Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway
I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure out the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local regional national bike route scheme? -Original Message- From: Nathan Edgars II [mailto:nerou...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:05 AM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway On 9/29/2011 11:20 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: Has anyone attempted to start mapping the East Coast Greenway as a cycle route? http://www.greenway.org/ This is a project to create a bicycle route along the east coast from Florida to Maine. I think the goal is to get everything off-road, but currently they have a designated route that follows bicycle friendly roads where trails have not been built. I believe some sections of the route are signed, but most of it is not. I did a portion in Florida: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1225400 A XAPI query also gives portions in Maine, Rhode Island, and Pennsylvania: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1687751 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1326133 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1658400 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway
On Friday, September 30, 2011 07:51:39 AM Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure out the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local regional national bike route scheme? As far as I can tell, there seems to be a rough consensus: Local=multi (2-10ism) county and below Regional= state National= Federal/multistate ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway
On 9/30/2011 7:51 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure out the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local regional national bike route scheme? We do, but I don't know if I'd say that the ECG fits into it. US Bike Route 1 is ncn and the signed Boston to Provincetown route 1 is rcn. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
I'd like to see more discussion and guidance for the US local chapter. So, questions for the community: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? 2) Why should this be done by the local chapter, and not by individual mappers? 3) Why should this be done by the local chapter and not by the OSMF? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway
Is there a place on the wiki where this is spelled out or at least an area of the country I can use as a reference ? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#United_States http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_US_Bike_Route_System For Hiking trails: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States_Long_Distance_Trails -Original Message- From: James Umbanhowar [mailto:jumba...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 8:44 AM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway On Friday, September 30, 2011 07:51:39 AM Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure out the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local regional national bike route scheme? As far as I can tell, there seems to be a rough consensus: Local=multi (2-10ism) county and below Regional= state National= Federal/multistate ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? Come up with a consistent way to tag roads for the country. Somehow get a consensus from current mappers about how tag US/state/county/whatever highways. Update this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging and then remove There is conflicting information on this topic at several places. Specifically, on the Way: ref=??? highway=??? name=??? Add Way to Relation type=route route=road name=??? network=??? state_id=??? ref=??? modifier=??? direction=??? For exit Node: highway=motorway_junction name=??? ref=??? exit_to=??? Once we know how to map what we have, then we can document in the wiki specifically how every numbered road should be documented. 2) Why should this be done by the local chapter, and not by individual mappers? Every individual mapper can have their own idea about how these things should be tagged. As it is right now, mappers look at the conflicting information on the wiki and then make an educated decision, only to have someone come in later and change the tags on the roads, often leaving the map in an inconsistent state. I think there may even already be a committee setup to tackle this very issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Working_Groups/US_Tagging 3) Why should this be done by the local chapter and not by the OSMF? Though there may be some global consistency with road tagging, standards need to be established for each country. Road tagging is often influenced by US states making designations and signing each road accordingly. These signs do not necessarily have an international equivalent. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
I believe that the core tasks of the US Chapter should be 1) to support and help grow the community, and 2) engage with existing and potential professional users to stimulate awareness and adoption. Defining the map itself should not be among them, this is and should always be a community effort, even though it is sometimes a cumbersome process. If you're saying that the Chapter could do something to support reaching a consensus or define the issue more clearly, such as facilitating a working group or a wiki clean-up, I could not agree more. But I don't see the Chapter going in and defining a definitive (is there even such a thing?) tagging scheme for roads. That would have the Chapter claim a mandate that it was never given and would only serve to divide the community rather than strengthening it. Martijn On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? Come up with a consistent way to tag roads for the country. Somehow get a consensus from current mappers about how tag US/state/county/whatever highways. Update this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging and then remove There is conflicting information on this topic at several places. Specifically, on the Way: ref=??? highway=??? name=??? Add Way to Relation type=route route=road name=??? network=??? state_id=??? ref=??? modifier=??? direction=??? For exit Node: highway=motorway_junction name=??? ref=??? exit_to=??? Once we know how to map what we have, then we can document in the wiki specifically how every numbered road should be documented. 2) Why should this be done by the local chapter, and not by individual mappers? Every individual mapper can have their own idea about how these things should be tagged. As it is right now, mappers look at the conflicting information on the wiki and then make an educated decision, only to have someone come in later and change the tags on the roads, often leaving the map in an inconsistent state. I think there may even already be a committee setup to tackle this very issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Working_Groups/US_Tagging 3) Why should this be done by the local chapter and not by the OSMF? Though there may be some global consistency with road tagging, standards need to be established for each country. Road tagging is often influenced by US states making designations and signing each road accordingly. These signs do not necessarily have an international equivalent. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
