[talk-ph] Startup Weekend Manila October 21-23, 2011

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Anyone going to this?

http://manila.startupweekend.org/

"Startup Weekend is an intense 54 hour event which focuses on building a 
web or mobile application which could form the basis of a credible 
business over the course of a weekend. The weekend brings together 
people with different skillsets - primarily software developers, 
graphics designers and business people - to build applications and 
develop a commercial case around them."


Who will I see there?

Regards,

Andre
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Re: [talk-ph] The navigation system in our brains

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

I like this, I myself remember directions and roads like I have an 
overhead map of the area and usually dont forget. On the other hand my 
wife has no idea where to go even if we go to a certain area every day.


On 3:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

Hi guys,

Here's an interesting article from 2009 showing how our brains help us
to navigate the world and why there are people who can get so
hopelessly lost.

http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2009.11-health-global-impositioning-systems/

I guess most of us in the list have a natural talent for spatial
navigation (instead of cue-stimulus-based navigation)? :-)




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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Wow, when are they gonna decide
does anyone already have a US visa?
<3 months to get a visa isnt the best timetable :)

On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote:

Hoping we can finally send a Filipino rep.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Coast, Hurricane
Date: Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:35 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011
To: "t...@openstreetmap.org"


The State of the Map Committee is excited to announce a program to
cover full travel and accommodations costs for mappers to attend State
of the Map 2011 in Denver, Colorado (United States). We’re seeking
nominations from the community for potential mappers.

We are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit
attendance, developing countries, and places that are “interesting”
geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are from countries
with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers in total. They
have made a significant start at mapping their city, either through
imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly familiar with the
process of OSM. They may have started communicating among themselves,
and made plans and scoped out the process for their local district.
But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and they need the
inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.

We need to act fast! State of the Map is just over 3 and a half months
away, tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough
time for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short,
and ending at Sunday, June 25th. The number of scholarships rewarded
will be based on the success of fund-raising. From the nominations
received, we’ll review and invite scholars in late June.

Please send your nominations to scholars...@stateofthemap.org. For
each nomination, include the mappers name, OSM user name, email
address, location, and a paragraph or two on why they’d be great to
have at SOTM. Self nominations are accepted.

Please forward this message to other relevant local OSM and mapping
lists and social media!

As for regions, here are a few regions that seem to fit the bill, but
nominations are not limited to these places at all.

Eastern and Southern Europe: Belarus, Kosovo, Bulgaria
Arab States: Tunisia, Bahrain, Jordan
Asia: Nepal, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Indonesia
Latin America: Argentina, Bolivia, Guatemala
Africa: Liberia, Ivory Coast, Swaziland

Sponsor-a-Mapper

In previous years there has been a scholarship program to help mappers
who wouldn’t otherwise be able to attend get to State of the Map. This
year we are announces an “Sponsor-A-Mapper” program. There are plenty
of deserving individuals from all of the world that can’t afford to
attend SotM. To help them be able to come join the community in person
in Denver why don’t you consider paying to cover a portion of the cost
of their ticket?

We are attempting to raise an average of $2,500 USD per mapper in
order to be sure to cover their costs. This will vary slightly by
transportation costs depending from where the select scholarships are
traveling.

The more money we raise the more mappers we can sponsor!

To Sponsor-a-Mapper please email scholars...@stateofthemap.org

Thank you!

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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

how come our acceptance is rather low?
http://odbl.de/

There are few large editors, have they not all agreed to it, or some 
disagree?


Andre

On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Michael Collinson
Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 5:39 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday
To: OSM talk


OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins this Sunday. A full
announcement has gone to the Announce list and there is full
information at the Find out more about OpenStreetMap's upcoming
license change" link on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org or directly at
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License

Any help getting this out to non-English speaking mailing lists much
appreciated.

In summary: This only affects you if you are an OpenStreetMap
contributor who registered before 12th May 2010 and have not taken
part in our voluntary re-licensing program. Before being able to edit,
you will have accept or decline new contributor terms.  To give time
to get the word out, this does not take effect until Sunday!

Michael Collinson
License Working Group


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Re: [talk-ph] OSM POI Collector - Android, iPhone, etc.

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

I've used mapzen, its pretty good and useful

On 3:59 AM, Noli Sicad wrote:

Hi,

Anybody tried these apps?

http://bialowieza2009.home.pl/poicollector/android-openlayers/#loginScreen

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mobile_POI_collector

http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector

Noli




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Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey (Fwd: STEPJUAN Bai: A walking expedition for Children with Cancer)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Make sure to test the actual droid phone + app to see how fast it can 
acquire a GPS lock and send it with the tweet or else it might be 
sending tweets without the GEO info
i guess the best way to save batt is to use the GPS and GPRS only every 
now and then.

what if theres no signal or bad gprs coverage?

On 3:59 AM, Noli Sicad wrote:

TweetDeck has live geotag and it is free.

http://www.wirefresh.com/tweetdeck-for-iphone-gets-update-to-v1-3/

http://www.tweetdeck.com/android/

How you get the geo-tweets display in your custom map - openlayers or
wms / tile server?

Noli



On 3/7/11, maning sambale  wrote:

Thanks for all the tips.  In the first StepJuan expedition, I gave him
one GPSTOGO unit, at the end of each day, he sends the file to me.  I
then process the file and upload in the website.  The process is
onerous both for me and Tomas'  so I'm thinking of automating this
process.

