Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Well, there's a loophole in that provision. If what you get from the government is *pure data* (numerical coordinates, etc.), then you can't use it in OSM without permission. This is the idea behind the DepEd and DOH data we are getting/trying to get. On the other hand, if what you get is an image (e.g., map), then you are free to take facts that you can see when you look at the image/map. The Philippine IP Law follows the US IP Code in that facts aren't copyrightable. You can't use or distribute the map itself for commercial purposes without permission, or copy the creative aspects of the map (which are copyrightable) such as colors, styling, cartography, etc. without permission, for commercial purposes. But you can get facts that you have interpreted from the image and use that in any manner you choose because facts aren't copyrightable and the government did not give you that fact outright. Of course, we can just ask DPWH for permission. There's an email address on the website: taduran.er...@dpwh.gov.ph Eugene On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM, maning sambale wrote: > > On Jun 12, 2013 10:01 AM, "tutubi" > wrote: > > > > on copyright, did you know the work of the government, by law, is not > covered by copyright unless you use it for profit? > > Which precisely why we can't directly copy from government data unless > there is explicit permission. OSM encourages commercial use. > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] ideas on importing deped schools db to OSM
Dear all, Just to update you on this. Upon random checking of some tiles, there are cases where the location is too far off. It was confirmed by Liana that in some cases, brgy boundary centroid was used when no actual gps survey was conducted. I will try to cleanup the data before we begin the import. Suggestions welcome. Maning Sambale (mobile) On Apr 25, 2013 11:58 AM, "maning sambale" wrote: > > It might be better to divide the data also along geographical lines. For > > example, by provinces and then divide the data per province into smaller > > chunks like Ilocose Norte 1, Ilocos Norte 2, etc. > > > > I think chunks of 100 is much more manageable. I certainly don't think I > can > > process 500 schools in 1 or 2 sittings. > > Here's a screenshot of the splitted data in 100 nodes > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-2WZQ1DwK_xRFpKcHJyaEh6REE/edit?usp=sharing > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-2WZQ1DwK_xa0pkQ2tpNmhacGc/edit?usp=sharing > > The ES shapefile is ~190 tiles. > > > I suggest to add the upload=false XML attribute to the OSM files to avoid > > accidentally uploading it to OSM. > Yes, the ogr2osm script adds this. But the splitter I use doesn't > will investigate further. > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS review on etrex 30 and 62sc
Thanks Carlo and Ervin. We will consider your experiences. Maning Sambale (mobile) On Jun 11, 2013 5:11 PM, "Ervin Malicdem" wrote: > I'm using Etrex 30 for my mapping expeditions. However I cant compare to > any handhelds as this is the first I had. > So far so good with digital compass and barometer. Screen is highly > visible even in bright sunlight. Battery (using NiMH AA) lasts roughly 20 > hours of continuous use. > > Tracing can be selected for time (upto 1-sec) point trace or distance > (upto .01km) > > has microSD slot. USB 1.0 interface (mini-usb) > > Waterproof until 1 meter > > -- > Ervin M. > *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own > motherland. > http://www.s1expeditions.com > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, maning sambale < > emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Any experience using etrex 30 [0] or gpsmap 62sc [1]? >> My favorite unit (60csx) was phase out by Garmin. >> >> [0] >> https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-trail/handhelds/etrex-30/prod87774.html >> [1] >> https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-trail/handhelds/gpsmap-62sc/prod89556.html >> >> -- >> cheers, >> maning >> -- >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> -- >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > > > > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Dear Rally, On Jun 12, 2013 10:02 AM, "Rally de Leon" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM > Maning, > it's obviously OSM basemap under the Baguio jpg right? in fact get a copies as proof in the future. How does copyright works? Enlighten us. I understand if they add new info on top of that OSM map, then they're obligated to share the new info back to OSM? I guess the dpwh's copyright restriction was just a copy&paste thing. I'm not sure I can give you a straightforward answer since I am confused myself sometimes. :) There is a concept of derived database and produced work in odbl. Depending on how you use osm data and distribute the output, it may fall on either of the above category. In fact, the default map tile is not odbl but cc-by-sa. The wiki has sample use cases. > I say let DPWH use it more on their projects silently, so that we'll have more proof..., and then it's easier to officially negotiate for sharing of government data in the future (give & take arrangements). :-) I think government use of osm is what most of us want. I'm actually curious why they use osm over other webmap service. Is it easier to use? Nice cartography? Better data? How can we help them even further beyond using osm as a background layer? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
