Re: [talk-ph] best practice for village admin_centre relations

[Erwin Olario]

Rally, Maning is asking about the administrative centres, and that would
mean government authorities in charge of administration. They are not meant
to represent the [geographic] "center of the village" which isn't something
we normally map.

As for place=village nodes, and like I wrote earlier, I put them in the
commons (e.g. plaza, local park, etc.).

Erwin



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On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Rally de Leon  wrote:

> Question:
> - What's the best practice for adding admin_centre nodes to the village
> boundary relation? Should it be the barangay hall (amenity=townhall)
> or the place=village node?
>
> 
> For place nodes, a good practice IMHO is putting said node (eg.
> place=village)
> somewhere NEAR but NOT ON an "object or group of objects" which
> represents the center of the village, typically any of the following:
>   -barangay hall
>   -village plaza (eg. where there's a multipurpose hall or basketball
> court)
>   -the center of traditional grid-street (the oldest populated area of the
> place)
>
> My interpretation of "somewhere near" is around 100-150 meters away;
> on a not-so-important space (eg. a vacant area or generic community)
> in the vicinity, where there are no other place nodes, or important
> landmarks
> like a park or institution.
>
> 1st Reason:
> The 'place node' is represented by a TEXT on the map.
> -a rendered TEXT always cover the lines and polygons under it. Thus,
> putting a place_node very close to another object (eg. important
> building),
> will essentially make that building disappear (information visibility is
> not optimized).
> Said buildings  will only appear when you zoom-in on a digital map.
> But you cannot zoom-in on a paper map (2-D). So I thought, the best
> practice
> is to move it just enough not to cover important objects (part of the art).
> (until such time we have an algorithm to do that automatically)
>
> 2nd Reason:
> Putting a place node inside a polygon with a large footprint the size of
> a neighborhood, like an institutional_polygon or a park; will not just
> potentially cover the 'name' of institution or park, but add unintended
> confusion or misrepresentation of the polygon.
> eg. If you put a place_node of Ermita inside Rizal Park's valencia circle,
> a tourist who wants to go to the heart of Ermita, ends up in Luneta
> (which is technically Ermita) - but was not probably his/her intention
>
> 3rd Reason:
> There are some LGU's (municipal and barangays) which relocated (or
> isolated)
> their new townhalls away from the village or town centers.
>
> Putting a place_node on top or near an isolated townhall (away from
> populated center)
> is not always representative of the general location of the village or the
> town.
> (this is a dilemna for Mamasapano, where townhall is located near the
> boundary)
>
> ---
> I'm voting +1 for:
> place=village as admin_centre, provided it's located NEAR not ON the
> object (amenity=townhall)
>
> Cheer,
> Rally
>
>
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Re: [talk-ph] best practice for village admin_centre relations

[Rally de Leon]

Question:
- What's the best practice for adding admin_centre nodes to the village
boundary relation? Should it be the barangay hall (amenity=townhall)
or the place=village node?


For place nodes, a good practice IMHO is putting said node (eg.
place=village)
somewhere NEAR but NOT ON an "object or group of objects" which
represents the center of the village, typically any of the following:
  -barangay hall
  -village plaza (eg. where there's a multipurpose hall or basketball
court)
  -the center of traditional grid-street (the oldest populated area of the
place)

My interpretation of "somewhere near" is around 100-150 meters away;
on a not-so-important space (eg. a vacant area or generic community)
in the vicinity, where there are no other place nodes, or important
landmarks
like a park or institution.

1st Reason:
The 'place node' is represented by a TEXT on the map.
-a rendered TEXT always cover the lines and polygons under it. Thus,
putting a place_node very close to another object (eg. important building),
will essentially make that building disappear (information visibility is
not optimized).
Said buildings  will only appear when you zoom-in on a digital map.
But you cannot zoom-in on a paper map (2-D). So I thought, the best
practice
is to move it just enough not to cover important objects (part of the art).
(until such time we have an algorithm to do that automatically)

2nd Reason:
Putting a place node inside a polygon with a large footprint the size of
a neighborhood, like an institutional_polygon or a park; will not just
potentially cover the 'name' of institution or park, but add unintended
confusion or misrepresentation of the polygon.
eg. If you put a place_node of Ermita inside Rizal Park's valencia circle,
a tourist who wants to go to the heart of Ermita, ends up in Luneta
(which is technically Ermita) - but was not probably his/her intention

3rd Reason:
There are some LGU's (municipal and barangays) which relocated (or
isolated)
their new townhalls away from the village or town centers.

