Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers
Hi Nick, You should check out the private data store pioneered by HOT in Indonesia. That was used to link private household data to OSM polygons. We're looking to do something similar with American Red Cross data -- still at the whiteboard stage though. Cheers, Robert On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Nick Brown n...@nickbrown.ca wrote: Hi Arnoud et al, I also had some similar questions I'd been noting down. Perhaps in the Ph Wiki Conventions page we could add a specific section discussing mapping for DRR critical infrastructure tags? - How to tag evacuation centers? How to add details (i.e. capacity, engineering details, roof type, etc) - How best to tag Puroks/Sitio boundaries? - How to tag the meeting place of a Purok/Sitio? - Is it possible to tag evacuation routes? - Is it possible for NGOs/LGU to link private household data to OSM polygons, such as household economic indicators, or tax mapping codes, and maintain this data in a private database? - How to tag LGU designated command posts? - How to tag relocation sites planned/in progress from NGOs and LGUs? - How to handle the fact that NAMRIA Barangay boundaries differ from local practices? - How to tag internet cafes? - How to tag cellphone and radio towers? - How to tag rural health units? Those are some of the questions that have come up in the last couple weeks for us. Cheers, Nick On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Arnoud Keizer a.j.kei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Maning and others, Thanks for the welcome remarks :) I joined the Phil. OSM mailinglist also recently. The last month I conducted several OSM introduction and hands-on workshops, together with staff of NOAH and VSO Bahaginan. We did 3 introduction workshops on OSM-critical infrastructure-impactanalysis and 5 hands-on trainings for OSM in Samar, Cebu and Bohol. A question raised during our workshops, which was also about the mapping of critical infrastructure, was tagging emergency buildings that are used as an evacuation center during an emergency, could be normal school buildings, what kind of tags do you usually use for these objects? I could not find them in the mapping conventions for the Philippines or in the Int. feature list. Regarding the mailing list, I think both the international as the Philippine based lists are really useful! I was wondering if regarding QA's a message board could be more effective, that could prevent newbies like me from asking the same questions every now or then:). I found this http://forum.openstreetmap.org, maybe we can also use this one for mapping in the Philippines? Best wishes, Arnoud Keizer *VSO volunteer for project DREAM http://dream.upd.edu.ph * Tel. *+63 9172405489* E-mail. a.j.kei...@gmail.com Blog. halo-halo.waarbenjij.nu Let's use *OpenStreetMap* http://www.openstreetmap.org/, 'cause proper maps can save lives! 2014-10-26 22:05 GMT+08:00 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: Hi, Once in a while, I try to send a welcome note to new mappers as I stumble into their edits. I think this is a good strategy to inform the mappers that: 1. their contributions (however small) were appreciated; 2. they can ask questions if they want to. In some cases, recipients respond and appreciate the message. Most of the times, I don't get a response. I don't know if there are those in the list who do this as well. Might be good to coordinate efforts in order not overwhelm new users with unsolicited messages. Swiss OSM do this too [0]. If you want to know the new editors in the PH you can check this page [1]. I think some of last week's new contributors were from Project NOAH's workshop in Iloilo. [0] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/24124 [1] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Philippines -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers
A question raised during our workshops, which was also about the mapping of critical infrastructure, was tagging emergency buildings that are used as an evacuation center during an emergency, could be normal school buildings, what kind of tags do you usually use for these objects? I could not find them in the mapping conventions for the Philippines or in the Int. feature list. Will respond to this in the other mail by Nick. Regarding the mailing list, I think both the international as the Philippine based lists are really useful! I was wondering if regarding QA's a message board could be more effective, that could prevent newbies like me from asking the same questions every now or then:). I found this http://forum.openstreetmap.org, maybe we can also use this one for mapping in the Philippines? You've raised an important concern regarding communications (especially to newbies) related to PH mapping related questions. By default, we use this mailinglist and the wiki, but, as you've said (including others who pointed out this as well), sometimes, mailinglist is not the best way for newbie mappers. Mailinglist seems to be too geeky for most people. Personally, I get a lot of OSM questions from the osm messaging facility, direct email and facebook messages Should we revive the discussion again to use the forums? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Welcoming new PH mappers
Dear Nick, Replies inline. How to tag evacuation centers? How to add details (i.e. capacity, engineering details, roof type, etc) Some of us use the tag evacuation_center/evacuation_centre to building/facilities that serve as evacuation areas during crisis. This is a very new tag and so far, I think it is only the Philippines who is using this tag: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=evacuation We can extend this further by adding additional tags, say name=Rizal Elementary School amenity=school evacuation_center=yes evacuation_center=flooding # used only for flooding, etc. How best to tag Puroks/Sitio boundaries? If you have the data, you can tag it as admin_level=12 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Administrative_boundaries How to tag the meeting place of a Purok/Sitio? amenity=townhall? Is it possible to tag evacuation routes? I'm not sure if OSM is the best place to do this, since this can vary depending on the hazard and the current situation during disasters. In the Institute I work for, we do community DRR mapping. We use OSM road data as a reference for evacuation routes and facilitate the process with the community to identify best routes during emergencies, but, we don't add it to OSM since it is only useful in their own context. Is it possible for NGOs/LGU to link private household data to OSM polygons, such as household economic indicators, or tax mapping codes, and maintain this data in a private database? We don't add personal/household information in OSM. As Robert mentioned, this a good case to use HOT's Separate Data Store. This is a separate database you can host internally but links to the OSM geometry for example buildings. Details here: https://github.com/hotosm/sds-server How to tag LGU designated command posts? Maybe an extension of the evacuation_center tag? How to tag relocation sites planned/in progress from NGOs and LGUs? landuse=brownfield if under construction and later landuse=residential How to handle the fact that NAMRIA Barangay boundaries differ from local practices? Personally, I prefer locally identified boundaries (community identified or LGU) over NAMRIA. I've witnessed many instances where NAMRIA boundaries does not reflect reality on the ground even with municipal admin_boundaries. How to tag internet cafes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Computer_.26_Electronics_.2F_Telecom_.2F_Mobile_Accessories How to tag cellphone and radio towers? man_made=tower http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dtower How to tag rural health units? amenity=clinic clinic=public name= Those are some of the questions that have come up in the last couple weeks for us. Hope that answers some of your inquires. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