The best I can think of is to use a droid phone and send geo-tweets.
This way all he do is tweet his current position to show it on the
livemap.  Any free droid app that can send geo-enabled tweets?

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Noli Sicad  wrote:

I think these 2 free apps are useful for this purpose (i.e. getting
gpx and csv and emailing it).

Android - MyTracks
http://mytracks.appspot.com/
http://code.google.com/p/mytracks/

Iphone - Record my GPS position
http://itunes.apple.com/app/record-my-gps-position/id405865492?mt=

Noli


On 3/6/11, Andre Marcelo-Tanner  wrote:

Well what can he carry, a GPS logger is easy to carry and runs fine on
batt but it only logs, so what possible device can be used to log and
upload at the same time
or if it just logs, how often can an upload be done?

Once you have something which can upload, you just figure out how to
display the logs online using a website or a 3rd party service.

Something like Sportstracklive or its competitors let you track yourself
live using a phone or similar device and display it live online, the
problem with constant upload is the battery drain, and well GPRS charges
but im sure an 1200 unlimited 3G subscription might offset that.

I know the developer of sportstracklive, he's a foreigner living the
philippines.

It's cool for live tracking as longs its not a security issue, and allow
people to comment or alert people as he passes by certain areas.

I know he walks during the day, is there a mobile device charges solar
unit :) or a really low powered GPS + 3g unit + solar power charger, or
some dynamo that will charge the phone as he walks :)

On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote:

StepJuan is back on the road.  For brief background, we helped Tomas
and the StepJuan crew last year in mapping his journey from Paguppud
Ilocos to Matnog, Sorsogon.  We provided him one of the gpstogo units
to track the whole journey.  All traces are in OSM:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/stepjuan

This year he is planning to do the Visayas leg.  I'm looking for ideas
on how we can once again track the journey and show a webmap.  Are
there any GPS tracker available wherein we can directly interface to
an OSM map?   The StepJuan crew is looking for sponsorships, if you
have ideas, just post em here.

Thanks!


-- Forwarded message --

Hi firends,
StepJuan is walking to town again! This time me and my team will walk
through the 6 major islands of the Visayas Region, starting from Allen
Samar and will end in Boracay Island, Aklan. This adventure will
benefit children with cancer under the Philippine Children's Medical
Center (tawid kalusugan program for indigent patients). With this i
would like to ask for your help. Attached is a cover letter, the walk
IT and our media plan.
Hoping for your help and guidance.
God Bless.
Love and Peace,
~Tomas Leonor
Director/ Founder: StepJuan
www.stepjuan.com
tomas.leo...@gmail.com
+639152166693/ +639193622182




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Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey (Fwd: STEPJUAN Bai: A walking expedition for Children with Cancer)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Well what can he carry, a GPS logger is easy to carry and runs fine on 
batt but it only logs, so what possible device can be used to log and 
upload at the same time

or if it just logs, how often can an upload be done?

Once you have something which can upload, you just figure out how to 
display the logs online using a website or a 3rd party service.


Something like Sportstracklive or its competitors let you track yourself 
live using a phone or similar device and display it live online, the 
problem with constant upload is the battery drain, and well GPRS charges 
but im sure an 1200 unlimited 3G subscription might offset that.


I know the developer of sportstracklive, he's a foreigner living the 
philippines.


It's cool for live tracking as longs its not a security issue, and allow 
people to comment or alert people as he passes by certain areas.


I know he walks during the day, is there a mobile device charges solar 
unit :) or a really low powered GPS + 3g unit + solar power charger, or 
some dynamo that will charge the phone as he walks :)


On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote:

StepJuan is back on the road.  For brief background, we helped Tomas
and the StepJuan crew last year in mapping his journey from Paguppud
Ilocos to Matnog, Sorsogon.  We provided him one of the gpstogo units
to track the whole journey.  All traces are in OSM:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/stepjuan

This year he is planning to do the Visayas leg.  I'm looking for ideas
on how we can once again track the journey and show a webmap.  Are
there any GPS tracker available wherein we can directly interface to
an OSM map?   The StepJuan crew is looking for sponsorships, if you
have ideas, just post em here.

Thanks!


-- Forwarded message --

Hi firends,
StepJuan is walking to town again! This time me and my team will walk
through the 6 major islands of the Visayas Region, starting from Allen
Samar and will end in Boracay Island, Aklan. This adventure will
benefit children with cancer under the Philippine Children's Medical
Center (tawid kalusugan program for indigent patients). With this i
would like to ask for your help. Attached is a cover letter, the walk
IT and our media plan.
Hoping for your help and guidance.
God Bless.
Love and Peace,
~Tomas Leonor
Director/ Founder: StepJuan
www.stepjuan.com
tomas.leo...@gmail.com
+639152166693/ +639193622182





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Re: [talk-ph] OSM vs. RoadGuide.ph

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

You can just load 2 maps on a garmin device and switch them? or can you 
view them also one on top of another?


I have a friend interested in doing a layer of POIs to the PH map, is 
such possible with garmin devices?


