Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Kai and all, Yes we have secured a space in the OSM-dev server. I have been uploading the files for generation of a mapnik like tiles which everyone can use in any OSM editor. Almost halfway the uploading process. Will keep you updated for progress. One option to host the images might be on the OSM-dev server. It has a fair amount of space and can be used for projects to help expand OSM, so hosting aerial imagery from which one can trace for OSM seems well within its intended purposes. It currently also hosts some out-of-copyright maps of the UK for tracing, which is similar in nature. I guess it will depend a bit on how large the images are and under what conditions they are allowed to be used, but it is worth asking the server admins for a dev-account. Another alternative could potentially be the new dev server Strato donated to the German OSM-chapter. Kai -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Hi, Just an additional update: 1. SPOT Asia donated SPOT5 images for areas in Eastern Bulacan (10m resolution). Not very high-res but we can still use it. 2. Quickbird downloads halfway done (I'm running out of disk space already!). Posted a hosting request to the OSm main talk. No takers so far. All status are documented here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#Data_updates Please add more ideas on how we can maximize the use of the images. On 10/21/09, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Well, once option 1 is set, people can start tracing. Also, we can then start organizing for an event for this. It would be nice if we can get someone who is familiar with Pangasinan. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: For option 1 somebody at main talk committed to help. For option 3, can you join to at least start the tracing once we have the data? Parang code sprint only this time trace sprint ala google map maker mapping party. On 10/21/09, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I think a combination of options 1 and 3 is better. Set-up option 1 and have option 3 for publicity. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:23 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Just to add, we are also allowed to give the data to anybody outside OSM who wish to use them. But I propose they should get an approval of the group and not just me for that matter. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got a word from DigitalGlobe re: clarification on the license agreement. Here is the reply: You have full permission to distribute it as you feel you need to, to as many people as you need to, as long as when applicable, you credit the imagery to DigitalGlobe. Provided we do not sell the imagery, it is completely OK to use the data in OSM. Yay! As a preview here's the coverage of data (attached) quickbird_coverage.png An example imagery showing inundated riverbanks post San Roque dam (October 09, 2009) flooded_banks.png The rest of the images are archive (2006) but still very useful. I have been reviewing Gaza's experience on how they used a similar imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine_Gaza#Commercial_aerial_photography There are several options we can explore in order to share the load on tracing the imagery: 1. Create a secured non-cacheable WMS - pro: anybody with proper credentials can access the data and use it in josm or merkaartor. con - need a server to host and maintain 2. Give the actual images to interested volunteers - pro: easy to distribute just provide a download link or send a dvd con: we cannot guarantee that the imagery won't be sold or anything. Just so you know this cost around 2.8 million pesos from a local reseller. 3. Let's organize a map tracing event - pro: we have another social event to look forward invite LGUs who can use the data. con: logistical preparations As some of you know me personally, I would prefer to give out the data to anyone interested but given the explicit request by DigitalGlobe not to let the data (raw imagery) used for profit, I am somehow hesitant in this case. A good parnership with DigitalGlobe can help is in the future. Any ideas? cheers, maning On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Yep! Good enough for our purpose. I'm 10% finished with the download (poor PC)! Will post details on the data when I'm done. In the meantime we need to discuss how we can share the load in extracting the data (covering 700 sq km @ 0.6 meter resolution) within the bounds of product license. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Is the imagery rectified already? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: That's really the plan. They are aware that we are using it for OSM to support disaster recovery efforts. Offline tracing is OK but re-distributing the imagery. Based on experience, is not OK. On 10/20/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we just formally ask DigitalGlobe that we will be tracing their images for OSM? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, DigitalGlobe provided high-res images for some areas affected by Pepeng in Northern Luzon. I am downloading them now. Might take 1 full day (maybe more) to finish. I would like to share them to the group so that they can help tracing the roads. However, I don't think DigitalGlobe allows for public access of the images. Any
Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Well, once option 1 is set, people can start tracing. Also, we can then start organizing for an event for this. It would be nice if we can get someone who is familiar with Pangasinan. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: For option 1 somebody at main talk committed to help. For option 3, can you join to at least start the tracing once we have the data? Parang code sprint only this time trace sprint ala google map maker mapping party. On 10/21/09, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I think a combination of options 1 and 3 is better. Set-up option 1 and have option 3 for publicity. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:23 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Just to add, we are also allowed to give the data to anybody outside OSM who wish to use them. But I propose they should get an approval of the group and not just me for that matter. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got a word from DigitalGlobe re: clarification on the license agreement. Here is the reply: You have full permission to distribute it as you feel you need to, to as many people as you need to, as long as when applicable, you credit the imagery to DigitalGlobe. Provided we do not sell the imagery, it is completely OK to use the data in OSM. Yay! As a preview here's the coverage of data (attached) quickbird_coverage.png An example imagery showing inundated riverbanks post San Roque dam (October 09, 2009) flooded_banks.png The rest of the images are archive (2006) but still very useful. I have been reviewing Gaza's experience on how they used a similar imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine_Gaza#Commercial_aerial_photography There are several options we can explore in order to share the load on tracing the imagery: 1. Create a secured non-cacheable WMS - pro: anybody with proper credentials can access the data and use it in josm or merkaartor. con - need a server to host and maintain 2. Give the actual images to interested volunteers - pro: easy to distribute just provide a download link or send a dvd con: we cannot guarantee that the imagery won't be sold or anything. Just so you know this cost around 2.8 million pesos from a local reseller. 3. Let's organize a map tracing event - pro: we have another social event to look forward invite LGUs who can use the data. con: logistical preparations As some of you know me personally, I would prefer to give out the data to anyone interested but given the explicit request by DigitalGlobe not to let the data (raw imagery) used for profit, I am somehow hesitant in this case. A good parnership with DigitalGlobe can help is in the future. Any ideas? cheers, maning On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Yep! Good enough for our purpose. I'm 10% finished with the download (poor PC)! Will post details on the data when I'm done. In the meantime we need to discuss how we can share the load in extracting the data (covering 700 sq km @ 0.6 meter resolution) within the bounds of product license. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Is the imagery rectified already? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: That's really the plan. They are aware that we are using it for OSM to support disaster recovery efforts. Offline tracing is OK but re-distributing the imagery. Based on experience, is not OK. On 10/20/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we just formally ask DigitalGlobe that we will be tracing their images for OSM? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, DigitalGlobe provided high-res images for some areas affected by Pepeng in Northern Luzon. I am downloading them now. Might take 1 full day (maybe more) to finish. I would like to share them to the group so that they can help tracing the roads. However, I don't think DigitalGlobe allows for public access of the images. Any suggestion how we can proceed? Maybe a satellite tracing party? @ Mikel, can you share your experience with Gaza? AFAIK, you have access to highres images in the area but a similar non-public release of the images ws part of the agreement? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Just to add, we are also allowed to give the data to anybody outside OSM who wish to use them. But I propose they should get an approval of the group and not just me for that matter. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got a word from DigitalGlobe re: clarification on the license agreement. Here is the reply: You have full permission to distribute it as you feel you need to, to as many people as you need to, as long as when applicable, you credit the imagery to DigitalGlobe. Provided we do not sell the imagery, it is completely OK to use the data in OSM. Yay! As a preview here's the coverage of data (attached) quickbird_coverage.png An example imagery showing inundated riverbanks post San Roque dam (October 09, 2009) flooded_banks.png The rest of the images are archive (2006) but still very useful. I have been reviewing Gaza's experience on how they used a similar imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine_Gaza#Commercial_aerial_photography There are several options we can explore in order to share the load on tracing the imagery: 1. Create a secured non-cacheable WMS - pro: anybody with proper credentials can access the data and use it in josm or merkaartor. con - need a server to host and maintain 2. Give the actual images to interested volunteers - pro: easy to distribute just provide a download link or send a dvd con: we cannot guarantee that the imagery won't be sold or anything. Just so you know this cost around 2.8 million pesos from a local reseller. 3. Let's organize a map tracing event - pro: we have another social event to look forward invite LGUs who can use the data. con: logistical preparations As some of you know me personally, I would prefer to give out the data to anyone interested but given the explicit request by DigitalGlobe not to let the data (raw imagery) used for profit, I am somehow hesitant in this case. A good parnership with DigitalGlobe can help is in the future. Any ideas? cheers, maning On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Yep! Good enough for our purpose. I'm 10% finished with the download (poor PC)! Will post details on the data when I'm done. In the meantime we need to discuss how we can share the load in extracting the data (covering 700 sq km @ 0.6 meter resolution) within the bounds of product license. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Is the imagery rectified already? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: That's really the plan. They are aware that we are using it for OSM to support disaster recovery efforts. Offline tracing is OK but re-distributing the imagery. Based on experience, is not OK. On 10/20/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we just formally ask DigitalGlobe that we will be tracing their images for OSM? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, DigitalGlobe provided high-res images for some areas affected by Pepeng in Northern Luzon. I am downloading them now. Might take 1 full day (maybe more) to finish. I would like to share them to the group so that they can help tracing the roads. However, I don't think DigitalGlobe allows for public access of the images. Any suggestion how we can proceed? Maybe a satellite tracing party? @ Mikel, can you share your experience with Gaza? AFAIK, you have access to highres images in the area but a similar non-public release of the images ws part of the agreement? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers,
