Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Toby Murray]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:
> IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the user
> to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users needs to
> be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a pointer.
> Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary.
>
> Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing?
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:
>>
>> Imports which don’t follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked.
>> This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn’t
>> done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and
>> various weird problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which
>> forces them to log on to osm.org and read it.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM
>> To: Paul Norman
>> Cc: Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not
>> using a dedicated account?
>>
>>
>>
>> The guidelines don't point this out & it seems contrary to the spirit of
>> there being no "right" way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree
>> with, but que sera...).
>>
>>
>>
>> Who does the blocking?

I'm not sure if this page is actually linked to from anywhere but all
account blocks and the reasons they were put in place are viewable by
everybody on this page:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks


Toby

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Jeff Meyer]

Paul - thanks for the link! I'll send a separate note to the DWG with my
concerns. - Jeff


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:

> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:47 PM
> *To:* Paul Norman
> *Cc:* impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
>
> ** **
>
> IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the
> user to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users
> needs to be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a
> pointer. Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary. 
>
> ** **
>
> Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing?
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:
>
> Imports which don’t follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked.
> This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn’t
> done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and
> various weird problems.
>
>  
>
> Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which
> forces them to log on to osm.org and read it.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM
> *To:* Paul Norman
> *Cc:* Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
>
>  
>
> Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not
> using a dedicated account?
>
>  
>
> The guidelines don't point this out & it seems contrary to the spirit of
> there being no "right" way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree
> with, but que sera...).
>
>  
>
> Who does the blocking?
>
>  
>
> Thanks, Jeff
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Jeff Meyer
> Global World History Atlas
> www.gwhat.org
> j...@gwhat.org
> 206-676-2347
>
> 
>



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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Paul Norman]

http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group

 

From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:47 PM
To: Paul Norman
Cc: impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

 

IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the user
to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users needs to
be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a pointer.
Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary. 

 

Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing?

 

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:

Imports which don't follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked.
This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn't
done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and
various weird problems.

 

Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which
forces them to log on to osm.org and read it.

 

From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM
To: Paul Norman
Cc: Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

 

Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using
a dedicated account?

 

The guidelines don't point this out & it seems contrary to the spirit of
there being no "right" way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree
with, but que sera...).

 

Who does the blocking?

 

Thanks, Jeff

 





 

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Paul Norman]

CanVec operates with each user using a dedicated account. Using a dedicated
account doesn't mean sharing an account.

 

From: Clifford Snow [mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:37 PM
To: nicholas ingalls
Cc: OpenStreetMap US Talk
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

 

 

 

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:15 PM, nicholas ingalls
 wrote:

In regards to this and previous imports, I have found that this is by no
means the law when it comes to imports. In Canada we have / and still are in
the lengthy process of importing canvec data for the whole country. We do
this in a distributed approach. Each user can upload the data with their own
account. This is MUCH better in many cases as it encourages people to upload
the canvec data in their own area instead of a user sitting hundreds of
miles away uploading with a generic account. It also allows people to be
held responsible (in a good way) for their data. With a generic account
being used by multiple people mistakes are harder to track to the source. By
using individual accounts problems can be more easily tracked. Ie a user is
not fixing validator issues before uploading causing problems. With a single
user account tracking down the specific uploader is near impossible.

 

 

I agree with this approach, using individual user id instead of having to
create a new import id. We have at least two types of imports, manually by
users and bulk done by scripts as well as bots that correct problems. For
manually imports I feel using the existing id should be sufficient. For bulk
imports, which large needs to be defined, a separate id might be useful.  

 

To make it real clear, to me a manual import is cutting and pasting one or
more elements (nodes, ways, polygons and multipolygons.) Bulk imports use
scripts, such as bulk_upload.py. 

 

Where the Mass import is being done manually, I'd go with their plan to use
existing user ids. If the user screws up one import, the others might be
perfect. Would we expect to remove all of their other imports for one error,
or just expect the user to correct the problem? I don't think so. 

 

It might help the community to explain exactly why a new id is necessary and
what harm not using a separate id creates. I know this criteria has been
discussed at length on the discussion list, but I have yet to register any
compelling reasoning. 

-- 

Clifford

 

OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

 

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Jeff Meyer]

IMO, the process by which blocks are placed, who does the asking of the
user to follow the guidelines, and those with authority to block users
needs to be documented and reviewed. If it already is, please provide a
pointer. Strikes me as fairly ominous and potentially arbitrary.

Can anyone point me to any documentation of this internal policing?


