pass by quite
>> regularly
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout
>> will try to edit Quezon Circle and check then edit Maysilo and Monumento,
>> MOA et al
>> Welcome rotonda is not a rotonda anymore and also no longer Welcome but
>> Mabuhay Rotonda, much more the so-called EDSA rotonda :P
>>
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>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:07 AM, maning sambale
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> A question was posted in the OSMPH facebook page:
>>>
>>> Hi folks. I noticed that OSM PH doesn't seem to have the rotundas
>>> correctly mapped. I believe they have to be entered as "roundabouts"
>>> instead curved paths or turns. Baguio rotundas seem to be correctly
>>> mapped. How do you do that?
>>>
>>> The same author sent me a similar inquiry via FB message:
>>>
>>> I noticed that OSM PH doesn't seem to have the rotundas correctly
>>> mapped for most of metro manila. I believe they have to be entered as
>>> "roundabouts" instead curved paths or turns. Baguio rotundas seem to
>>> be correctly mapped. But how do you do that?
>>>
>>> sa baguio kasi i noticed that as you entered a rotunda (like the one
>>> near Wright Park), my GPS correctly calls it a "roundabout" and its
>>> voice prompt also correctly instructs to take the "nth" exit from the
>>> roundabout. compare that to say, the Welcome Rotunda coming from
>>> Manila as you enter rotunda towards UP GPS voice prompt would say
>>> "turn left and the right". Instead it should have said "enter
>>> roundabout and exit at Quezon Avenue".
>>>
>>> My answer below:
>>> I think "Welcome Rotonda" doesn't have a roundabout tag, hence, your
>>> Nuvi don't recognize them when giving turn directions. The way I see
>>> it 'Welcome Rotonda" technically is not a roundabout anymore.
>>> =
>>>
>>> Any other ideas regarding tagging rotunda/roundabout?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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