[Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody,

to encourage mapping public transport, Tiziano and I have developed a line 
diagram generator that displays nice diagrams from (sufficiently properly 
mapped) bus routes. A showroom example is
http://78.46.81.38/misc/showroom.svg
generated by the URL

http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-
line?network=APS%20Mobilit%C3%A0ref=22style=paduamax-cors-
below=12correspondences=100
(takes about a minute)

The tool is documented at
http://78.46.81.38/public_transport.html

Cheers,

Roland

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[Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody,

What is the consensus on how to map interchange data? I would like connect two 
(or more) bus stops and/or railway stations to indicate that you can 
preferably change vehicles there (e.g. the bus stop(s) that is/are intended to 
change into a nearby train station). This is often indicated by sharing the 
same name, but not always.

I haven't found anything useful about this neither on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport
and its connected pages nor on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/Public_transport_schema
and I want to know which data model (or models) I hard-code into my software 
and use for the data I map.

I think that membership within a relation public_transport=stop_area fits 
best for this purpose but I'm not sure whether I can interpret all existing 
stop areas in this way. Thus, I would be grateful for any comments.

Cheers,

Roland

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Re: [Talk-transit] RFC on tram stops

2010-02-24 Thread Claudius Henrichs
Hello Roland,

My first reply would be:
public_transport=stop_position/platform
tram=yes

If you want to keep backward compatibility definitely go for 
railway=tram_stop because trams are considered part of the railway network. 
I've never heard about nor seen any actually tagged as highway=tram_stop. I 
only know highway=bus_stop.

Claudius

 
  Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:14:22 +0100
 Von: Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de
 An: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics 
 talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
 Betreff: [Talk-transit] RFC on tram stops
 
 Hello everybody,
 
 What is the consensus on how to map tram stops? I've found 
 highway=tram_stop 
 as well as railway_tram_stop. The wiki page
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trams
 says nothing about that.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Roland
 
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Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-02-24 Thread Melchior Moos
Wow, well done!

2010/2/24 Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de

 Hello everybody,

 to encourage mapping public transport, Tiziano and I have developed a line
 diagram generator that displays nice diagrams from (sufficiently properly
 mapped) bus routes. A showroom example is
 http://78.46.81.38/misc/showroom.svg
 generated by the URL

 http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-
 line?network=APS%20Mobilit%C3%A0ref=22style=paduamax-cors-
 below=12correspondences=100http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-%0Aline?network=APS%20Mobilit%C3%A0ref=22style=paduamax-cors-%0Abelow=12correspondences=100
 (takes about a minute)

 The tool is documented at
 http://78.46.81.38/public_transport.html

 Cheers,

 Roland

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Re: [Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Miller

On 24 Feb 2010, at 17:24, Claudius Henrichs wrote:

 Hello Roland,
 you hit the nail on the head: public_transport:stop_area relations  
 are the way to go. At least I keep mapping stations/stops with  
 interchange possibilities like that. Please do not forget about  
 stop_area_group as well as these relations are used to denote  
 interchanging possibilites between nearby stop_areas :)

Here is a proposed scheme for interchanges that a few of us developed  
from Oxomoa's page with the main difference being that it is in the  
public wiki space so that other people can work on it (Oxoma's scheme  
remains in his private space where etiquette says ut should not be  
edited by others)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Stop_Area

Should we put this one to a vote and work up something that we can  
agree on that is on the proper wiki?

Regards,


Peter



 Claudius
  Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:09:52 +0100
 Von: Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de
 An: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics 
 talk-transit@openstreetmap.org 
 
 Betreff: [Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data


 Hello everybody,

 What is the consensus on how to map interchange data? I would like  
 connect two
 (or more) bus stops and/or railway stations to indicate that you can
 preferably change vehicles there (e.g. the bus stop(s) that is/are  
 intended to
 change into a nearby train station). This is often indicated by  
 sharing the
 same name, but not always.

 I haven't found anything useful about this neither on
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport
 and its connected pages nor on
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/ 
 Public_transport_schema
 and I want to know which data model (or models) I hard-code into my  
 software
 and use for the data I map.

 I think that membership within a relation  
 public_transport=stop_area fits
 best for this purpose but I'm not sure whether I can interpret all  
 existing
 stop areas in this way. Thus, I would be grateful for any comments.

 Cheers,

 Roland

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Re: [Talk-transit] Public Transport Plugin

2010-02-24 Thread David Murn
Hi all,

Slightly off-topic post for this list, but Ive been looking at using
something like this plugin to map bus routes and similar in my area, as
I have an unlocked PNA which is perfectly suited for the purpose.

Unfortunately (afaik) there has never existed a JVM/JRE for pocket
devices such as pretty much any GPS on the market today.

In order to use these packages to plot bus routes, is my only option to
carry a laptop around, or do these plugins and tools exist for PNAs?

David

On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 17:32 +0100, Roland Olbricht wrote:
 Hello everybody,
 
 the Public Transport Plugin for JOSM has been updated and has now a 
 comprehensive documentation at
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/public_transport
 
 Any comment welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Roland
 
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