On 3:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

As a followup, I did a visual comparison of several areas where OSM
has better data and coverage than RoadGuide.ph:
http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com/posts/is_rg_better_than_osm

I hope that this will prove enlightening. End lesson: load both maps
into your Garmin unit. =)


On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:

Hi guys,

If anyone is interested to see the differences between RoadGuide.ph
and OpenStreetMap, then check out this article I wrote in the OSM
Wiki:

If you have a Garmin GPS device then you most probably have heard of
RoadGuide.ph. In my personal opinion, if you want the best
Garmin-compatible routable map of the Philippines, then go for
RoadGuide.ph, but you should also get Maning's osmphil map
  since OSM has better
data than RG in some areas, most especially if you have not attained
the contributor status in RG and have only access to the Basic map.
:-)


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Re: [talk-ph] Bing or own aerial pictures...

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Awesome work, would be great if you can write up a blog post or 
something like a step by step guide so newbies on the internet can do 
the same with aerial imagery.


Andre

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Re: [talk-ph] October skillshare and OSM Org meeting (was Re: OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc.)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Ya I'll try to have the other papers prepared na din, ang hirap pala pra 
sa certification sa PCNC, may evaluation and interview pa hehe.
Maybe we can have a small mapping party or plan skill share in advance 
to invite newbies etc.


Andre

On 10/23/2010 1:00 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

Hi guys,

We'll be postponing this meetup to November.

Eugene


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner
  wrote:

k where or what time...
is anyone else going, like skillshare ba sya or just to discuss, sana may
konti plan pra we can prepare

Andre

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Re: [talk-ph] October skillshare and OSM Org meeting (was Re: OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc.)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

k where or what time...
is anyone else going, like skillshare ba sya or just to discuss, sana 
may konti plan pra we can prepare


Andre

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Re: [talk-ph] October skillshare and OSM Org meeting (was Re: OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc.)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

 pwede ako pra sa doc signing but let me know when it is pra ill 
prepare the docs


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Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc.

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

 yes i think i have more docs for everyone to sign :)

On 10/9/2010 3:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

Let's have a meeting before the end of October. Game? Let's also make
it a skillshare or something so that other interested people can join.
:-D


On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:32 PM, maning sambale
  wrote:

Andre,

Thank you for continuing with the paperwork.  Probably a good time for
the org to meet again to discuss future plans?


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner
  wrote:

  A little update. We now have a mayor's permit, although was not able to
declare us as nonprofit to the mayors office as its not specifically stated
in our articles of incorporation that we are 'NonStock AND NonProfit'.
Perhaps we may need to modify the Articles. Will check with BIR before I
submit to them to know more on what we need so we don't have to pay much
taxes.

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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc.

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

 A little update. We now have a mayor's permit, although was not able 
to declare us as nonprofit to the mayors office as its not specifically 
stated in our articles of incorporation that we are 'NonStock AND 
NonProfit'. Perhaps we may need to modify the Articles. Will check with 
BIR before I submit to them to know more on what we need so we don't 
have to pay much taxes.


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Re: [talk-ph] StreetSmart for Android v2.0 Beta

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

 Always wanted to do something like this
but you really have to do it manually or work with some company like 
Trafikdotcom who does traffic reports and have them enter it all the time.


but its a good idea, especially for us.

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[talk-ph] Might this be useful to anyone?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

 http://tiledrawer.com/

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Re: [talk-ph] Cavite Mapping Party - September 11, 2010

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

 I'll be going with my wife, so we can be Orange Team :) is that the 
safest route lol

Are there security issues in the area?

On 9/7/2010 12:36 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

And here are the final cake slices:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Cavite_Road_Network_Mapping_Party_cake_slices.png

:-)


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar <mailto:sea...@gmail.com>> wrote:


We just had a meeting earlier this night. Here's a brain dump of
the things we still need to do:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Cavite_Road_Network_Mapping_Party/Planning




On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner
mailto:an...@enthropia.com>> wrote:

 So a week to go, I know there's a planning page, but I get
the feeling nothing is going on if its not posted in some
feed, blog, or mailing listing recently :)

So what do we need to be ready for the mapping party?

Any ideas for a final location?

Regards,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Cavite Mapping Party - September 11, 2010

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

 So a week to go, I know there's a planning page, but I get the feeling 
nothing is going on if its not posted in some feed, blog, or mailing 
listing recently :)


So what do we need to be ready for the mapping party?

Any ideas for a final location?

Regards,

Andre

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Re: [talk-ph] What's a nice place in Tagaytay for the Cavite Mapping Party?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

True, i might be better after to just compile the GPS tracks to one 
person who might want to do a visualization or else, we just have fun 
after and relax and make kwento. Maybe teach some of the newcomers on a 
laptop etc.
I agree with that post though for newcomers, an introduction to the 
project and mapping should be given and what were are going to do. Those 
who know what goes on are fine but the new ones probably have no idea 
what were going to do or whos going to do what or who are the teams etc. 
Or theyre just sitting around waiting while we organize everything, so 
some overview of the activities for the day would be good.


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Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. Update

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Ya, im not sure about that, but NGO != NonProfit?
I really dont know. Yes a bank account would be needed to encash checks 
paid to OpenStreetMap Philippies Inc.
For receipts, we need BIR approval first, but if there is someone 
offering to sponsor we can perhaps have some Provisional Receipts 
printed first and then send them the OR once we are registered.


Andre

Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

Cool!