Yes, OSMF US shouldn't mandate a certain tagging scheme, but they could certainly help to facilitate a consensus among the community. Peter On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I believe that the core tasks of the US Chapter should be 1) to support and help grow the community, and 2) engage with existing and potential professional users to stimulate awareness and adoption. Defining the map itself should not be among them, this is and should always be a community effort, even though it is sometimes a cumbersome process. If you're saying that the Chapter could do something to support reaching a consensus or define the issue more clearly, such as facilitating a working group or a wiki clean-up, I could not agree more. But I don't see the Chapter going in and defining a definitive (is there even such a thing?) tagging scheme for roads. That would have the Chapter claim a mandate that it was never given and would only serve to divide the community rather than strengthening it. Martijn On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? Come up with a consistent way to tag roads for the country. Somehow get a consensus from current mappers about how tag US/state/county/whatever highways. Update this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging and then remove There is conflicting information on this topic at several places. Specifically, on the Way: ref=??? highway=??? name=??? Add Way to Relation type=route route=road name=??? network=??? state_id=??? ref=??? modifier=??? direction=??? For exit Node: highway=motorway_junction name=??? ref=??? exit_to=??? Once we know how to map what we have, then we can document in the wiki specifically how every numbered road should be documented. 2) Why should this be done by the local chapter, and not by individual mappers? Every individual mapper can have their own idea about how these things should be tagged. As it is right now, mappers look at the conflicting information on the wiki and then make an educated decision, only to have someone come in later and change the tags on the roads, often leaving the map in an inconsistent state. I think there may even already be a committee setup to tackle this very issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Working_Groups/US_Tagging 3) Why should this be done by the local chapter and not by the OSMF? Though there may be some global consistency with road tagging, standards need to be established for each country. Road tagging is often influenced by US states making designations and signing each road accordingly. These signs do not necessarily have an international equivalent. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
Peter Dobratz wrote: Yes, OSMF US shouldn't mandate a certain tagging scheme, but they could certainly help to facilitate a consensus among the community. I'm definitely of the small government party for what OSMF (and by extension local chapters) should do. But one of the roles of OSMF, as part of its support and encourage mission, is to help cut through blockages that are holding OSM back. I think you could make a case that OSM in the US is being held back by the community's failure to agree on a common tagging scheme for roads (about five years after every other country settled on one, and with no sign of it being resolved any time soon). Ideally this should be done by, as you say, facilitating a consensus, but if that hasn't worked then it may be time to consider something more forceful. But I'm from the Old Country, feel free to ignore me if you have a better plan. :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/What-does-the-community-want-from-a-US-local-chapter-tp6847994p6848697.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
Hi, On 09/30/2011 07:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think you could make a case that OSM in the US is being held back by the community's failure to agree on a common tagging scheme for roads Really? Are there people who say I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? Ideally this should be done by, as you say, facilitating a consensus, Personally I'd think a per-state consensus would already be quite good. Greece and Norway use different tagging schemes - so why would anyone be held back if Texas uses something other than Alaska? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
Personally I'd think a per-state consensus would already be quite good. Greece and Norway use different tagging schemes - so why would anyone be held back if Texas uses something other than Alaska? Simply put, Greece and Norway are different countries. When I drive across the border into California, we still use the same nomenclature for roads. Having 50 committees to decide the naming is another way of saying it will never happen. When I was on the Bike/Ped committee in my town (not this one) the traffic engineers referred to AASHTO for standards. (See transportation.org.) My guess is they have standards for it already. I'd start by finding out if that's true and then put their names into the wiki as the starting point. Asking Portland Metro for help would be a good idea, I will write to them directly in a moment but I am pretty sure they read this list. I know looking at the Brit names in OSM that they don't work here, we are two countries separated by a common language. -- Brian Wilson Corvallis Oregon ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Brian Wilson br...@wildsong.biz wrote: Personally I'd think a per-state consensus would already be quite good. Greece and Norway use different tagging schemes - so why would anyone be held back if Texas uses something other than Alaska? Simply put, Greece and Norway are different countries. When I drive across the border into California, we still use the same nomenclature for roads. Having 50 committees to decide the naming is another way of saying it will never happen. When I was on the Bike/Ped committee in my town (not this one) the traffic engineers referred to AASHTO for standards. (See transportation.org.) My guess is they have standards for it already. I'd start by finding out if that's true and then put their names into the wiki as the starting point. Asking Portland Metro for help would be a good idea, I will write to them directly in a moment but I am pretty sure they read this list. I know looking at the Brit names in OSM that they don't work here, we are two countries separated by a common language. This is an interesting thread, but I don't think we need to have a discussion about tagging consistency on this thread. Consider Advocate for tagging (especially highway) consistency added to the list of things a US chapter should do. Can we think of anything else? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
