Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads
hahaha, true! the opinions would stem from how they are likely to interpret the - (dash). If they take it to mean as "to" as in, Los Banos to Calamba, then we will have to be direction sensitive here ... mid-way renaming may be a good move. Though, normally, afaik, the "direction" of National Highways is computed relative to its radial direction from kilometer 0 in Manila. Travelers would notice this behavior and how the kilometer post distances (total distance, not inter-town distance) increases as its location gets farther away from Manila. I.e., say town A is radially nearer to Manila than town B, the kilometer posts kinda gives the hint that the road is from town A to town B and not town B to town A. So, I guess a case like Los Banos and Calamba, it would be okay to simply call it Calamba - Los Banos. Anyway, it may still be a good idea to split hairs, ah I mean, split roads :>) cheers! On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jim Morgan wrote: > OK, well just to split hairs a bit here ... which is what this list is all > about ... :-) > > So you have a road between Calamba and Los Banos for example. Do you name > it Calamba - Los Banos road, or Los Banos - Calamba Road? I guess people in > both towns would have strong opinions about this! Or do you split it > roughly half way, and call it both, depending on what town you're nearest? > I guess that would make more sense, but its more hassle to implement. > > Another thought. Do you just do this at the town level? How about if > there's a village on the way? Or a road connecting two villages? > > I'm still of the opinion than any information at all is better than no > information, but these seem like protocols worth hashing out. > > Won't be able to make the mapping thing tomorrow unfortunately, but have > fun, and have a great Christmas/Festive Season/ name here> all! > > Jim > > > > -- > > datalude: information security > e: j...@datalude.com > Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 > Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 > w: http://www.datalude.com/ > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads
I'd probably split it in the city/town limit. (See ASCII illustration below) == Town A - Town B Road == (city/town limit node) == Town B - Town A Road == This may also apply to villages, but the implementation may vary from user to user. Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it. - Blog: http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/ OpenStreetMap/Twitter: ianlopez1115 Facebook: ian.lopez From: Jim Morgan To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads OK, well just to split hairs a bit here ... which is what this list is all about ... :-) So you have a road between Calamba and Los Banos for example. Do you name it Calamba - Los Banos road, or Los Banos - Calamba Road? I guess people in both towns would have strong opinions about this! Or do you split it roughly half way, and call it both, depending on what town you're nearest? I guess that would make more sense, but its more hassle to implement. Another thought. Do you just do this at the town level? How about if there's a village on the way? Or a road connecting two villages? I'm still of the opinion than any information at all is better than no information, but these seem like protocols worth hashing out. Won't be able to make the mapping thing tomorrow unfortunately, but have fun, and have a great Christmas/Festive Season/ all! Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads
OK, well just to split hairs a bit here ... which is what this list is all about ... :-) So you have a road between Calamba and Los Banos for example. Do you name it Calamba - Los Banos road, or Los Banos - Calamba Road? I guess people in both towns would have strong opinions about this! Or do you split it roughly half way, and call it both, depending on what town you're nearest? I guess that would make more sense, but its more hassle to implement. Another thought. Do you just do this at the town level? How about if there's a village on the way? Or a road connecting two villages? I'm still of the opinion than any information at all is better than no information, but these seem like protocols worth hashing out. Won't be able to make the mapping thing tomorrow unfortunately, but have fun, and have a great Christmas/Festive Season/ all! Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads
Hi Maning, i'm also thinking of renaming them like the roads around Laguna. I was thinking or using the main roads of the towns as boundaries say, Calamba - Los Banos Road or highway. I intend to use it for Surigao del Sur... lots of update backlogs for me, lots of unuploaded traces On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM, maning sambale wrote: > Forwarding this mail to the list for further discussion. > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: maning sambale > Date: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: towns and inter-town roads > > Dear Ed and everyone, > > I actually proposed this naming scheme for national roads without > names [0], so far, no consensus. But I fully agree on your proposal > to do this. Regarding the "the whole Trunk in Northern Luzon is simply > named R-9", would it be better to use a relation for the ref=R-9? > > [0] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2011-October/003555.html > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Ed Garcia wrote: > > Guys, > > > > I have just been on a road trip to the north and have been extensively > using > > the OSM Garmin Map and experimented in how it can help me find my way > > through inter-town "sidetrip" travel especially in Northern Pangasinan. > > > > I came up with some "nice-to-implement' things on the map. > > > > For starters, it was, and it would really be nice to have those > inter-town > > roads be named with the town names that they link. Example: Urdaneta - > San > > Jacinto, or San Jacinto - San Fabian road > > > > This is very useful as I found out that this helps a lot in showing the > > traveler whether they are on the right route when traveling from town to > > town. Like, it happened so when I was trying to find my way back from > > Manaoag to Urdaneta yesterday. I tried following the streets signs at > > Manaoag that say "to Manila" and was already on the road leaving Manaoag > > behind when I saw on the GPS telling me: "Driving along Manaoag - > > Mapandan" when I should be along Urdaneta - Manaoag! Now, if the road > > had no appropriate name on the GPS, I would have ended up in the wrong > town. > > > > I have already named a number of inter-town roads with the above naming > > convention on OSM. Especially those that do not have any names yet. > This > > works well for primary inter-town roads. But, I have a slight problem > with > > Trunk roads ... the whole Trunk in Northern Luzon is simply named R-9 ... > > How can we nicely incorporate the town-to-town info on trunks? > > > > Anyway, the whole idea on the above is to give the GPS user a good idea > on > > what inter-town road they are driving on, and an idea on what the next > town > > is down the road, and better even on how far down the road is the next > > town. It would have been easy to navigate so if the GPS had the town > names > > as "waypoints" so the gps user would simply do a "find" or "where to" to > the > > next town. But problem is, the GPS (or the GPS map) does not always > have > > the town names available for searching. The towns cannot be found in > > "Cities", well, because they are not really Cities. They can sometimes > be > > found under Points of Interest and by doing a "Spell Name". > > > > We must somehow have a Town category. At the moment, on my next road > trip > > on Dec 23, I will try to compile as much towns as I can and put them on a > > POI list that is uploadable to the Garmin via POI Loader so I can do a > > "where to" by pointing to the "extras". I will experiment with custom > route > > uploads too. > > > > yun lang po, > > > > cheers! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > website administrator: > > - www.waypoints.ph > > - reeflife.eppgarcia.com > > > > PADI Divemaster #491048 > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com "I don't need a map! I have the GPS. Never need a map again, thank you" - Car lost on Route 66, Radiator Springs (Cars) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: towns and inter-town roads
Forwarding this mail to the list for further discussion. -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale Date: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM Subject: Re: towns and inter-town roads Dear Ed and everyone, I actually proposed this naming scheme for national roads without names [0], so far, no consensus. But I fully agree on your proposal to do this. Regarding the "the whole Trunk in Northern Luzon is simply named R-9", would it be better to use a relation for the ref=R-9? [0] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2011-October/003555.html On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Ed Garcia wrote: > Guys, > > I have just been on a road trip to the north and have been extensively using > the OSM Garmin Map and experimented in how it can help me find my way > through inter-town "sidetrip" travel especially in Northern Pangasinan. > > I came up with some "nice-to-implement' things on the map. > > For starters, it was, and it would really be nice to have those inter-town > roads be named with the town names that they link. Example: Urdaneta - San > Jacinto, or San Jacinto - San Fabian road > > This is very useful as I found out that this helps a lot in showing the > traveler whether they are on the right route when traveling from town to > town. Like, it happened so when I was trying to find my way back from > Manaoag to Urdaneta yesterday. I tried following the streets signs at > Manaoag that say "to Manila" and was already on the road leaving Manaoag > behind when I saw on the GPS telling me: "Driving along Manaoag - > Mapandan" when I should be along Urdaneta - Manaoag! Now, if the road > had no appropriate name on the GPS, I would have ended up in the wrong town. > > I have already named a number of inter-town roads with the above naming > convention on OSM. Especially those that do not have any names yet. This > works well for primary inter-town roads. But, I have a slight problem with > Trunk roads ... the whole Trunk in Northern Luzon is simply named R-9 ... > How can we nicely incorporate the town-to-town info on trunks? > > Anyway, the whole idea on the above is to give the GPS user a good idea on > what inter-town road they are driving on, and an idea on what the next town > is down the road, and better even on how far down the road is the next > town. It would have been easy to navigate so if the GPS had the town names > as "waypoints" so the gps user would simply do a "find" or "where to" to the > next town. But problem is, the GPS (or the GPS map) does not always have > the town names available for searching. The towns cannot be found in > "Cities", well, because they are not really Cities. They can sometimes be > found under Points of Interest and by doing a "Spell Name". > > We must somehow have a Town category. At the moment, on my next road trip > on Dec 23, I will try to compile as much towns as I can and put them on a > POI list that is uploadable to the Garmin via POI Loader so I can do a > "where to" by pointing to the "extras". I will experiment with custom route > uploads too. > > yun lang po, > > cheers! > > > > > > -- > website administrator: > - www.waypoints.ph > - reeflife.eppgarcia.com > > PADI Divemaster #491048 -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
