Re: [Talk-se] Strange ( or wrong?) admin boundaries in Sweden

[Walter Nordmann]

Ignoring them is ok for me, because i think that those AL3-"Boundaries" 
are no *admin* boundaries.


Because Erik wrote: "Ture said really aren't administrative boundaries 
anyway. They are just a convenient and common way to divide in Sweden in 
3 or 4 reasonably large chunks"


And if they aren't admin boundaries,  you (sweden) should not tag them 
as boundary=administrative. If you agree, change it - if not, i don't 
have a probem.


Regard
walter


Am 31.05.2017 um 14:21 schrieb Erik Johansson:

I think you might be thinking of borders in the wrong way though,
there are very few borders that match up like this (in the grand
scheme of governments).



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Re: [Talk-se] Strange ( or wrong?) admin boundaries in Sweden

[Walter Nordmann]

Hi Tomas,

Am 30.05.2017 um 22:59 schrieb Tomas Marklund:

By the way, I think you have created a really cool service!


thank's
To avoid the problem with some /län/ and /kommun/ (=counties) 
belonging to both /Svealand/ and /Sötaland/, you could just skip the 
admin_level = 3 boundaries completely, since they as Ture said really 
aren't administrative boundaries anyway. They are just a convenient 
and common way to divide in Sweden in 3 or 4 reasonably large chunks 
(/Norrland/ is sometime divided into "/northen Norrland/" and 
"/southern Norrland/").
That's what i did with "Pseudo-AL5" in Finland last year. Same 
situation: overlapping "strange" boundaries in OSM, which should not be 
there.
Although i fixed the current problem with a tricky workaround, i'll 
ignore AL3 in Sweden starting from now.


Thank's for the solution.

Regards
walter

btw: Would not it be better to change this in OSM? Change 
boundary=administrative to boundary=region for all AL3 in Sweden?
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Re: [Talk-se] Strange ( or wrong?) admin boundaries in Sweden

[Tomas Marklund]

By the way, I think you have created a really cool service!

To avoid the problem with some *län* and *kommun* (=counties) belonging to
both *Svealand* and *Sötaland*, you could just skip the admin_level = 3
boundaries completely, since they as Ture said really aren't administrative
boundaries anyway. They are just a convenient and common way to divide in
Sweden in 3 or 4 reasonably large chunks (*Norrland* is sometime divided
into "*northen Norrland*" and "*southern Norrland*").

Mostly they are used in weather forecasts... "tomorrow, there will be rain
and +5° C to +10° C in Svealand and southern Norrland".

So, if you just skip them and go directly to admin_level = 4 under Sweden,
the problem with Laxå disappearing is gone :-)

/Tomas

2017-05-30 18:55 GMT+02:00 Walter Nordmann :

> ok, strange but not wrong - thank's for this info.
>
> My "boundaries map" https://wambachers-osm.website/boundaries is having
> problems with this situation, so i'll have to find a workaround (without
> changing anything in OSM). "
> Laxå
> kommun(7)" is missing - on my map, not in OSM. :(
>
> Regards
> walter
>
> Big: https://wambachers-osm.website/images/osm/snaps_2017/Oerebro_laen.png
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Re: [Talk-se] Strange ( or wrong?) admin boundaries in Sweden

[Walter Nordmann]

ok, strange but not wrong - thank's for this info.

My "boundaries map" https://wambachers-osm.website/boundaries is having 
problems with this situation, so i'll have to find a workaround (without 
changing anything in OSM). "Laxå kommun(7)" is missing - on my map, not 
in OSM. :(


Regards
walter

Big: https://wambachers-osm.website/images/osm/snaps_2017/Oerebro_laen.png


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[Talk-se] Strange ( or wrong?) admin boundaries in Sweden

[Walter Nordmann]

Hi,

there is a problem in sweden which i can't fix without your help.

see



Something is strange: the boundaries of Götaland(3) and Svealand(3) do 
not match the AL4-boundaries in that area. Örebro län(4) is overlapping 
Götaland(3) and there are two gaps southeast and southwest of Örebro län.


Don't know what's right or wrong. :(

When i add Laxa kommun(7) it's even looking stranger.



i think, those AL3-Boundaries are not ok - but i can't be shure.

Regards
walter aka wambacher / germany

bigger images: 
https://wambachers-osm.website/images/osm/snaps_2017/Örebro_län.png

and https://wambachers-osm.website/images/osm/snaps_2017/Örebro2_län.png
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