Brian, just to save you the trouble, the closest there is to a standard is the FHWA Highway Functional Classification System. There's a wiki page [1] and lengthy discussion about its pros and cons on this page if you want to wade through [2]. Definitely would be a new thread if you want to continue that discussion... Brad [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Functional_Classification_System http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Functional_Classification_System [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_roads_tagging On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Brian Wilson br...@wildsong.biz wrote: Personally I'd think a per-state consensus would already be quite good. Greece and Norway use different tagging schemes - so why would anyone be held back if Texas uses something other than Alaska? Simply put, Greece and Norway are different countries. When I drive across the border into California, we still use the same nomenclature for roads. Having 50 committees to decide the naming is another way of saying it will never happen. When I was on the Bike/Ped committee in my town (not this one) the traffic engineers referred to AASHTO for standards. (See transportation.org.) My guess is they have standards for it already. I'd start by finding out if that's true and then put their names into the wiki as the starting point. Asking Portland Metro for help would be a good idea, I will write to them directly in a moment but I am pretty sure they read this list. I know looking at the Brit names in OSM that they don't work here, we are two countries separated by a common language. -- Brian Wilson Corvallis Oregon ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
Hi, On 09/30/2011 08:36 PM, Mike N wrote: Really? Are there people who say I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? It is more like I don't see anyone using the map except for Skobbler, so why should I invest my time? And what are the obstacles to usage? inconsistent tagging. Yes,but are the only meaningful uses of the map really those that depend on cross-state consistent road tagging? I find that hard to believe. And even if it were so - it may be that Greece and Norway are different countries, and they certainly have different authorities responsible for road naming and design, but you can simply grab your car and go from Greece to Norway without even having to show an ID to anybody - and yet nobody in Greece has claimed that inconsistent road tagging within Europe was an obstacle to usage. In the US, there may be minor differences from state to state, but we expect products to work seamlessly everywhere. Maybe I am missing something but I feel that over here we have products that work pretty well, in Greece and in Norway and everywhere in between, and we certainly don't have a unified tagging scheme. I think this is a strawman. There's tons of people who like to claim that OSM cannot be used for something, and then suddenly someone comes along and makes it work. There are those who sit back and wait until someone finally provides the proper preconditions for them to go to work, and there are those who pull up their sleeves and do the work anyway. I think that it is always more important to make things easy for mappers; users - and especially commercial users - should be our second priority, not our first. Because they stand to make a profit from using OSM, they can be expected to invest some time and brain power in finding out how to make OSM usable for them (just as Skobbler did!) whereas we mappers should just do what works well for us. Of course this would require some self-discipline on the part of mappers; nobody must run a bot to impose his personal tagging scheme on the rest of the country. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
Frederik Ramm wrote: Really? Are there people who say I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? I don't think it's all 20,000, no. :) But it's certainly significant and it is - correction, it _should_ be - one of the easiest things to fix. Three reasons: a) The map really, obviously looks wrong and inconsistent. It's one of the first things people notice (e.g. Justin O'Beirne on the late lamented 41latitude blog). Contributing to a sloppy map ostensibly produced by a bunch of blithering incompetents is not an appealing prospect. Of course I know and you know that OSMers aren't blithering incompetents and are in fact lovely, but you've got to get past the first impression. b) Barrier to entry. If you have to read up on 92364 contradictory policies about how roads should be tagged, or if you just can't figure it out, you're not going to proceed with it. I realise I'm preaching to the wrong guy here as you actually _like_ unnecessary barriers to entry but maybe the rest of the list will hear me out. ;) c) Even if you do come along and try your hardest to tag it right... then chances are that some muppet with a bot or a XAPI fetish is going to do an uninformed bulk change of your work in a week's time. That is _really_ disheartening. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/What-does-the-community-want-from-a-US-local-chapter-tp6847994p6849164.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] This is an interesting thread, but I don't think we need to have a discussion about tagging consistency on this thread. Consider Advocate for tagging (especially highway) consistency added to the list of things a US chapter should do. Can we think of anything else? Mental note: tagging is on the mind of some community members. Okay. Got it. ;-) Anything else? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