On Jun 12, 2013 10:01 AM, "tutubi" wrote: > > on copyright, did you know the work of the government, by law, is not covered by copyright unless you use it for profit? Which precisely why we can't directly copy from government data unless there is explicit permission. OSM encourages commercial use. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, maning sambale wrote: > Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM, > unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions. > > Maning Sambale (mobile) > Maning, it's obviously OSM basemap under the Baguio jpg right? in fact get a copies as proof in the future. How does copyright works? Enlighten us. I understand if they add new info on top of that OSM map, then they're obligated to share the new info back to OSM? I guess the dpwh's copyright restriction was just a copy&paste thing. I say let DPWH use it more on their projects silently, so that we'll have more proof..., and then it's easier to officially negotiate for sharing of government data in the future (give & take arrangements). :-) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
on copyright, did you know the work of the government, by law, is not covered by copyright unless you use it for profit? it's somewhere in the copyright law, a popular topic in photography forums --- I explore, therefore I blog! http://www.backpackingphilippines.com http://www.facebook.com/backpackingPhilippines http://www.twitter.com/backpackPH On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:43 AM, maning sambale wrote: > Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM, > unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions. > > Maning Sambale (mobile) > > On Jun 12, 2013 7:14 AM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" wrote: >> The roads under the maintenance of the DPWH Baguio City District Engineering >> Office is another area that uses OSM as a basemap: >> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/baguio_city.htm >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >> wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its >>> database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its >>> maintenance: >>> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm >>> >>> What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM maps >>> as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, >>> here's northern Quezon City: >>> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm >> >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Clicking on Region IV-A on DPWH link: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/region_iv_a.htm Is it safe to classify Caylabne Road a trunk (an extension of Governor's Drive)? How about Naic-to-Mendez and the Tanza-Trece Martirez roads? Weird, Aguinaldo Highway & Sta-Rosa-Tagaytay Road classified as secondary, yet Calamba Road is arterial?? can't be Declassify as trunk (back to primary) the pagsanjan-louisiana-lucban route? (road is too narrow anyway) Calauan-Nagcarlan route is just a minor road on OSM but looks like a trunk going all the way to Tayabas on DPWH's map. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Hi guys, > > You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its > database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its > maintenance: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm > > What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM > maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, > here's northern Quezon City: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Nice! The surface type (concrete, asphalt) is good data we can add in OSM, unfortunately, the disclaimer pdf has very strict copyright restrictions. Maning Sambale (mobile) On Jun 12, 2013 7:14 AM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" wrote: > The roads under the maintenance of the DPWH Baguio City District > Engineering Office is another area that uses OSM as a basemap: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/baguio_city.htm > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its >> database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its >> maintenance: >> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm >> >> What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM >> maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, >> here's northern Quezon City: >> http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm >> > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
The roads under the maintenance of the DPWH Baguio City District Engineering Office is another area that uses OSM as a basemap: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/baguio_city.htm On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Hi guys, > > You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its > database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its > maintenance: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm > > What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM > maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, > here's northern Quezon City: > http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] DPWH 2012 Road Data
