Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 20:05 -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote: > What I still like to use a dedicated GPS for is for georeferencing the > photos I take while out mapping. My camera does not have a built in > GPS and I prefer to use a dedicated camera over my phone camera which > would yield georeferenced images. Actually, it was georeferencing an image with my phone against a benchmark in a cycleway through a swamp that made me realize how far off smartphones are in terms of GPS. The swamp, being mostly water, is of course, level, and without any tree cover or hills for nearly a half mile in any direction, and having been using the GPS for pedestrian navigation all afternoon, made me quite surprised to see the geolocation data for the photo (taken just inches above the benchmark) was off by almost half a mile. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
What I still like to use a dedicated GPS for is for georeferencing the photos I take while out mapping. My camera does not have a built in GPS and I prefer to use a dedicated camera over my phone camera which would yield georeferenced images. And maybe even more importantly, to upload the traces to the OSM server (although I badly need to catch up with that). I think that will always remain useful. Martijn On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: > On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:05:22 -0400, Lars Ahlzen wrote: > >> I completely agree with you, though. The trace from my cellphone is >> horrifically bad compared to that of my GPSMap60, so I still use the >> latter a lot for mapping. > > What phones are you guys using? The TI chips Nokia uses seem to usually > get within about 10 feet or better anywhere where there's a reasonable > view of the sky. That's not to say it's never off, but the outliers are > usually plainly obvious when looking at the track in JOSM. > > When I go out and map new subdivisions, there is often dirt work shown > on the aerial imagery that can be used as a reference, along with the > pictures from the phone taken at 5 second intervals, so I can be pretty > certain it's close at worst. > > I could do better with a better GPS, I'm sure, but for your typical > suburban-style development the phone seems as good as anything that > doesn't involve post-processing. > > If I were trying to map individual structures, it probably wouldn't > be good enough. However, for getting the roads on the map, my N900 > works (or more accurately worked, given my recent output) just fine. > > -Nathan > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30 I've also hacked together some primitive visualizations of the different image files. This, again, is _heavily_ based upon what Lambertus has already done. Most of the credit goes to him. Let me know if you find them useful: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30/kml/kml.html If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB file. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30 I've also hacked together some primitive visualizations of the different image files. This, again, is _heavily_ based upon what Lambertus has already done. Most of the credit goes to him. Let me know if you find them useful: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30/kml/kml.html If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB file. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:05:22 -0400, Lars Ahlzen wrote: I completely agree with you, though. The trace from my cellphone is horrifically bad compared to that of my GPSMap60, so I still use the latter a lot for mapping. What phones are you guys using? The TI chips Nokia uses seem to usually get within about 10 feet or better anywhere where there's a reasonable view of the sky. That's not to say it's never off, but the outliers are usually plainly obvious when looking at the track in JOSM. When I go out and map new subdivisions, there is often dirt work shown on the aerial imagery that can be used as a reference, along with the pictures from the phone taken at 5 second intervals, so I can be pretty certain it's close at worst. I could do better with a better GPS, I'm sure, but for your typical suburban-style development the phone seems as good as anything that doesn't involve post-processing. If I were trying to map individual structures, it probably wouldn't be good enough. However, for getting the roads on the map, my N900 works (or more accurately worked, given my recent output) just fine. -Nathan ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] East Coast Greenway
On 10/1/2011 7:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 10/1/2011 6:22 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Isn't this NCN 1? No. They're pretty close in NH-Maine, but differ in several places (the ECG uses unpaved trails while USBR 1 sticks with paved roads). The bike rendering has (mostly) updated, so you can now see the difference: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.004&lon=-67.279&zoom=11&layers=C&relation=1770874 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30
On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 15:09 +0100, Dave Hansen wrote: > I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a > large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude > swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. > > http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30 Is anybody using the 500MB versions any more? I'm temped to remove them and see if anyone screams. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On 10/02/2011 02:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 10:20 -0400, Lars Ahlzen wrote: On 09/30/2011 10:25 AM, Richard Weait wrote: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? When Cloudmade hosted events, their representatives brought banners, brochures, stickers, loaner GPS units and similar things. I'm not sure GPS units are needed these days (with a smartphone in everyone's pocket), but advertising material - like the tall OSM banners - really make an event look a little more professional. Never overestimate the accuracy of phone GPS. Google Maps does well with positioning because they're using wifi and cell networks as secondary location sources, the GPS alone is usually off by several city blocks. Let me clarify: I'm not sure dedicated GPS units are needed *for mapping parties* these days. The concepts can be taught with pretty basic equipment. Besides, in many areas, what's left to map are details that are better recorded with a notebook than a GPS. I completely agree