Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
On 5/3/2011 8:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? If it's truly a sidewalk (rather than a sidepath) it should probably be highway=footway, with bicycle=yes (or bicycle=designated?) if bikes are allowed. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: > Sidewalks as separate ways. > > I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some > portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as > a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the > parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved > tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are > multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add > path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? "Approved" is an odd term in OSM. There's no editor support for it, no renderer support for it, etc. I'd suggest that if you have paths, they're not sidewalks, they're paths. And if you have sidewalks along roads, I should bring up my proposal for simple sidewalk tagging back on the tagging list. I already have editor support, and have been talking with the mapnik folks about ways to make renderers support it, as well as routers. The problem with doing sidewalks as separate ways is that unless you use a relation, you lose the road data, and there's no relation which is supported for this. That was never voted on or brought up in the proposal, which is why I thought it was so ill-conceived. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
This probably should belong on tagging, so I've cc'ed it there, also you could add to the talk page. That's a good question, and something I've thought about recently as well. I've really liked the footway=crossing tag, even more so than footway=sidewalk, so I've started using path=crossing as well. This of course opens the possibility of path=sidewalk, cycleway=sidewalk and cycleway=crossing, and who knows what else. I think "sidewalk" might be an unfortunate term, since what we're really talking about is a way/"path" that is associated with a roadway to provide an alternate path of travel for non-motor vehicles, usually pedestrians but could include cyclists as well. After using footway=sidewalk for a while now, I tend to see it as a temporary measure, in other words that once type=street relations are created for every street+sidewalk combination, we'll no longer need the tag. In that sense footway=sidewalk is more of a hint to data consumers and a guide for future contributors to "fix" the situation be creating a relation (perhaps assisted by a semi-automatic tool to generate street+sidewalk pairs). If you take this interpretation of things then path=sidewalk is perfectly fine, in spite of sidewalk being a bit of a misnomer. Regards, -Josh On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: > Sidewalks as separate ways. > > I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some > portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as > a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the > parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved > tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are > multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add > path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_separate_way > -- > PJ Houser > Trimet > GIS intern, 503-962-5711 (office) > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_separate_way -- PJ Houser Trimet GIS intern, 503-962-5711 (office) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