Putting a place_node on top or near an isolated townhall (away from
populated center)
is not always representative of the general location of the village or the
town.
(this is a dilemna for Mamasapano, where townhall is located near the
boundary)

---
I'm voting +1 for:
place=village as admin_centre, provided it's located NEAR not ON the object
(amenity=townhall)

Cheer,
Rally
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Re: [talk-ph] Highlighting the OSMPH community

[maning sambale]

Dear Lu,

Years ago, I made a similar interview to some mappers [0].
It would be nice to check (in case you interview the same people) if
they still have the same views.
:)


[0] https://epsg4253.wordpress.com/tag/osmphmapper/

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Lu Sevier  wrote:
> Hello OSMPH Community,
>
>
>
> My name is Lu Sevier and I am AidData Summer Fellow working with Map the
> Philippines here in Manila this summer.
>
>
>
> In the past few weeks I have had the chance to meet some of your members and
> have been extremely impressed by your OSM-PH community.
>
>
>
> I would love to highlight your community in an upcoming post in The First
> Tranche, the AidData blog. I would love to tailor this blog post to the
> training and volunteer work you have done in country and highlight upcoming
> projects. I think this blog could bring more volunteers and publicity to
> your fantastic group.
>
>
>
> If you are interested, I would also like to interview (over email) anyone
> with the following questions.
>
>
>
> How long have you been a part of OSM community?
>
> What aspects of mapping are you most interested in?
>
> How did you become interested in mapping?
>
> What is your area of specialty or current job?
>
> How big is the current mapping community and how often do you guys meet up
> (virtually or in person)?
>
> Is there anything you would like people to know about OSM in the
> Philippines, especially how they can contribute or get involved?
>
>
>
> Also, feel free to add any suggestions as I am trying to spread the word
> about OSM and am still learning. Any and all constructive criticism would be
> much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your help and time,
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> --
> -Lu Sevier
> The College of William and Mary
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lu-sevier/84/236/725
>
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[talk-ph] Highlighting the OSMPH community

[Lu Sevier]

Hello OSMPH Community,



My name is Lu Sevier and I am AidData Summer Fellow working with Map the
Philippines here in Manila this summer.



In the past few weeks I have had the chance to meet some of your members
and have been extremely impressed by your OSM-PH community.



I would love to highlight your community in an upcoming post in The First
Tranche , the AidData blog. I would love to tailor
this blog post to the training and volunteer work you have done in country
and highlight upcoming projects. I think this blog could bring more
volunteers and publicity to your fantastic group.



If you are interested, I would also like to interview (over email) anyone
with the following questions.



How long have you been a part of OSM community?

What aspects of mapping are you most interested in?

How did you become interested in mapping?

What is your area of specialty or current job?

How big is the current mapping community and how often do you guys meet up
(virtually or in person)?

Is there anything you would like people to know about OSM in the
Philippines, especially how they can contribute or get involved?



Also, feel free to add any suggestions as I am trying to spread the word
about OSM and am still learning. Any and all constructive criticism would
be much appreciated.



Thank you for your help and time,

Sincerely,

-- 
-Lu Sevier
The College of William and Mary
*http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lu-sevier/84/236/725
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[talk-ph] best practice for village admin_centre relations

[maning sambale]

Hi,

Normally, I mark the location for place=village to where the barangay
hall is located.
What's the best practice for adding admin_centre nodes to the village
boundary relation?
Should it be the barangay hall (amenity=townhall) or the place=village node?

-- 
cheers,
maning
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