Re: [talk-ph] "VJMEJ Planned" and "Open Paint Maps"
On 16/04/2022 13:02, Jherome Miguel wrote: I just reported their two diary entries. Back on the issue, do you mean we can't discount VJMEJ Planned and Open Paint Maps are the same person? As ever, I'd suggest trying to engage with the mapper. In this case http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=15549478 has only one comment on it, and it merely says "you're wrong" - not even "hello". This was on this mapper's first ever contribution to OSM - certainly before anyone can reasonably think that they were the same person as some other mapper. However, Subsequent changeset comments by them (see http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=15549478&commented ) and diary entries (see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/VJMEJ%20Planned/diary ) suggest that they have a problem with you*1. I appreciate that there has been a problem with "new accounts" in the Philippines that are performing the same sort of edits that don't match reality that are suspected of being related, but from the perspective of the DWG we need more to go on than one person saying "I think the DWG should ban this user". Please, please, try and give new mappers the time and space to start mapping. Don't immediately assume that they will "spoil the map". Please also do not think that sending repeated emails and reports to the DWG that add no new information (or cc:ing me directly) will get your issue dealt with quicker. If anything, it'll have the reverse effect. Instead, please say "hello and welcome", and offer to help them doing whatever it is that they are doing. If they are mapping things incorrectly, explain why it is wrong (don't just say that it is) and invite them to discuss how to map with the rest of the PH community. Right now the thread https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2022-April/thread.html#6947 only has mails from you in it*2, so it appears not to be an especially important issue within the wider PH community. Once these is more discussion (especially, changeset comments from other mappers) I'm sure that someone from the DWG will pick it up. Best Regards, Andy Townsend, from the Data Working Group *1 visible at the time of writing. Some of their diary entries have already been hidden. *2 to be fair we have had one other issue report about this user. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] "Open Paint Maps"
I think we need to take a bit of a step back here. This is a new account with just over 100 edits, and they're going to make mistakes (I certainly did at that stage). They may not fully understand what they're editing, or why some things should be mapped as one thing or another. The changeset discussion comments they've received can be seen at https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=14817502 . While it's great to get in touch and say what they've done wrong, what would be better would be to explain in a bit more detail why (e.g. with changeset comments link to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments which explains how they help). Rather than "clean your mess" it would help to explain why something is classified as A not B, and to offer to help with other questions that they will surely have. With regard to "Drawing paint secondary road map blocked SometingElse" it's not really "Blackmail"; it's just a comment by someone who's hurting from their first interaction with the OSM community. Maybe it just needs someone in the area (perhaps someone not previously involved) to say "hello and welcome" and ask "how can I help"? Best Regards, Andy On 21/01/2022 02:29, Jherome Miguel wrote: For everyone who wants to deal with this mapper, be warned! You can be singled out for false accusation of all sorts, and he's now resorting to trolling every user who monitors his edits. He's now blocked, but he's not going to stop until he gets a longer block. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:39 PM Jherome Miguel wrote: -- Forwarded message - From: *Jherome Miguel* Date: Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] "Open Paint Maps" To: Andy Townsend , He’s back again, and he's now blackmailing you in his latest edit comment (i.e. Drawing paint secondary road map blocked SometingElse). Already warned some local users to be careful. Please consider revert once user is blocked. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 7:41 AM Andy Townsend wrote: On 16/01/2022 06:41, Jherome Miguel wrote: > Anyone monitoring this new user, "Open Paint Maps"? This one's > suspicious, not only for its username that is obviously deceptively > similar to the OSM name, but this is also messing with roads in > various places. Just undid or fix some of this one's edits. > See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5604 . We'll keep an eye on future edits. Best Regards, Andy (from the DWG) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] "Open Paint Maps"
On 16/01/2022 06:41, Jherome Miguel wrote: Anyone monitoring this new user, "Open Paint Maps"? This one's suspicious, not only for its username that is obviously deceptively similar to the OSM name, but this is also messing with roads in various places. Just undid or fix some of this one's edits. See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5604 . We'll keep an eye on future edits. Best Regards, Andy (from the DWG) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] #MyInspirationCanRollOverNow
Hello, Andy from OSM's Data Working Group here. We're trying to identify an organised mapping project - someone has complained to the DWG about poor mapping, and I'm trying to track down the project that those edits were part of. The actual edits were in Côte d’Ivoire and seem trying to map things for https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/710 (unfortunately that task seems to offer no guidance), but the mapper concerned appears to be based in the Philippines (based on other edits) and uses the changeset comment "#MyInspirationCanRollOverNow" for these changes. This appears to be undocumented at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities (or anywhere else in the OSM wiki). If anyone knows which organisation this hashtag refers to can can put them in contact with the DWG or tell us how to contact them, that'd be really helpful. The best address to use for direct email is probably d...@openstreetmap.org (see https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group for more details). Best Regards, Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Rollback of admin boundary edits in the Philippines due to incompatible license (was Re: Alaminos Barangay borders)