Do we need a bank account? I'm guessing that if sponsors would sponsor 
in cash, then they will probably give a check. Also, we would need to 
give receipts if ever so we can all account for tax purposes.


As for being an NGO. I know that there are some requirements for that. 
But what's the advantage in being an NGO?


Eugene


On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner 
mailto:an...@enthropia.com>> wrote:


A little update since its been a while since this was discussed.

- The domains are in process to be transferred to OSM PH Inc., I
just need to send dotPH another authorization letter aside from
transfer forms.
- We have Barangay Clearance/registration already and I'm working
towards completing all the requirements for Mayor's permit. It's a
PITA to have to do so much just to register your business with
your city
- BIR registration form has been paid but mayor's permit has to be
secured first before officially registering the company with the BIR.
- We may want to look into registered with the org that regulates
or registers NGO's in the Philippines, since BIR requires that if
we want to be an NGO. Are we an NGO?
- There is a design in the works for the OSM-PH Blog, la lang just
for fun :)

Thats all,

Andre

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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. Update

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

A little update since its been a while since this was discussed.

- The domains are in process to be transferred to OSM PH Inc., I just 
need to send dotPH another authorization letter aside from transfer forms.
- We have Barangay Clearance/registration already and I'm working 
towards completing all the requirements for Mayor's permit. It's a PITA 
to have to do so much just to register your business with your city
- BIR registration form has been paid but mayor's permit has to be 
secured first before officially registering the company with the BIR.
- We may want to look into registered with the org that regulates or 
registers NGO's in the Philippines, since BIR requires that if we want 
to be an NGO. Are we an NGO?
- There is a design in the works for the OSM-PH Blog, la lang just for 
fun :)


Thats all,

Andre

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Re: [talk-ph] streetdirectory.com.ph

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Interestingly the PH domains streetdirectory.com.ph and .ph are owned by 
JOBSDB, registered at their HK address

Whatever it is, they have some force behind them.
Though I wonder how this figures into their overall company strategy


maning sambale wrote:

Similar to OSM, the map looks inconsistent with the varying level of
coverage on several areas.  Some have good coverage of buildings and
even house numbers (Kalayaan Ave - P. Tamo - Chino Roces area).  They
also have very local POIs although many roads around my neighborhood
are wrong.

They documented the mapmaking process in Singapore here:
http://www.streetdirectory.com/mapmaking/

  

I kinda like how they mark the perimeter of private subdivisions and other
property lines.


Me too. Property lines are very difficult to survey with a simple GPS.
 So I assume they get their data from somewhere other than surveying
on their own.


  

I wonder where they got their data. (The site is Singapore-based.)

Eugene

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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: mailing list for openstreetmap philippines "local chapter/organization"

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Not that we dont have the resources to setup our own mailing list, we do 
actually. I was wondering if in general we should host all OSMPH Inc 
discussions and information on our own domain like OSMF and OSM US does?


Andre

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Re: [talk-ph] Waze: Real-time maps and traffic information based on the wisdom of the crowd

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

neat

in regards to traffic, is there any website with up to date traffic 
reports? sana we can parse some data and display street traffic data 
visuals?


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Re: [talk-ph] Easy way to generate map with waypoint

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the offer though I'm just actually looking if the OSM.org 
website has such a feature :) or if anyone knew of one already existing.


Ed Garcia wrote:
I can write such a script.  it is very similar to the vicinity maps of 
waypoints.ph <http://waypoints.ph>


On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner 
mailto:an...@enthropia.com>> wrote:


Is there an easy way to link to OSM.org with a waypoint on it? I know
you can do the MLat + MLon in the query string for 1 marker, how about
the arrow icon that OSM.org uses for Search Results?
Or is there a website which lets you position a marker on the OSM map
and then gives you a url to that map?

Thanks,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Easy way to generate map with waypoint

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Is there an easy way to link to OSM.org with a waypoint on it? I know 
you can do the MLat + MLon in the query string for 1 marker, how about 
the arrow icon that OSM.org uses for Search Results?
Or is there a website which lets you position a marker on the OSM map 
and then gives you a url to that map?

Thanks,

Andre

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Re: [talk-ph] skillshare

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

May pause video din :)
Pwede rin IRC, pero madami options dyan like yahoo group chat or another IM.

Andre

maning sambale wrote:

We could also try IRC. It's a low-bandwidth option. But only for mostly
textual discussion. :-)


I'm OK with IRC, perhaps we can open an osm-ph channel in freenode?
(Yeah its so 1990s but I find it difficult to pick my nose during a
skype meeting) :)

  

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner 
wrote:


we really need to learn how to discuss without travelling :)

i triple suggest using http://tokbox.com/ for group video conferencing,
if you guys have webcams?

add my email there

will the osmph meeting be before or after the skillshare?

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[talk-ph] skillshare

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

we really need to learn how to discuss without travelling :)

i triple suggest using http://tokbox.com/ for group video conferencing, 
if you guys have webcams?

add my email there

will the osmph meeting be before or after the skillshare?