-Original Message- From: Nathan Edgars II [mailto:nerou...@gmail.com] On 9/30/2011 1:48 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think you could make a case that OSM in the US is being held back by the community's failure to agree on a common tagging scheme for roads (about five years after every other country settled on one, and with no sign of it being resolved any time soon). Add Canada to the list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Highway.2 FRoad.2FCarriageway_Tagging_System From what I've seen when building relations outside of BC, the tagging is fairly consistent across Canada. It's just not documented. I think the difficulties for North American tagging stem from the fact that there is no system of government classifications in some areas that is meaningful for determining what to tag a road as. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Really? Are there people who say I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? I don't think it's all 20,000, no. :) But it's certainly significant and it is - correction, it _should_ be - one of the easiest things to fix. Three reasons: a) The map really, obviously looks wrong and inconsistent. It's one of the first things people notice (e.g. Justin O'Beirne on the late lamented 41latitude blog). Contributing to a sloppy map ostensibly produced by a bunch of blithering incompetents is not an appealing prospect. Of course I know and you know that OSMers aren't blithering incompetents and are in fact lovely, but you've got to get past the first impression. I'm not saying it's the best possible solution, but that could also be addressed by US-specific geography that takes the inconsistencies into account. There seem to be many cases in which there is just not a national standard, such as the ref tag for state routes. I don't see how it would make sense to impose a standard where there isn't any. Inconsistency may just be part of reality here - excuse my limited understanding of the issues at hand though. b) Barrier to entry. If you have to read up on 92364 contradictory policies about how roads should be tagged, or if you just can't figure it out, you're not going to proceed with it. I realise I'm preaching to the wrong guy here as you actually _like_ unnecessary barriers to entry but maybe the rest of the list will hear me out. ;) As a newcomer you would probably find http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Road_Classification which is not all that ambiguous but quite possibly an oversimplification. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging on the other hand -- how do these two pages relate to each other? -- is quite confusing and seems to need a lot of clean-up. The US Chapter could play a role here I believe, but a facilitating one rather than an imposing one. Maybe invite an outside specialist to come up with a proposal? c) Even if you do come along and try your hardest to tag it right... then chances are that some muppet with a bot or a XAPI fetish is going to do an uninformed bulk change of your work in a week's time. That is _really_ disheartening. When that happens -- I don't know if it already has here in the US? -- the situation has already gotten out of hand and there probably needs to be a cool down period with measures like temporary stricter bot detection for the US part of the database. I don't even know if that's possible, but it's a situation we need to consider, apparently. I wonder what possible temporary measures could be for such a cool down period -- technical and non-technical. What if anything can we learn from Wikipedia? Martijn -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/What-does-the-community-want-from-a-US-local-chapter-tp6847994p6849164.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 9/30/2011 2:23 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Really? Are there people who say I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? It is more like I don't see anyone using the map except for Skobbler, so why should I invest my time? My experience is that most long term mappers map to OSM, not to any one downstream OSM consumer (Skobbler, Mapquest, CloudMade). We map because we want to improve OSM. And if the others use our work, great. If not, we're still making the map. And what are the obstacles to usage? inconsistent tagging. My experience is that lack of complete addresses is a larger issue. Ideally this should be done by, as you say, facilitating a consensus, Personally I'd think a per-state consensus would already be quite good. Greece and Norway use different tagging schemes - so why would anyone be held back if Texas uses something other than Alaska? A map data consumer would want to be aware of local state conventions, but it would be a huge saving of effort to read up on a single US tagging convention from the Wiki, then apply it to consume map data. As already demonstrated by the 'shields' discussion, we can begin to approach a unified tagging convention that will cover all states. In the US, there may be minor differences from state to state, but we expect products to work seamlessly everywhere. By the same token, the standard tagging rules should then apply- the international ones. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
If it hasn't been mentioned already, I think you should add help to organize SOTM-US each year (or whatever time interval is appropriate). Tanya On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I'd like to see more discussion and guidance for the US local chapter. So, questions for the community: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? 2) Why should this be done by the local chapter, and not by individual mappers? 3) Why should this be done by the local chapter and not by the OSMF? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On 9/30/2011 7:37 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: What if anything can we learn from Wikipedia? That consensus is very hard to reach :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Account ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Complete Addresseses (Was: What does the community want from a US local chapter?)
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 19:47 -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote: My experience is that lack of complete addresses is a larger issue. I've been thinking of posting about this for a few weeks: I know that it would be better to have all of the delivery points listed on streets, but this takes a lot of time. It is much quicker to fill in address interpolations. Are either of these types of address data actually used anywhere? - Val - ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