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:

> Imports which don’t follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked.
> This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn’t
> done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and
> various weird problems.
>
> ** **
>
> Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which
> forces them to log on to osm.org and read it.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM
> *To:* Paul Norman
> *Cc:* Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start
>
> ** **
>
> Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not
> using a dedicated account?
>
> ** **
>
> The guidelines don't point this out & it seems contrary to the spirit of
> there being no "right" way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree
> with, but que sera...).
>
> ** **
>
> Who does the blocking?
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks, Jeff
>
> ** **
>



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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:15 PM, nicholas ingalls <
nicholas.inga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In regards to this and previous imports, I have found that this is by no
> means the law when it comes to imports. In Canada we have / and still are
> in the lengthy process of importing canvec data for the whole country. We
> do this in a distributed approach. Each user can upload the data with their
> own account. This is MUCH better in many cases as it encourages people to
> upload the canvec data in their own area instead of a user sitting hundreds
> of miles away uploading with a generic account. It also allows people to be
> held responsible (in a good way) for their data. With a generic account
> being used by multiple people mistakes are harder to track to the source.
> By using individual accounts problems can be more easily tracked. Ie a user
> is not fixing validator issues before uploading causing problems. With a
> single user account tracking down the specific uploader is near impossible.
>
>
I agree with this approach, using individual user id instead of having to
create a new import id. We have at least two types of imports, manually by
users and bulk done by scripts as well as bots that correct problems. For
manually imports I feel using the existing id should be sufficient. For
bulk imports, which large needs to be defined, a separate id might be
useful.

To make it real clear, to me a manual import is cutting and pasting one or
more elements (nodes, ways, polygons and multipolygons.) Bulk imports use
scripts, such as bulk_upload.py.

Where the Mass import is being done manually, I'd go with their plan to use
existing user ids. If the user screws up one import, the others might be
perfect. Would we expect to remove all of their other imports for one
error, or just expect the user to correct the problem? I don't think so.

It might help the community to explain exactly why a new id is necessary
and what harm not using a separate id creates. I know this criteria has
been discussed at length on the discussion list, but I have yet to register
any compelling reasoning.
-- 
Clifford

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Paul Norman]

Imports which don't follow the guidelines may be asked to stop or blocked.
This includes imports where the appropriate community consultation wasn't
done, imports with legal problems, imports without a dedicated account, and
various weird problems.

 

Most cases are dealt with via a private message or a 0-hour block which
forces them to log on to osm.org and read it.

 

From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:56 PM
To: Paul Norman
Cc: Jason Remillard; impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap US Talk
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

 

Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not using
a dedicated account?

 

The guidelines don't point this out & it seems contrary to the spirit of
there being no "right" way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree
with, but que sera...).

 

Who does the blocking?

 

Thanks, Jeff

 

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[nicholas ingalls]

In regards to this and previous imports, I have found that this is by no
means the law when it comes to imports. In Canada we have / and still are
in the lengthy process of importing canvec data for the whole country. We
do this in a distributed approach. Each user can upload the data with their
own account. This is MUCH better in many cases as it encourages people to
upload the canvec data in their own area instead of a user sitting hundreds
of miles away uploading with a generic account. It also allows people to be
held responsible (in a good way) for their data. With a generic account
being used by multiple people mistakes are harder to track to the source.
By using individual accounts problems can be more easily tracked. Ie a user
is not fixing validator issues before uploading causing problems. With a
single user account tracking down the specific uploader is near impossible.

Just my two cents.

tl;dr Using individual accounts is better as it promotes uploading data in
ones area.

cheers,
ingalls


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:

> Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not
> using a dedicated account?
>
> The guidelines don't point this out & it seems contrary to the spirit of
> there being no "right" way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree
> with, but que sera...).
>
> Who does the blocking?
>
> Thanks, Jeff
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:
>
>> A couple of initial comments: 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Has some kind of simplify been run on the data? Although most of the
>> buildings are quite good some of the curved ones are overnoded (e.g.
>> http://took.paulnorman.ca/imports/massgis/noded.png)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If your documentation conflicts with the requirements of the import
>> guidelines (
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account)
>> around a dedicated account it may lead to people importing your data
>> getting blocked.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You’ve asked for a check of the reprojection in the data directory but I
>> don’t actually see a data directory anywhere. Could you provide a link?
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:* Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:15 PM
>> *To:* talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hello Everybody,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is
>> copy/paste from the current wiki (
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The
>> external links will work on the wiki.
>>
>>  
>>
>> --
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Dec, 2012 MassGIS  released
>> a high quality data layer for all 
>> buildings
>>  in
>> the entire state of MA. Previously 
>> MassGIS only
>> had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs.
>>
>> The plan is as follows.
>>
>> *Source Data License*
>>
>> All MassGIS  data is in the
>> public domain. See MassGIS  page,
>> and talk-us 
>> archives
>>  for
>> detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that
>> covers the Boston area has already been imported.
>>
>> From the MA Secretary of state Office Frequently Asked 
>> Questions,
>> first question is
>>
>> What records are public?
>>
>> Every document, paper, record, *map*, photograph, etc., as defined by
>> law, that is made or received by a government entity or employee is
>> presumed to be a public record
>>
>> From the MA Secretary of state Duplication 
>> Services,
>> last section.
>>
>> Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are
>> available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state
>> agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the
>> document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials.
>> For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright
>> Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright.
>>
>> *Scripts*
>>
>> A script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town
>> has its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all
>> of the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM.
>> This has been completed, data is 
>> here.
>> jremillard will up

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Jeff Meyer]

Paul - can you elaborate on the point about users being blocked if not
using a dedicated account?