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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. a Non-Stock Corporation May 28, 2010

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Is this pushing through? :)

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[talk-ph] SLEx Star Toll link

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Really its done? nice I just drove by here today on my way to batangas, 
too bad you couldnt drive down it, maybe perhaps if you had a motorcycle 
you could get past the barriers and zoom down it and back before anyone 
catches you :)

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Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. a Non-Stock Corporation May 28, 2010

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

When is the skillshare supposed to be again?
We should prepare a list of topics for discussion in advance.
Regarding the bank account, I'll prep the docs for that, might need to 
get everyone's signatures for that anyway.
Any possibility of having this meeting over video chat, do most people 
have webcams?
Lots of new services now adays that let you conference over the net for 
free and in groups. ie tokbox.com and others...

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[talk-ph] cost of GPS data loggers

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Any site that compares loggers vs the garmins and what not etc? In terms 
of accuracy or something?
So I could get one of these bluetooth devices, tape it to the top of my 
vehicle and use my phone as the logger via Blue tooth? Awesome!
Now I only wish you didnt have to stop to mark a POI and could mark 
POI's on the go :)

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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. Accountant

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

On another note, since we are non stock and non profit corporation I 
have one downside, anyone know how to do the quarterly/annual filings?
It's a bit expensive to hire an accountant and there's not much to do 
since we don't have much in terms of money going around the org if ever. 
Perhaps someone is married to or is an accountant ? :) Probono tax prep 
for the org? :)
I'm going to register us soon but we gotta keep up with quarterly 
filings, and annual is another thing altogether with the financial 
statement.

Andre

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[talk-ph] Farmville

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

I have some ideas but time and resources :) wish i had more of those

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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. a Non-Stock Corporation May 28, 2010

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6158778&id=345455082596

We are official! Any words from our new President (of OSM PH). :)

How do we let the OSM Foundation know we exist?

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[talk-ph] cost of GPS data loggers

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Whats the cheapest device with the most accuracy? Do you really have to 
get a Garmin or are there cheaper devices that just log?

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[talk-ph] most and least touristy places (PH)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Everything looks yellow to me :)

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[talk-ph] SM Supermalls website is using OSM!

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Tagal na 'to actually :) I have a live list somewhere of all the 
websites using the openstreetmap.org.ph widget... let me find it...

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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. is a GO!

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc., a nonstock corporation, has been 
approved for SEC incorporation and will become official next Thursday!


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[talk-ph] Cavite Road Network Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

For meeting places in the morning in Alabang, how about

- 2nd Floor Starbucks Madrigal
or
- Jollibee / Chowking Madrigal

from there Daang Hari and SLEX are all nearby.


Meeting place in Tagaytay we should pick some place with electrical 
sockets, Starbucks last year was plugless and too crowded :)

Just my 2 centavos

Andre

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[talk-ph] Cavite Road Network Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

How bout navigation systems that use OSM, arent there a few? Perhaps 
they would like to support us in mapping the Cavite Area etc? We will 
probably be incorporated by this time also.
How bout the guy from the Marikina Mapping party who did security for 
truck shipments, maybe there are interested in sponsoring? Its basically 
gas + food allowance..

A lot of people stand to benefit from mapping of unmapped OSM areas :)

Regards,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Cavite Road Network Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Maybe after this we could do Batangas City I just noticed its not 
really mapped for a city its size :)

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[talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

So what happened? How many showed up? Kwento naman :)

BTW we should post pics and promote our mapping parties, at this rate we 
are doing way more than GMap Maker :)

Andre

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[talk-ph] Corregidor Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Maybe for future planning this, we could solicit donations from inns on 
the island or from Sun Cruises. I think this is the list of places:
(1) Corregidor Inn - by far the best accomodation but the most expensive.
(2) MacArthur's Cafe - near the Lorcha dock on the north side of 
Bottomside. (Bottomside is the area where you landed on the island). 
They have a few cottage style rooms, basic accommodation.
(3) Corregidor Cove Cafe - they have a few cottages on the ocean front 
on the south side of Bottomside. Again basic accommodation.
(4) Sea Calm Inn - located up the hill between Bottomside and 
Middleside. Also known as the 'hostel'. The sign there says P650night. 
(09189442884 or 09185241503)

Maybe offer them to map the place for free, just free stay or stipend, 
and we can show them how to print a new and updated map or how they can 
get the map image and add their own graphics to it to make their own 
'Tourist' Map of the Island that they can sell or make use of

Free mapping, what better value than free mapping? :)

Andre

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[talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi guys,

Can't make it to this one, but will try to invite some people who live 
in the area.

Regards,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Bacolod is still a big problem

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

or maybe a phone call with tone of voice would resolve things as e-mails 
seem threatening to him/her

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[talk-ph] Bacolod is still a big problem

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

How can he draw the exact road alignments on a blank map just from what 
he knows.
Yes he may know what road is here and there but he can not trace it from 
Google Maps or another copyrighted map source. He can not even align it 
by comparing it to Google maps and adjusting.
Sure he can add POIs from memory, but road alignment and position is 
something that requires a map source with permission or GPS traces correct?
Pls explain to him how if there are maps copied from a copyright source, 
OSM can be sued and shutdown by a lawsuit, that is why the organization 
is very careful and vigilant about its mapping sources.
He wouldn't want OSM to be shut down right?


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[talk-ph] marikina cake is OSM wiki's Image of the Week!

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

yay!

are the results of this uploaded, any way to show the before and after 
of this event?

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[talk-ph] Kumusta?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi Craig and welcome :)

I'm sure you'll feel welcome here and there are plenty of helpful members.