On 30/06/2020 08:15, maning sambale wrote: After reviewing the edits and communicating with the mapper, we decided to roll-back all edits related to this issue due to incompatible source. We plan to do this as a local community. Please see the plane here for comments and suggestions: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/67 cc'ed here is OpenStreetMap Foundation's Data Working Group for guidance. Hi, Thanks for letting us know, Best Regards, Andy, from the DWG ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Vandalism by user Niwre Erv Apotseg
Hello, Andy from OSM's Data Working Group here. On 15/03/2020 07:24, Timeo Gut wrote: I just noticed that the user Niwre Erv Apotseg has been conducting rampant vandalism in Davao City and some Davao del Sur areas for the past 15 days or possibly longer. I've been looking through about 20 of his changesets and every single one is packed with edits that range from highly questionable to obviously intentional vandalism. What I'd normally suggest in cases like this is to add at least one fairly detailed changeset discussion comment explaining that "OpenStreetMap is a map of the world as it really exists, not as you'd like it to be, and it is therefore not OK to add imaginary things to OpenStreetMap". Also explain how you know that a certain feature is imaginary. I'd also comment on other changesets as well explaining how X is obviously fake and does not belong in OpenStreetMap. They've made 225 changesets so I wouldn't suggest that you need to comment on all of them, but it helps if several different people politely comment on a few of them. These comments will be emailed to the user and will also appear at http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=10839391 and we (the DWG) can then initially block the user for not explaining why the features that they are adding are real. To systematically clean up this mess would take many days if not weeks. Is there any way to revert his changesets and to prevent this user from causing further damage? It is possible to "revert everything by a particular user", though it will need manual intervention when someone else has editing something after the problem mapper did (this particularly affects relations, obviously). For this reason it's easier to revert problem changes by a particular user if they haven't been "half cleaned up" first. We can prevent this user account from accessing OpenStreetMap, either until they have read a message or for a period of time, but we can't easily prevent them from creating a different account and continuing from there. Although we do get some vandals who create lots of accounts this is relatively rare in OSM, once actual human beings starting explaining to people why they shouldn't add rubbish to OSM they usually stop. Best Regards, Andy Townsend, from OSM's Data Working Group. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Potentially problematic edits
On 27/06/2019 15:41, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Thank you for this notice. I have reverted the changeset you mentioned. While I am a bit too far away to confirm on-the-ground, I have tried to confirm or research online any news about any supposed "future expansion" of the shopping mall including in real estate forums and I did not find any news about any expansion plans (aside from an outdated news article back in 2012). This, together with the blocked user's habit of doing unverified/wrong edits, means that we should revert their changes as a precaution. Thanks - I'd agree with that approach in this case. Best Regards, Andy ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Potentially problematic edits
On 27/06/2019 15:18, maning sambale wrote: Yes we aware of this issue, we are tracking it here: https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/50 Thanks. It'd be good if there was a link to that from changeset discussions rather than just a hashtag :) Does this need me to revert this change or is someone else going to do it? Best Regards, Andy ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Potentially problematic edits
Hello, Do the changes in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/71374826 look OK to everyone? See http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=9248920 for previous comments on this user's changesets. They're currently blocked until they engage with the community (or more likely, have created another sock-puppet account that hasn't been noticed yet). Various people within the community have reverted previous edits in the past; just checking whether this one needed to be done too. Best Regards, Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Edits in Metro Manila
An editor whose previous edits have all been reverted (see http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=1918338 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1127) and whose changeset comments are all "YES!" is back. Do the three changesets 4 days ago look OK to everyone? Some of the ways in them have already been "connected up" by Mapbox's data people (see e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/467178965) so it'd be good to know that what they joined up actually existed. Best Regards Andy Townsend (from OpenStreetMap's Data Working Group) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Problematical OpenStreetMap edits around "null island"
Hello,
I wonder if anyone here can help. I'm trying to track down the cause of
a problem where rogue data is getting added around latitude 0, longitude
0 in the middle of the Atlandic.
The latest example changeset that does this has a changeset comment of
"#Project NOAH-ISAIAH added buildings". It's that user's first
changeset, and adds some buildings both in the northern Philippines and
at "null island". A web search for that changeset comment finds
http://blog.noah.dost.gov.ph/2016/03/18/project-noah-announces-start-of-isaiah/
and the contact info there is talk-ph@openstreetmap.org , so I'm sending
this email to this list.
Clearly something has gone wrong somewhere - either the lat/long values
for the nodes of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/452601924/history
were confused by JOSM at upload, or confused by something external to
JOSM and JOSM was just used as an interface to the OSM API without
checking the uploaded data. Obviously this isn't the fault of the user
who uploaded it (it's their first changeset!) but it would be great if
whatever training they receive could be changed so that things like this
don't happen in the future.
In order to do that, can anyone think what might be the best way to
contact whoever would have run the OSM session in which this user
uploaded that changeset? If we can work out want went wrong we can fix
it for next time, whether it's a JOSM bug or something procedurally that
needs changing.
Best Regards
Andy Townsend ("SomeoneElse" in OSM)
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