Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Hi, This is great ! I checked Negros, Cebu and Bohol islands. No high resolution coverage, except for Cebu city... Cheers. Totor --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > From: Eugene Alvin Villar > Subject: Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with > no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use) > To: "maning sambale" > Cc: "osm-ph" > Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 4:46 PM > Martijn has updated his tool for > determining the date of the Bing > imagery. Now you can see how many more zoom levels are > there. I think > this may make it easier to spot more Bing imagery in the > Philippines. > > For example here is Puerto Galera: > http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/?lat=13.495687421588386&lon=120.9321205854468&z=12 > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, maning sambale > > wrote: > > I updated the wiki for the date of imagery using the > site in this blog: > > http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/bing-aerial-photos-for-openstreetmap-great-but-are-they-recent/ > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/High-resolution_imagery#Bing_Imagery > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Anthony G. Balico > > > wrote: > >> You're welcome Noli, happy to help. > >> > >> Hurry with the experiments and there's a looot of > things to do :) > >> > >> > >> On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 23:24 +1100, Noli Sicad > wrote: > >>> Hi Anthony, > >>> > >>> Now I got it. > >>> > >>> I will do experimental editing and tracing. > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot. > >>> > >>> Regards, Noli > >>> > >>> > >>> On 12/4/10, Anthony G. Balico > wrote: > >>> > Hi Noli, > >>> > > >>> > You may want to fire up a bit your josm > using this little tweak > >>> > > java -Xmx512m -jar > josm-latest.jar > >>> > > >>> > I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, > and its working great you may > >>> > give it a try (a josm restart is > necessary after installing a new > >>> > plugin). > >>> > > >>> > After that, just simply download map from > osm (3rd from left on the menu > >>> > icons), box your area of interest (not so > large otherwise you get an > >>> > error). By default it will download > only osm data but i suggest you > >>> > tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps > data from the db as well. After > >>> > both were download, click "Imagery" from > the main menu then choose Bing > >>> > Sat. Now you're good to go :) > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Anthony > >>> > > >>> > On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli > Sicad wrote: > >>> >> How do I start traces Bing Maps > Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. > >>> >> > >>> >> Steps > >>> >> 1. Download the latest > josm-latest.jar > >>> >> 2. In terminal (linux) > >>> >> > java -jar josm-latest.jar > >>> >> 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) > >>> >> > >>> >> What is next to do? > >>> >> > >>> >> 4.File -> New New Layer? > >>> >> 5. > >>> >> 6. > >>> >> 7, > >>> >> > >>> >> Any short tutorial? > >>> >> > >>> >> I watched the JOSM videos by Steve > Coast. It seems not applicable to > >>> >> tracing maps. > >>> >> > >>> >> Thanks. > >>> >> > >>> >> Noli > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On 12/1/10, maning sambale > wrote: > >>> >> > I'm posting this to generate > insights on how we should maximize and > >>> >> > accelerate data contributions in > bing covered areas. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > At the moment there are a lot of > bing imagery with minimal active > >>> >> > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is > the lack of imagery). I am > >>> >> > predicting that this will change > very soon when other people start to > >>> >> > see that their area of inte
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Martijn has updated his tool for determining the date of the Bing imagery. Now you can see how many more zoom levels are there. I think this may make it easier to spot more Bing imagery in the Philippines. For example here is Puerto Galera: http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/?lat=13.495687421588386&lon=120.9321205854468&z=12 On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM, maning sambale wrote: > I updated the wiki for the date of imagery using the site in this blog: > http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/bing-aerial-photos-for-openstreetmap-great-but-are-they-recent/ > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/High-resolution_imagery#Bing_Imagery > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Anthony G. Balico > wrote: >> You're welcome Noli, happy to help. >> >> Hurry with the experiments and there's a looot of things to do :) >> >> >> On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 23:24 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: >>> Hi Anthony, >>> >>> Now I got it. >>> >>> I will do experimental editing and tracing. >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Regards, Noli >>> >>> >>> On 12/4/10, Anthony G. Balico wrote: >>> > Hi Noli, >>> > >>> > You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak >>> > > java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar >>> > >>> > I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, and its working great you may >>> > give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new >>> > plugin). >>> > >>> > After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu >>> > icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an >>> > error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you >>> > tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps data from the db as well. After >>> > both were download, click "Imagery" from the main menu then choose Bing >>> > Sat. Now you're good to go :) >>> > >>> > >>> > Anthony >>> > >>> > On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: >>> >> How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. >>> >> >>> >> Steps >>> >> 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar >>> >> 2. In terminal (linux) >>> >> > java -jar josm-latest.jar >>> >> 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) >>> >> >>> >> What is next to do? >>> >> >>> >> 4.File -> New New Layer? >>> >> 5. >>> >> 6. >>> >> 7, >>> >> >>> >> Any short tutorial? >>> >> >>> >> I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to >>> >> tracing maps. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks. >>> >> >>> >> Noli >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: >>> >> > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and >>> >> > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. >>> >> > >>> >> > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active >>> >> > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am >>> >> > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to >>> >> > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a >>> >> > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people >>> >> > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? >>> >> > >>> >> > Some suggestions: >>> >> > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: >>> >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery >>> >> > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: >>> >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? >>> >> >>> >> > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery >>> >> > is now available (via OSM messaging). >>> >> > >>> >> > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as >>> >> > highway=road). >>> >> > >>> >> > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it >>> >> > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 >>> >> > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" >>> >> > town) :) . >>> >> > >>> >> > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm >>> >> > groups within these imagery covered areas. >>> >> > >>> >> > Any ideas? >>> >> >>> >> ___ >>> >> talk-ph mailing list >>> >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
More bing hunt by Anthony (BkueArrow) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=88982436 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=88982603 As Eugene mentioned, bing images seems to appear in odd places. Nice find BlueArrow. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Jim Morgan wrote: > > > Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 07 December, 2010 03:13 PM: >> I successfully added the Imagery plugin and it seems to work (I can see >> Imagery item on the main menu) But, I may be missing a step here... I >> could not see the Bing Sat option from the Imagery menu items on the main >> menu. All I can see are the Landsat / Landsat (mirror) / Yahoo Sat / >> Rectified Image / Blank Layer. How to I "add" Bing to the options? > > Check you've got josm-latest rather than josm-tested. I'm guessing it hasn't > made it through to the tested version yet. > > Jim > > > > -- > > datalude: information security > e: j...@datalude.com > Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 > Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 > w: http://www.datalude.com/ > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 07 December, 2010 03:13 PM: > I successfully added the Imagery plugin and it seems to work (I can see > Imagery item on the main menu) But, I may be missing a step here... I could > not see the Bing Sat option from the Imagery menu items on the main menu. > All I can see are the Landsat / Landsat (mirror) / Yahoo Sat / Rectified > Image / Blank Layer. How to I "add" Bing to the options? Check you've got josm-latest rather than josm-tested. I'm guessing it hasn't made it through to the tested version yet. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
> btw, i'm using it on windows. The maning's simple instruction of > simply downloading josm-latest.jar did not work for me earlier. I had > uninstalled the josm windows installer, & installed the plain > josm-latest.jar... didn't work. Sorry. :) > but then, after downloading the latest version again, I finally saw > Bing on JOSM version 3695, and I'm still clueless what happened and > how I did it. :-) This is because at the time that you have initially downloaded josm, the bing slippy option is disabled in the win installer because of the pending legal blah. I suspect that when you downloaded the win installer again, the legalese is now OK. > I still have to figure out how to zoom in way down to a closer look of > street level in josm. Bing imagery tend to disappear below 80meter > zoom level. (i don't mind seeing pixelized image as long as I can see > the silhouette of street) In the Preferences-SlippyMap>Tile Sources>Bing Aerial Maps, set the max zoom level to 21 or higher. The default was z18. -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Ed, It took me nearly a week of (re)downloading josm-latest.jar before I saw in JOSM's Preferences-SlippyMap>Tile Sources>Bing Aerial Maps btw, i'm using it on windows. The maning's simple instruction of simply downloading josm-latest.jar did not work for me earlier. I had uninstalled the josm windows installer, & installed the plain josm-latest.jar... didn't work. In one of the desperate moves, i even deleted the Application Data on C:\Documents and Settings\rally\Application Data\JOSM didn't work at first. but then, after downloading the latest version again, I finally saw Bing on JOSM version 3695, and I'm still clueless what happened and how I did it. :-) I still have to figure out how to zoom in way down to a closer look of street level in josm. Bing imagery tend to disappear below 80meter zoom level. (i don't mind seeing pixelized image as long as I can see the silhouette of street) rally On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ed Garcia wrote: > Hello Anthony, > > I successfully added the Imagery plugin and it seems to work (I can see > Imagery item on the main menu) But, I may be missing a step here... I > could not see the Bing Sat option from the Imagery menu items on the main > menu. All I can see are the Landsat / Landsat (mirror) / Yahoo Sat / > Rectified Image / Blank Layer. How to I "add" Bing to the options? > > thanks > ed > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Anthony G. Balico > wrote: >> >> Hi Noli, >> >> You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak >> > java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar >> >> I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, and its working great you may >> give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new >> plugin). >> >> After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu >> icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an >> error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you >> tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps data from the db as well. After >> both were download, click "Imagery" from the main menu then choose Bing >> Sat. Now you're good to go :) >> >> >> Anthony >> >> On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: >> > How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. >> > >> > Steps >> > 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar >> > 2. In terminal (linux) >> > > java -jar josm-latest.jar >> > 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) >> > >> > What is next to do? >> > >> > 4.File -> New New Layer? >> > 5. >> > 6. >> > 7, >> > >> > Any short tutorial? >> > >> > I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to >> > tracing maps. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Noli >> > >> > >> > >> > On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: >> > > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and >> > > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. >> > > >> > > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active >> > > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am >> > > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to >> > > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a >> > > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people >> > > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? >> > > >> > > Some suggestions: >> > > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: >> > > >> > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery >> > > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: >> > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? >> > >> > > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery >> > > is now available (via OSM messaging). >> > > >> > > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as >> > > highway=road). >> > > >> > > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it >> > > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 >> > > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" >> > > town) :) . >> > > >> > > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm >> > > groups within these imagery covered areas. >> > > >> > > Any ideas? >> > >> > ___ >> > talk-ph mailing list >> > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > -- > website administrator: > - www.waypoints.ph > - reeflife.eppgarcia.com > > PADI Divemaster #491048 > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Hello Anthony, I successfully added the Imagery plugin and it seems to work (I can see Imagery item on the main menu) But, I may be missing a step here... I could not see the Bing Sat option from the Imagery menu items on the main menu. All I can see are the Landsat / Landsat (mirror) / Yahoo Sat / Rectified Image / Blank Layer. How to I "add" Bing to the options? thanks ed On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Anthony G. Balico wrote: > Hi Noli, > > You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak >> java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar > > I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, and its working great you may > give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new > plugin). > > After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu > icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an > error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you > tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps data from the db as well. After > both were download, click "Imagery" from the main menu then choose Bing > Sat. Now you're good to go :) > > > Anthony > > On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: > > How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. > > > > Steps > > 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar > > 2. In terminal (linux) > > > java -jar josm-latest.jar > > 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) > > > > What is next to do? > > > > 4.File -> New New Layer? > > 5. > > 6. > > 7, > > > > Any short tutorial? > > > > I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to > > tracing maps. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Noli > > > > > > > > On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: > > > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and > > > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. > > > > > > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active > > > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am > > > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to > > > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a > > > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people > > > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? > > > > > > Some suggestions: > > > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery > > > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? > > > > > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery > > > is now available (via OSM messaging). > > > > > > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as > highway=road). > > > > > > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it > > > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 > > > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" > > > town) :) . > > > > > > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm > > > groups within these imagery covered areas. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
I updated the wiki for the date of imagery using the site in this blog: http://oegeo.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/bing-aerial-photos-for-openstreetmap-great-but-are-they-recent/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/High-resolution_imagery#Bing_Imagery On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Anthony G. Balico wrote: > You're welcome Noli, happy to help. > > Hurry with the experiments and there's a looot of things to do :) > > > On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 23:24 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: >> Hi Anthony, >> >> Now I got it. >> >> I will do experimental editing and tracing. >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> Regards, Noli >> >> >> On 12/4/10, Anthony G. Balico wrote: >> > Hi Noli, >> > >> > You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak >> > > java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar >> > >> > I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, and its working great you may >> > give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new >> > plugin). >> > >> > After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu >> > icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an >> > error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you >> > tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps data from the db as well. After >> > both were download, click "Imagery" from the main menu then choose Bing >> > Sat. Now you're good to go :) >> > >> > >> > Anthony >> > >> > On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: >> >> How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. >> >> >> >> Steps >> >> 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar >> >> 2. In terminal (linux) >> >> > java -jar josm-latest.jar >> >> 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) >> >> >> >> What is next to do? >> >> >> >> 4.File -> New New Layer? >> >> 5. >> >> 6. >> >> 7, >> >> >> >> Any short tutorial? >> >> >> >> I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to >> >> tracing maps. >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Noli >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: >> >> > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and >> >> > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. >> >> > >> >> > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active >> >> > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am >> >> > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to >> >> > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a >> >> > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people >> >> > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? >> >> > >> >> > Some suggestions: >> >> > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: >> >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery >> >> > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: >> >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? >> >> >> >> > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery >> >> > is now available (via OSM messaging). >> >> > >> >> > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as >> >> > highway=road). >> >> > >> >> > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it >> >> > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 >> >> > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" >> >> > town) :) . >> >> > >> >> > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm >> >> > groups within these imagery covered areas. >> >> > >> >> > Any ideas? >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> talk-ph mailing list >> >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > >> > >> > > > > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
You're welcome Noli, happy to help. Hurry with the experiments and there's a looot of things to do :) On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 23:24 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > Now I got it. > > I will do experimental editing and tracing. > > Thanks a lot. > > Regards, Noli > > > On 12/4/10, Anthony G. Balico wrote: > > Hi Noli, > > > > You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak > > > java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar > > > > I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, and its working great you may > > give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new > > plugin). > > > > After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu > > icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an > > error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you > > tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps data from the db as well. After > > both were download, click "Imagery" from the main menu then choose Bing > > Sat. Now you're good to go :) > > > > > > Anthony > > > > On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: > >> How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. > >> > >> Steps > >> 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar > >> 2. In terminal (linux) > >> > java -jar josm-latest.jar > >> 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) > >> > >> What is next to do? > >> > >> 4.File -> New New Layer? > >> 5. > >> 6. > >> 7, > >> > >> Any short tutorial? > >> > >> I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to > >> tracing maps. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Noli > >> > >> > >> > >> On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: > >> > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and > >> > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. > >> > > >> > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active > >> > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am > >> > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to > >> > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a > >> > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people > >> > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? > >> > > >> > Some suggestions: > >> > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: > >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery > >> > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: > >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? > >> > >> > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery > >> > is now available (via OSM messaging). > >> > > >> > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as > >> > highway=road). > >> > > >> > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it > >> > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 > >> > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" > >> > town) :) . > >> > > >> > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm > >> > groups within these imagery covered areas. > >> > > >> > Any ideas? > >> > >> ___ > >> talk-ph mailing list > >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Hi Anthony, Now I got it. I will do experimental editing and tracing. Thanks a lot. Regards, Noli On 12/4/10, Anthony G. Balico wrote: > Hi Noli, > > You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak > > java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar > > I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, and its working great you may > give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new > plugin). > > After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu > icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an > error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you > tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps data from the db as well. After > both were download, click "Imagery" from the main menu then choose Bing > Sat. Now you're good to go :) > > > Anthony > > On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: >> How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. >> >> Steps >> 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar >> 2. In terminal (linux) >> > java -jar josm-latest.jar >> 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) >> >> What is next to do? >> >> 4.File -> New New Layer? >> 5. >> 6. >> 7, >> >> Any short tutorial? >> >> I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to >> tracing maps. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Noli >> >> >> >> On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: >> > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and >> > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. >> > >> > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active >> > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am >> > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to >> > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a >> > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people >> > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? >> > >> > Some suggestions: >> > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery >> > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? >> >> > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery >> > is now available (via OSM messaging). >> > >> > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as >> > highway=road). >> > >> > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it >> > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 >> > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" >> > town) :) . >> > >> > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm >> > groups within these imagery covered areas. >> > >> > Any ideas? >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Hi Noli, You may want to fire up a bit your josm using this little tweak > java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar I installed the "imagery" plugin instead, and its working great you may give it a try (a josm restart is necessary after installing a new plugin). After that, just simply download map from osm (3rd from left on the menu icons), box your area of interest (not so large otherwise you get an error). By default it will download only osm data but i suggest you tick the "raw gps data" to pull the gps data from the db as well. After both were download, click "Imagery" from the main menu then choose Bing Sat. Now you're good to go :) Anthony On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 22:42 +1100, Noli Sicad wrote: > How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. > > Steps > 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar > 2. In terminal (linux) > > java -jar josm-latest.jar > 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) > > What is next to do? > > 4.File -> New New Layer? > 5. > 6. > 7, > > Any short tutorial? > > I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to > tracing maps. > > Thanks. > > Noli > > > > On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: > > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and > > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. > > > > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active > > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am > > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to > > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a > > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people > > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? > > > > Some suggestions: > > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery > > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? > > > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery > > is now available (via OSM messaging). > > > > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as highway=road). > > > > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it > > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 > > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" > > town) :) . > > > > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm > > groups within these imagery covered areas. > > > > Any ideas? > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
How do I start traces Bing Maps Imagerty (e.g. Iligan) using JOSM. Steps 1. Download the latest josm-latest.jar 2. In terminal (linux) > java -jar josm-latest.jar 3. Install wmsplugin (for Bing Maps) What is next to do? 4.File -> New New Layer? 5. 6. 7, Any short tutorial? I watched the JOSM videos by Steve Coast. It seems not applicable to tracing maps. Thanks. Noli On 12/1/10, maning sambale wrote: > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. > > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? > > Some suggestions: > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery > is now available (via OSM messaging). > > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as highway=road). > > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" > town) :) . > > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm > groups within these imagery covered areas. > > Any ideas? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Hi Anthony, Yes, we are already allowed to trace from Bing. Please do check up if the imagery aligns with GPS tracks and adjust the offset if needed before tracing. On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Anthony Balico wrote: > Are we allowed to trace yet? Am killing time for zambo area > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: >> >> We should also check whether the imagery is aligned correctly. >> >> I looked at Calamba and the imagery seems to be shifted WNW by around >> 5 meters compared to the numerous GPS traces. >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, maning sambale >> wrote: >> > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and >> > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. >> > >> > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active >> > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am >> > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to >> > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a >> > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people >> > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? >> > >> > Some suggestions: >> > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery >> > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? >> > >> > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery >> > is now available (via OSM messaging). >> > >> > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as >> > highway=road). >> > >> > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it >> > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 >> > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" >> > town) :) . >> > >> > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm >> > groups within these imagery covered areas. >> > >> > Any ideas? >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >> > wrote: >> >> By the way, Bing imagery is already available on Potlatch 2, not >> >> Potlatch. You can access Potlatch 2 already at the main OSM website. >> >> Just go to the area where you want to edit, hover over the Edit tab >> >> until a small pop-up appears and click on the Potlatch 2 link. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >> >> wrote: >> >>> Here is more information: >> >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing >> >>> >> >>> And check first if the imagery is really rectified or aligned >> >>> correctly; use GPS traces to confirm: >> >>> http://blog.samat.org/p/Bing-Imagery-Misaligned-at-Lower-Zooms >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >> >>> wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> Here's the terms of use: >> >> http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details >> >> Please read before tracing. :-) >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> talk-ph mailing list >> >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > cheers, >> > maning >> > -- >> > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >> > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> > -- >> > >> > ___ >> > talk-ph mailing list >> > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
Are we allowed to trace yet? Am killing time for zambo area On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > We should also check whether the imagery is aligned correctly. > > I looked at Calamba and the imagery seems to be shifted WNW by around > 5 meters compared to the numerous GPS traces. > > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, maning sambale > wrote: > > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and > > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. > > > > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active > > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am > > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to > > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a > > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people > > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? > > > > Some suggestions: > > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery > > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? > > > > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery > > is now available (via OSM messaging). > > > > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as > highway=road). > > > > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it > > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 > > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" > > town) :) . > > > > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm > > groups within these imagery covered areas. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > >> By the way, Bing imagery is already available on Potlatch 2, not > >> Potlatch. You can access Potlatch 2 already at the main OSM website. > >> Just go to the area where you want to edit, hover over the Edit tab > >> until a small pop-up appears and click on the Potlatch 2 link. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > >>> Here is more information: > >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing > >>> > >>> And check first if the imagery is really rectified or aligned > >>> correctly; use GPS traces to confirm: > >>> http://blog.samat.org/p/Bing-Imagery-Misaligned-at-Lower-Zooms > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: > Hi guys, > > Here's the terms of use: > > http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details > > Please read before tracing. :-) > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > >> > >> ___ > >> talk-ph mailing list > >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > cheers, > > maning > > -- > > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > > -- > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] General strategy to using bing imagery in areas with no active OSMer (was Re: Microsoft Bing Maps Imagerty [sic] Terms of Use)
We should also check whether the imagery is aligned correctly. I looked at Calamba and the imagery seems to be shifted WNW by around 5 meters compared to the numerous GPS traces. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, maning sambale wrote: > I'm posting this to generate insights on how we should maximize and > accelerate data contributions in bing covered areas. > > At the moment there are a lot of bing imagery with minimal active > ph-osmer (perhaps main reason is the lack of imagery). I am > predicting that this will change very soon when other people start to > see that their area of interest has his-res imagery available. As a > community, how do we approach the info dissemination so that people > become aware that there is imagery already in "X" town? > > Some suggestions: > 1. Lets create a coverage list and add them here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery > . Do we have complete coverage sweep: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage#Philippines ? > > 2. Check nearby editors covered by bing and remind them that imagery > is now available (via OSM messaging). > > 3. "Seed" the area by tracing roads (temporarily tagged as highway=road). > > Adding stub roads can give an impression of completeness. Hence, it > can be counter-productive. Personally, I have reservations on point 3 > (but lack the patience to wait for a passionate contributor in "X" > town) :) . > > On the long term, the main strategy would be to encourage local osm > groups within these imagery covered areas. > > Any ideas? > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> By the way, Bing imagery is already available on Potlatch 2, not >> Potlatch. You can access Potlatch 2 already at the main OSM website. >> Just go to the area where you want to edit, hover over the Edit tab >> until a small pop-up appears and click on the Potlatch 2 link. >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >>> Here is more information: >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing >>> >>> And check first if the imagery is really rectified or aligned >>> correctly; use GPS traces to confirm: >>> http://blog.samat.org/p/Bing-Imagery-Misaligned-at-Lower-Zooms >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >>> wrote: Hi guys, Here's the terms of use: http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details Please read before tracing. :-) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >> >> ___ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > -- > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > -- > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