Best Regards,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Need help in analyzing the changesets from a user

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

if there isnt you should be maning atleast.

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[talk-ph] a year of edits in the philippines

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

yes saw that, I mean sana we could make one or get one made for the 
philippines... dont think it would be too complicated on their end, 
doesnt have to be 3d :)

Andre

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[talk-ph] Is this a "bad sign" for OSM-PH? (or just a very disgruntled user)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

i think the sign of him vandalizing the map is enough regardless of any 
editing dispute



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[talk-ph] a year of edits in the philippines

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

I was wondering, dunno if ItoWorld would do an animation for just the 
Philippines, but how bout CloudMade, they let us see edits by area,
is there a way to download the image of NCR or the Philippines for each 
day of the year and then we can use any image morph program to animate it :)
Might be a cool movie :)

Andre

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[talk-ph] Bacolod Being Vandalized by Large Dinosaur?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

This person seems to be having fun drawing on the map:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4287417

Also is Mr. Bacolod City http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/BacolodCity/edits
and his super huge track real? 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/BacolodCity/traces/653604

Didn't we just have an issue with Bacolod and undid everything there?

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[talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

- Do we remove the arivac tags once we fix it?
- Do we include St. or street, avenue etc in street names?
- Are the POIs imported properly, looking over all my POI's while mine 
are not totally accurate, there seems to be a general offset from my 
POIs to the Arrivac POIs, so I'm not sure which is correct
see my trace and POIs http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kzap/traces/657452

Andre

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[talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

nice very nice, accurate too i find.
are POIs still to come?
Is there a site that stores tiles each day so we can compare before and 
after?

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[talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Looking at my data I have a lot of POIs not in OSM, do you guys want me 
to upload those now, or wait for the arivac POI's ?

Andre

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[talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

ok had a look, I dont have that much tracks in Tagbilaran but those 
roads match my GPS tracks, compared to the actual roads in OSM which are 
a bit off. So so far looks good.
Looks like arivac has a lot more road data than OSM so it shouldnt be 
hard to preprocess it.

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[talk-ph] RFC: Planned Arivac Bohol Data Import

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

ah i have some stuff here, let me see if I can compare my tracks and 
waypoints I recorded last year :) never uploaded it hehe

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[talk-ph] FEATI Workshop is OSM's Image of the Week!

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

nice! :)

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[talk-ph] Better solution than MapOSMatic for Printing Maps

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Thanks Jim and Maning, didnt know there was an export option in OSM :)

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[talk-ph] Better solution than MapOSMatic for Printing Maps

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

What can I use out there to print large hand maps? I tried Maposmatic 
but it seems to be good only for a certain zoom and anything zoomed in 
too much becomes like this:
http://maposmatic.org/rendered//012132_2010-03-25_20-11_BonifacioHighStreetandSerendra.png
http://maposmatic.org/rendered//012176_2010-03-26_04-17_TheFortTaguig.png

Any suggestions ? :)

Should I just piece together tiles?

Thanks,
Andre

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[talk-ph] Uploading my GPX Tracks from my Phone Directly?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

thanks :) was trying to install gpsmid on my phone but it says its too 
big, I guess I'll have to try to compile a smaller version maybe of NCR 
only and see if it works.

Thanks

Andre

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[talk-ph] Uploading my GPX Tracks from my Phone Directly?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Does anyone know of a java or Blackberry app that can upload my tracks 
straight to OSM. I can't find time to map at home but when I'm out I 
sure could track my travels and input POI's (mapzen for iphone). Meron 
kya ng pang upload ng tracks direct from my phone to OSM?

Anyone used something like that before?

I know I can transfer to my pc and then upload pero hassle yun :) tska 
convenient yung straight from phone.

Thanks!

Andre

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[talk-ph] Previous Mapping Party Pictures

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi,

I wanted to put up  pictures/videos of our previous mapping parties: 
Tagaytay, Davao, Cubao.
Would anyone have those pics or know where I can find them all, konti 
lang kasi sa blog posts.

Andre

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[talk-ph] First time to post..testing things out..

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi Bart,

Thanks for attending the mapping party :)
It takes a day or maybe even faster for your changes to appear, 
sometimes the OSMARenderer version is updated faster.
The mailing list is always updated with new posts. I usually view it 
from a browser like here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/

Thanks again for coming and participating and hope to see you again at 
the next mapping party.

Regards,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Ready for the OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi,

Thanks to everyone who attended the Marikina Mapping party and thanks so 
much to Maning for doing all the hardwork in organizing, printing and 
baking :)
I've posted the pictures I took to the OSMPH Facebook Page: 
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=204631&id=345455082596&ref=mf

Hope to see the results of the mapping party soon. Seems it was mostly 
POI collection, how do we compare the before and after of POIs in 
Marikina? It's a bit different from Tagaytay where we drew many roads 
which were not there.

Thanks,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Flyer/pamphlet design

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Ya cguro it lacks a call to action and a part about how I can 
participate and by looking at the picture it looks like it requires GPS 
device when one can use a cellphone with GPS or walking papers.
Pero its very good for simplicity. Cguro the CCBySa part can be modified 
to note that its totally free and open.