Hi guys, You might find this interesting. DPWH has provided a site showing its database of what I presume are National Roads that are under its maintenance: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/index.htm What's even more interesting is that they are using screenshots of OSM maps as the basemap for several maps of roads in Metro Manila. For example, here's northern Quezon City: http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/infrastructure/Road%20Data/2012%20Road%20Data%20for%20Ipad/quezon_city_1st.htm ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Website to generate polygons from OSM relations
Hi guys, See the following email for a new interesting service provided by a French OSM developer. Some example Philippine-related images generated using the service: Palawan : http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/get_image.py?id=1506669¶ms=0 Metro Manila : http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/get_image.py?id=147488¶ms=0 -- Forwarded message -- From: Jocelyn Jaubert Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:45 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] Website to generate polygons from OSM relations To: d...@openstreetmap.org Hi, I have put into production a website to generate various outputs from OSM relations, by taking into account inclusion of other relations. It is available at: http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/ What it can do: - generate whole geometry from an OSM relation ID, with handling of sub-relations - this works especially well with the recursive French model for administrative relations, and can be used as a sanity check. - generate simplified geometries, even bigger or smaller - this is useful to cut a .osm file with a good .poly file. - export WKT, .poly, GeoJSON, or even a picture. - import a user .poly file, and then do an Union from an OSM relation. I used this to fix some polygons used for Geofabrik extracts. A few examples: OSM relation for Corsica: http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/?id=76910 http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/get_image.py?id=76910¶ms=0.02-0.005000-0.005000 Same thing for France (image is a little longer to generate) http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/?id=1362232 Union of Geofabrik and OSM relation for PACA, a french region: http://polygons.openstreetmap.fr/get_image.py?id=8654¶ms=0.02-0.005000-0.005000&name=provence-alpes-cote-d-azur_5k3mbx (you can see that some part of the region were missing from the yellow polygon) The source code is available at: https://github.com/jocelynj/osm-polygons-generation This uses an osmosis database, containing the whole word, and some Postgis functions. If you have any suggestion, don't hesitate to propose them ! Thanks, Jocelyn ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS review on etrex 30 and 62sc
I'm using Etrex 30 for my mapping expeditions. However I cant compare to any handhelds as this is the first I had. So far so good with digital compass and barometer. Screen is highly visible even in bright sunlight. Battery (using NiMH AA) lasts roughly 20 hours of continuous use. Tracing can be selected for time (upto 1-sec) point trace or distance (upto .01km) has microSD slot. USB 1.0 interface (mini-usb) Waterproof until 1 meter -- Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, maning sambale wrote: > Dear all, > > Any experience using etrex 30 [0] or gpsmap 62sc [1]? > My favorite unit (60csx) was phase out by Garmin. > > [0] > https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-trail/handhelds/etrex-30/prod87774.html > [1] > https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-trail/handhelds/gpsmap-62sc/prod89556.html > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS review on etrex 30 and 62sc
Hi Maning, I have a two week old etrex 20 and a Legend hcx. I know you were asking for the 30, but the only difference is the absence of the atmospheric barometer [1], magnetic compass, and the ability to connect to Ant+ devices. the 20 was a clear winner for me since it was cheaper and the extra features of the 30 wont be hugely missed for mapping. Here's a good review of the 20 [0] but the reviewers firmware was 2.2. I havent checked if the bugs have been resolved in 3.0, but i share most of his experience with the device the hcx reports a better accuracy against the 20 (gps+glonass) with a good view of the sky. however, the 20 is only slightly affected when there are tall buildings on one side of the road. on streets with tall buildings, the 20 shows slightly more drift than the hcx. having said all this, i feel the 20 reports a more conservative accuracy and is a bit more transparent with errors in logging tracks. A colleague has a 62 (not sure which model) and he just agreed to lend me his unit next week. :) if you'd want some comparisons between the hcx, 20, and 62, let me know your questions. [0] http://www.amazon.com/review/R3RAKYFG6DOERN/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00542NVS2&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode= [1] http://regex.info/blog/2006-04-16/179 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, maning sambale wrote: > Dear all, > > Any experience using etrex 30 [0] or gpsmap 62sc [1]? > My favorite unit (60csx) was phase out by Garmin. > > [0] > https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-trail/handhelds/etrex-30/prod87774.html > [1] > https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-trail/handhelds/gpsmap-62sc/prod89556.html > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