with you, though. The trace from my cellphone is horrifically bad compared to that of my GPSMap60, so I still use the latter a lot for mapping. - Lars ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Sun, 2011-10-02 at 10:20 -0400, Lars Ahlzen wrote: > On 09/30/2011 10:25 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > > 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? > > When Cloudmade hosted events, their representatives brought banners, > brochures, stickers, loaner GPS units and similar things. I'm not sure > GPS units are needed these days (with a smartphone in everyone's > pocket), but advertising material - like the tall OSM banners - really > make an event look a little more professional. Never overestimate the accuracy of phone GPS. Google Maps does well with positioning because they're using wifi and cell networks as secondary location sources, the GPS alone is usually off by several city blocks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM, wrote: > In article <4e88732c.6050...@ahlzen.com> l...@ahlzen.com writes: > >When Cloudmade hosted events, their representatives brought banners, > > I have one of the cloudmade tall banners in Los Angeles. It will go > in the trash in a week unless someone aranges to pick it up or pay > shipping. (I can't take it when I move.) Who and where are you (your e-mail address doesn't look familiar)? OSM US can pay for shipping to save it from the trash since we're talking about needing one. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
In article <4e88732c.6050...@ahlzen.com> l...@ahlzen.com writes: >When Cloudmade hosted events, their representatives brought banners, I have one of the cloudmade tall banners in Los Angeles. It will go in the trash in a week unless someone aranges to pick it up or pay shipping. (I can't take it when I move.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?
On 09/30/2011 10:25 AM, Richard Weait wrote: 1) What would you like to see the US local chapter do? When Cloudmade hosted events, their representatives brought banners, brochures, stickers, loaner GPS units and similar things. I'm not sure GPS units are needed these days (with a smartphone in everyone's pocket), but advertising material - like the tall OSM banners - really make an event look a little more professional. Maybe the OSMFUS should explain OSM as a project a bit better to newcomers? Especially from a US perspective, where we've been spoiled by online maps and free government geodata for a long time. Finally, having a server and development infrastructure for US-specific projects - such as the US-style slippy map mentioned elsewhere - would probably make OSM more attractive to both mappers and developers in the US. I think some of this is already being worked on (Thea, Ian, ...). When ready, make sure that it's clearly documented on the website how these resources are available to users. - Lars ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2011-09-30
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30 I've also hacked together some primitive visualizations of the different image files. This, again, is _heavily_ based upon what Lambertus has already done. Most of the credit goes to him. Let me know if you find them useful: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2011-09-30/kml/kml.html If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB file. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OSM US Swag
Hi Everyone, I wanted to update y'all about the ETA of swag to chapter members. I had some personal things going on last week and missed the postal pickup i had set up. I have booked a new pickup date for the packages this coming Monday/tomorrow. Members and folks who requested mapping party supplies will receive them been Wednesday and Friday of this week. Sorry for the delay. If you would like a new member kit or to request event swag just sign up for membership and send me an email at theaglit...@gmail.com. Please note we have limited supplies and resources so we can only ship inside the US and supply events of under 100 ppl per event. Best, Thea Aldrich On Saturday, October 1, 2011, wrote: > Send Talk-us mailing list submissions to >talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >talk-us-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-us digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: What does the community want from a US local chapter? > (Nathan Edgars II) > 2. Re: Complete Addresseses (Was: What does the community want > from a US local chapter?) (Val Kartchner) > 3. Re: What does the community want from a US local chapter? > (Frederik Ramm) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:24:53 -0400 > From: Nathan Edgars II > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local >chapter? > Message-ID: <4e8679f5.2010...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 9/30/2011 7:37 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> What if anything can we learn from Wikipedia? > > That consensus is very hard to reach :) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Account > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:27:45 -0600 > From: Val Kartchner > To: OSM Talk US > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Complete Addresseses (Was: What does the >community want from a US local chapter?) > Message-ID: <1317439665.1751.5.camel@penguin> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 19:47 -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> My experience is that lack of complete addresses is a larger issue. > > I've been thinking of posting about this for a few weeks: I know that it > would be better to have all of the delivery points listed on streets, > but this takes a lot of time. It is much quicker to fill in address > interpolations. Are either of these types of address data actually used > anywhere? > > - Val - > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 10:58:55 +0200 > From: Frederik Ramm > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local >chapter? > Message-ID: <4e86d64f.9050...@remote.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 10/01/2011 04:24 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> That consensus is very hard to reach :) >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Account > > Are any of the people mentioned by username on that page involved in OSM > today? > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49?00'09" E008?23'33" > > > > -- > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > End of Talk-us Digest, Vol 47, Issue 2 > ** > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