Andre

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[talk-ph] Ready for the OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Yay! See you there.
I will see if I can bring  a printer and a scanner just in case :)
Got an microsd i keep in my phone 128MB lang, is that fine?
So 9am, I hope I can locate blue wave on my map :)
Yung late magmmap ng urinals :) joke lang bka ako yung late.

Pa post din toh sa Facebook tska sa event.

Andre

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[talk-ph] View Mailing List like a Blog

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Have you ever wanted to view our mailing list like a blog? I just found 
this link, maybe its not new to most of you, I just think its neat :)
http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.ph

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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

IMO depending on how many people and the time of the day starbucks is 
not a good idea. Always too noisy, too crowded unless its 6am :)

Foodcourt sounds good since its open though may be noisy also though 
more space?

does anyone have a smart wireless router shareit or a sun one? I can 
hookup my PLDT DSL sim to it for extra wifi

or maybe there's a way to turn my laptop into a router?

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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Oh how about We're on the Map OSM Stickers. Those would be awesome 
distribute to places when we do mapping parties. Think we can get some 
printed for the mapping party?

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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Should we create an Philippine version of the OSM Info Flyers here: 
http://www.openstreetmap.de/img/flyer-big.jpg and 
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/english_flyer_ajr_2008-04/OSMFlyer-English.pdf
 
and
I like the German version. Translation is here: 
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/german_flyer_2009_03/TRANSLATION

or maybe a modified version of 
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/recruitment_poster/poster.png 
which I think maning posted? To give out to newbies and people at the 
mall passing by or who might be interested in wth were doing?

Andre






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[talk-ph] MapZen POI Collector

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Does anyone here use MapZen by CloudMade for mapping or has tried the 
IPhone POI Collector? My wife has a IPhone 2G so I'm gonna try it out 
and hope it works without GPS :)
http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector

Would be cool if we could use that to collect POI info during the 
mapping party.

Does anyone know of any other OSM POI collectors for mobile phones? I 
want one for my BB.

Andre

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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

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- Will we be needing walking papers? Is anyone going to print them all, 
should we bring a printer perhaps or print them beforehand :)
- If we print walking papers will someone have a scanner? :) Or do we 
use a digicam haha
- Will there be banners for the cars, and information sheets incase 
people ask wth we're doing.


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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Ah very nice page design.
Does OSM not have some kind of standard pamphlet for an intro to OSM and 
mapping using JOSM or potchlatch?

I might go if I'm available that day and maybe we can get our docs 
agreed upon and signed there. Will bring car and Blackberry GPS+Laptop 
if ever :)

Andre

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[talk-ph] OSM PH Facebook Group URL

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

So OSMPH it is?

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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

We can create a custom page on the Facebook Fan Page and put whatever we 
want there. I'm not sure how to do that, I think its called FBML page or 
something, but ya its possible.

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[talk-ph] Is this spam? (boracay)

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

I actually think that's pretty cool that a resort would go out of its 
way to add itself to OSM. Tells you that they acknowledge OSM and deem 
it important to add themselves to the map.

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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

I suggest using bit.ly and a custom name since
#1 its a LOT shorter :)
#2 its probably the most popular redirector
#3 we can use that URL only for posters and can track through bit.ly how 
effective the medium was in getting us new people.

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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

I agree with the small details on the posters.
Also agree with Ronny on the URLs, it isnt a webpage. We could use OSMPH 
domain but even that is long, how bout something like 
bit.ly/MarikinaMappingParty or something very easy to remember. and I 
suggest 1 link only. Maybe to the wiki page or the Facebook event page, 
whichever works better for newbies. Also the link should be much bigger. 
Looking at the poster tells me nothing about how do i join or where to 
go. There needs to be a large Call to Action, like To Join Visit 
http://bit.ly/OSMPHMarikina
etc

all the other details as Eugene said work better in a brochure. The 
brain can only process so much information when passing by a poster. 
Also I suggest putting the main information on the black background 
since that stands out more.

Will these be placed around the places in Marikina

In regards to the event, where would we be meeting exactly, what if 
someone had no internet but wanted to join, they couldnt just go to 
those big malls, an exact location is needed too maybe.

Andre

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[talk-ph] Adding content on the OSM Philippines Blog

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Yes I think ideally How-To articles and such guides should go on the 
Wiki, maybe the blog can then link to it, but since the wiki is our 
guide to Mapping, it should go there?
Or say everyone that cant go on the wiki can go in the blog if its meant 
for public consumption.

Andre

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[talk-ph] OSM PH Facebook Group URL

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Yay our FB Group reached 25 fans! So we can pick a permanent URL na so 
wanted a quick vote

facebook.com/OSMPH
facebook.com/OpenStreetMapPH
facebook.com/OSMPhilippines
facebook.com/OpenStreetMap.Philippines

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[talk-ph] City in well city names

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Yes interesting topic. In my research on this for the OSM page, I found 
that its subjective to include the City in the name, usually it makes 
sense to include it for places where there is a province or municipality 
of the same name.
technically speaking the official name is 'Lungsod ng Manila etc' 
which should translate to City of
So yes including City in the Name is the right way to do it, but its not 
necessary in regular real life applications.

Any other opinions?



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[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Suggestion for announcing the event to get maximum exposure. Go to 
facebook and become 'Fans' of Philippine tech and mapping related fan 
pages, I mean relative groups, not something like a cooking page
and post a wall post there with the link to the event. Remember its not 
spam if its related to the fan page :)

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[talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Lets really pimp this one? would this be open to outsiders and 
newcomers? Facebook?!

