[Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
In southern Illinois - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.777&lon=-88.689&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF - user bhj867 has added a number of new highways, most notably the motorways at Murphysboro, Carbondale, Marion, and Harrisburg, and the trunk from Eldorado to New Haven. But it appears that these are fake; no such highways have been built. A Google search for "Little Egypt Expressway", the name given to said motorways, gives no results, and neither do more general searches such as Marion Illinois bypass or Eldorado New Haven 141. (Major new highways like these would be covered by the news if nothing else.) None of them show up on Illinois Department of Transportation maps - http://www.dot.state.il.us/maps.html - as existing or proposed. (The small IL 13 trunk bypass of downtown Harrisburg, also added by bhj867, has been built, though I wouldn't trust the interchanges.) On April 28 I contacted bhj867 through OSM with a simple question: does the Little Egypt Expressway have another name, since I can't find anything about it under that name? He hasn't replied or edited since then. Concurrent with the sending of this message I am asking him to respond to the accusations and identify precisely which of his contributions are vandalism. If he does not do so, I would presume there is nothing to do but revert all his edits. If he does, the vandalism needs to be reverted, and there have definitely been changes to some of the existing and new ways since his edits. I will contact these lists if he does respond. I am unable to do this reversion. I am bringing this here because I cannot take care of the cleanup by myself, and any such cleanup that I would be forced to do if nobody helps would be incomplete and probably mess things up further. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On 5/4/10 7:09 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: In southern Illinois - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.777&lon=-88.689&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF - user bhj867 has added a number of new highways, most notably the motorways at Murphysboro, Carbondale, Marion, and Harrisburg, and the trunk from Eldorado to New Haven. But it appears that these are fake; I suggest that you drop markers in http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/ A local mapper may see them ad investigate. and any such cleanup that I would be forced to do if nobody helps would be incomplete and probably mess things up further. i think it's also a really bad idea to see yourself as being "forced" to do anything to the map that might make things worse. if you're not local and can't do a ground survey, then just bring it up and move on. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
Richard Welty wrote: >On 5/4/10 7:09 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> In southern Illinois - >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.777&lon=-88.689&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF >> - user bhj867 has added a number of new highways, most notably the >> motorways at Murphysboro, Carbondale, Marion, and Harrisburg, and the >> trunk from Eldorado to New Haven. But it appears that these are fake; >> >I suggest that you drop markers in http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/ >A local mapper may see them ad investigate. It doesn't need to be investigated; it's definite vandalism. The only thing that needs investigation is which of his edits are not. >> and any such cleanup that I >> would be forced to do if nobody helps would be incomplete and probably >> mess things up further. >> >i think it's also a really bad idea to see yourself as being "forced" to >do anything >to the map that might make things worse. if you're not local and can't >do a ground >survey, then just bring it up and move on. And if the only local is the vandal? The US is a huge place, and this would amount to an open invitation to vandals (who don't even need to be local; they can just choose an area likely to have no local mappers). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 07:09 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > On April 28 I contacted bhj867 through OSM with a simple question: > does the Little Egypt Expressway have another name, since I can't find > anything about it under that name? Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On 5/4/10 10:40 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 07:09 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> On April 28 I contacted bhj867 through OSM with a simple question: >> does the Little Egypt Expressway have another name, since I can't find >> anything about it under that name? >> > Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. > the date on the change set wouldn't happen to be April 1st, would it? richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
> > > > And if the only local is the vandal? The US is a huge place, and this > would amount to an open invitation to vandals (who don't even need to > be local; they can just choose an area likely to have no local > mappers). > > other places are even larger and entirely empty. vandals can chose from a wide range. this is not US specific if there are no local mappers why bother? If a consumer of the data is interested than it's their call to improve things. and sooner or later local mappers will exist and work on it. > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] plea for bot quality control
