[Talk-transit] Proposal "hail and ride" with status voting
Hey there, I would like to let you know about a proposal called "hail and ride" that is currently in voting stage. This proposal is not mine, but I found it by accident and thought it is worth thinking about.Short description from the proposal page: "This proposal adds the indication of hail and ride sections of public transport routes." You can find the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hail_and_ride. Voting started on April 10 and will continue until at least April 24, 2018.See you, 30303020 - FreeMail powered by mail.de - MEHR SICHERHEIT, SERIOSITÄT UND KOMFORT ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for simplification of mapping public transport
On 11 April 2018 at 19:38, Roland Hieber wrote: > However, a main reason why the Public Transport schema was adopted [1] > was exactly this differentiation between stop position on the route and > platform position/waiting area for the passengers. This was done to > increase the expressiveness of OpenStreeMap data, and to make > information more easier obtainable for routing software. After all, the > two things are at different positions, and you cannot generally infer > the one from the other. Reverting to the old schema would therefore > take away that expressiveness. > > [1]: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport#Goal_of_this_public_transport_proposal If the waiting area is mapped as a node, it can be projected on the road or rail, thus making a separate stop position node on the road or rail unnecessary. However, I think it is not very straightforward that this node is proposed to be tagged public_transport=platform and a possible physical platform highway=platform. In my opinion, tagging the waiting area node only highway=bus_stop or railway=tram_stop would be much less confusing. Besides these tags are self-explanatory. (And, as you wrote, these tags will probably remain needed for rendering purposes for a long time to come. Why double tagging then?) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for simplification of mapping public transport
A few years ago it was meant as a way to comply with the PT v2 scheme. For me a nice side effect is/was that JOSM assigns a platform role automatically when adding them to route and stop_area relations. But it wouldn't be hard to reprogram it to do that for simply highway=bus_stop/railway=tram_stop. Dropping the public_transport tags on stops is covered by Ilya's proposal though. I'm somewhat indifferent to whether we do or don't drop those tags. My proposal is mostly about not adding 2 objects to the route relations for each stop and to keep all the stop's details together on that one object that is added to the route relations, preferably a node. Polyglot 2018-04-13 19:48 GMT+02:00 Selfish Seahorse : > On 11 April 2018 at 19:38, Roland Hieber wrote: > > However, a main reason why the Public Transport schema was adopted [1] > > was exactly this differentiation between stop position on the route and > > platform position/waiting area for the passengers. This was done to > > increase the expressiveness of OpenStreeMap data, and to make > > information more easier obtainable for routing software. After all, the > > two things are at different positions, and you cannot generally infer > > the one from the other. Reverting to the old schema would therefore > > take away that expressiveness. > > > > [1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ > Public_Transport#Goal_of_this_public_transport_proposal > > If the waiting area is mapped as a node, it can be projected on the > road or rail, thus making a separate stop position node on the road or > rail unnecessary. > > However, I think it is not very straightforward that this node is > proposed to be tagged public_transport=platform and a possible > physical platform highway=platform. In my opinion, tagging the waiting > area node only highway=bus_stop or railway=tram_stop would be much > less confusing. Besides these tags are self-explanatory. (And, as you > wrote, these tags will probably remain needed for rendering purposes > for a long time to come. Why double tagging then?) > > ___ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