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[talk-ph] Proposed Mapping Party venue for the 2nd quarter: Corregidor!

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

There's a ferry from MOA right?

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[talk-ph] OSM-PH Featured images for Jan 31 and Feb 7

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

You could even post the blog as openstreetmap.org.ph :)

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[talk-ph] mapping stepjuan's journey

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Is there any software to automatically show his position on a map aside 
from someone having to update it manually?
Looks like a great idea, maybe the web people should use facebook and 
twitter to keep people updated and spread the word before it starts even?

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[talk-ph] OSM Non Profit Formation

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

A follow up, stopped following up on this after Ondoy, but to get us 
back on track so far only out of the 5 incorporators, 2 have not yet 
submitted their information so I can not even generate the docs needed 
for signing. Please Marloue and Ronny if you can get me your info 
quickly so I can generate the docs and we can get to the long part which 
is fulfilling the requirements :)

Thanks,

Andre

---
Hi,

Ok so we finally have all the incorporators and officers together.
Eugene agreed to be President, and I will be Tres/Sec. So from everyone
who agreed to be an incorporator here I need the following information
to proceed with the preparation of papers:

- Full Name
- Address
- Cedula (Community Tax Certificate, usually costs PHP5 at the Barangay,
if a Corporation might cost PHP500 at mayors office)
- TIN (Tax ID or Passport if Foreign or not in the country)

Once I have this information we can proceed with the signing which may
be complicated because of our locations but not impossible. The sooner I
get this information the better :)

Regards,

Andre


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[talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hope you guys have fun, cant make it to this one.

Andre

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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap.org.ph Updates

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Made a few updates to OpenStreetMap.org.ph - 
http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/

I made a list of all the cities and municipalities and links to their 
maps, easy to browse: http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/viewall.php (not 
all locations are in the database but there are a lot)
Also entering some words in the search box on the main page will give 
you a list of locations that are in the database, there are about 4,000 
non-city locations :)

Andre

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[talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi,

Sorry was at the Search Engine Marketing Conference 2009 in Makati the 
past few days, had a presentation and managed to get in 1 slide to pimp 
OSM :)
On the other hand what would you guys need from us? I see lots of ideas 
coming through, I agree also we should work with whatever solution works 
best.
OSMs advantages are the ability to update right away on the map, to have 
raw data, to have more accurate maps, and other things Gmaps cant do.
Maybe theres a way we can use this to help out the other projects?

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[talk-ph] need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

The Sahana thing is interesting, does that have OSM maps?

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[talk-ph] Tropical Storm Ondoy: are you guys ok?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Ah here we go, managed to import their KML into Umapper, so now we can 
see the map using OSM
http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/42152

Its not a network link though, so its a static update. Tried to import a 
KML Network Link of Flickr photos but not sure if that worked.

Andre

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[talk-ph] Tropical Storm Ondoy: are you guys ok?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Anyone know of another community editable map that can use OSM? I was 
trying to use UMapper.com which is real good, anyone can edit etc, but 
it cant import the KML of the Google Map addresses over at the 
GMANews.tv map page. Would be good in those situations if anyone can add 
addresses.

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[talk-ph] Tropical Storm Ondoy: are you guys ok?

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

ya how can we use OSM to help everyone? Any ideas aside from what 
GMANews.tv is already doing? Maybe a community edited map of various 
things needed around the metro.

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[talk-ph] OSM Non Profit Formation

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Hi,

Ok so we finally have all the incorporators and officers together. 
Eugene agreed to be President, and I will be Tres/Sec. So from everyone 
who agreed to be an incorporator here I need the following information 
to proceed with the preparation of papers:

- Full Name
- Address
- Cedula (Community Tax Certificate, usually costs PHP5 at the Barangay, 
if a Corporation might cost PHP500 at mayors office)
- TIN (Tax ID or Passport if Foreign or not in the country)

Once I have this information we can proceed with the signing which may 
be complicated because of our locations but not impossible. The sooner I 
get this information the better :)

Regards,

Andre

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[talk-ph] Draft "MoA" between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

What would be the point of paying? It says a local chapter can use the 
logo and osm domain and promote osm. Isnt counter-productive to charge 
an organization which wants to help improve OSM locally by its own 
resources/costs? A per member fee is rather high, maybe a low chapter 
fee would be ok, but what do they need the fees for anyway? Its just 
like a way of saying this one is officially recognized. Also for paying 
that fee what does the local chapter get in return? Do we get like gps 
units, documents, paraphernalia? Stuff that helps us? Anyway I know its 
all still under discussion but I think it wouldnt be worth paying unless 
there is just reason and the members here agree to it.

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Re: [talk-ph] Draft "MoA" between the OSM-F and any possiblelocalchapter

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

Ok I'll be Sec/Tres. Will Eugene be President? Para maform na :) Lapit 
lang bahay natin sa south.


Andre

maning sambale wrote:

You're doing some the roles at the moment (tres/sec).  I nominate you then. :)

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner wrote:
  

We cant move forward on this without a President and Secretary/Treasurer,
you may want to do it democratically by voting but not many are coming
forward, if ever someone can take the position first and then hold an
officers election after.

:)

Andre






  
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