Global shared preset suggestions would be a wonderful addition. It will reduce typos and unneeded variations in tags. I would suggest a two fold weighted filter to limit the displayed list. A global or better country or area specific value, and a value for what is used in the open OSM file. The file contents being a higher weight. Anyone working on say hydro will not need motorway tags at the top of the list. Regarding bots, perhaps a separate registration for bot accounts that can have more checks, or a review process. Basically a way to say this is not a human, and add methods to handle it differently on the server or community ends. Ideally I would think the current registration for users plus one for normal user application authors, and a third for bots. Bots being the registration of an automated application or script for a given user. In doing that it would be a lot easier to present more information to the bot user regarding behavior and review. Also setup sample runs against a dev server for review ect. Registering a bot being voluntary means there is not a good way to enforce this though. -- Dale Puch On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> I think it would be a good idea to create a repository of such tagging >> standards where everyone can create new standards to his heart's >> content, and the user of an editor can then select one of the existing >> standards (or create a new one). - That would most likely create a >> situation in which a few popular tagging standards emerge, and a certain >> competition among these will help create something really good in the >> long run without ever having to have something "authoritative". >> >> > I like this idea a lot, Frederik. I imagine something like a presets file > that all editors could parse to display commonly-used key/value pairs. Each > would have a description (optionally i18nized (so that "motorway" would > describe a "highway" in the US and an actual "motorway" in the UK)) and > perhaps could be auto-updated weekly from the planet file. > > That way JOSM and Potlatch could present suggestions that are broader than > just the currently-loaded OSM file (in JOSM's case) and some preset file (in > Potlatch's case). > > Perhaps some simplified editor could only show the top X values for a given > tag (ranked by use in the wild) while a more advanced editor could show a > whole lot more. > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
Richard Welty wrote: > On 5/4/10 10:40 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: >> Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. >> > the date on the change set wouldn't happen to be April 1st, would it? > Apr 13 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4415970 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of
On 5/4/10 10:32 PM, Alex S. wrote: > Richard Welty wrote: > >> On 5/4/10 10:40 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: >> >>> Heh, he also gave it fake TIGER tags! Funny stuff. >>> >>> >> the date on the change set wouldn't happen to be April 1st, would it? >> >> > Apr 13 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4415970 > someone didn't have their joke prepared in a timely manner. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?
Would it be best to collect these ideas on a wiki page? I started this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_website_ideas (feel free to redirect to a better name) I do feel like it might be best for the whole community if we try to re-vamp the current global wiki rather than create our own, but that might be a much bigger/slower process. Maybe this is already happening ? ( I know this exists: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Cleanup) There are plenty of wiki hosting companies out there that provide wiki hosting for free (mostly with ads) or for a fee (maybe covered by OSM - US foundation?), that include tools such as WYSIWYG editor, calendars, templates, unique domain and social tools like friending etc. Mediawiki also has some options for the WYSIWYG: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor Pages that shouldn't be editable could be protected. Might be good to investigate some of those options. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] One-way Wrong-way
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:49, Val Kartchner wrote: > I have fixed this segment. I have also previously fixed on and off > ramps that were the wrong way. Would someone write a 'bot that would go > through the database and see if there are segments that have similar > problems? These should be flagged and put on some list for manual > checking. Actually any one-way streets that make no sense should be > flagged. (Things like a one-way dead-end street.) If you want a tile overlay, http://keepright.ipax.at/ has a check for "dead-ended one-ways", among others. If you want to check your .OSM file, SomeChecks (onewaycheck) is listed in the Quality Assurance category of the wiki. If you'd like to see an example, check out http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?zoom=17&lat=47.64362&lon=-122.29683&layers=B00T&ch=0%2C40&show_ign=1&show_tmpign=1 The Mapnik tiles at Z17 and Z18 still aren't updating for me, so it might be easy to see what I "fixed" about 16 hours ago. If you enable more checks, you'll see that I wasn't using it at the time. :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