The guidelines don't point this out & it seems contrary to the spirit of
there being no "right" way of doing things in OSM. (Not a policy I agree
with, but que sera...).

Who does the blocking?

Thanks, Jeff


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Paul Norman  wrote:

> A couple of initial comments: 
>
> ** **
>
> Has some kind of simplify been run on the data? Although most of the
> buildings are quite good some of the curved ones are overnoded (e.g.
> http://took.paulnorman.ca/imports/massgis/noded.png)
>
> ** **
>
> If your documentation conflicts with the requirements of the import
> guidelines (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_account)
> around a dedicated account it may lead to people importing your data
> getting blocked.
>
> ** **
>
> You’ve asked for a check of the reprojection in the data directory but I
> don’t actually see a data directory anywhere. Could you provide a link?
>
> 
>
> *From:* Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:15 PM
> *To:* talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start
>
> ** **
>
> Hello Everybody,
>
>  
>
> I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is
> copy/paste from the current wiki (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The
> external links will work on the wiki.
>
>  
>
> --
>
>  
>
> On Dec, 2012 MassGIS  released
> a high quality data layer for all 
> buildings
>  in
> the entire state of MA. Previously 
> MassGIS only
> had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs.
>
> The plan is as follows.
>
> *Source Data License*
>
> All MassGIS  data is in the
> public domain. See MassGIS  page,
> and talk-us 
> archives
>  for
> detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that
> covers the Boston area has already been imported.
>
> From the MA Secretary of state Office Frequently Asked 
> Questions,
> first question is
>
> What records are public?
>
> Every document, paper, record, *map*, photograph, etc., as defined by
> law, that is made or received by a government entity or employee is
> presumed to be a public record
>
> From the MA Secretary of state Duplication 
> Services,
> last section.
>
> Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are
> available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state
> agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the
> document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials.
> For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright
> Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright.
>
> *Scripts*
>
> A script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town
> has its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all
> of the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM.
> This has been completed, data is 
> here.
> jremillard will update these files. The scripts used for the shape to OSM
> conversion are also at the same link as the data.
>
> *Status Tracking*
>
> A google docs 
> spreadsheet
>  will
> be used to track progress on each town. People helping with the import will
> be able to claim a town, mark as town as already building complete, or mark
> it as "skip" for the final automated import because of data problems.
>
> *Who Is Doing This*
>
> So far OSM users ingalls and jremillard are working on the import. We will
> work on getting as much help as possible.
>
> *Getting Help*
>
> Use the MA osm database extract to get a list of users that have added 10
> or more buildings in 2012. We will contact these users and ask if could
> help with the import. Not completed.
>
> *Manual Imports - Step 1*
>
> It is expected that users doing the town by town import will use their *normal
> osm accounts*. The 
> data
>  will
> be download into JOSM, visually inspected, fixing any problems, then
> uploaded.***

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Paul Norman]

A couple of initial comments: 

 

Has some kind of simplify been run on the data? Although most of the
buildings are quite good some of the curved ones are overnoded (e.g.
http://took.paulnorman.ca/imports/massgis/noded.png)

 

If your documentation conflicts with the requirements of the import
guidelines
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Use_a_dedicated_user_a
ccount) around a dedicated account it may lead to people importing your data
getting blocked.

 

You've asked for a check of the reprojection in the data directory but I
don't actually see a data directory anywhere. Could you provide a link?



From: Jason Remillard [mailto:remillard.ja...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:15 PM
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start

 

Hello Everybody,

 

I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is
copy/paste from the current wiki (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The external
links will work on the wiki.

 

--

 

On Dec, 2012   MassGIS released
a high quality data layer for all

buildings in the entire state of MA. Previously
 MassGIS only had buildings for
Boston and its nearby suburbs.

The plan is as follows.

Source Data License

All   MassGIS data is in the
public domain. See   MassGIS
page, and talk-us

archives for detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this
data that covers the Boston area has already been imported.

>From the MA Secretary of state Office
 Frequently Asked
Questions, first question is

What records are public?

Every document, paper, record, map, photograph, etc., as defined by law,
that is made or received by a government entity or employee is presumed to
be a public record

>From the MA Secretary of state
 Duplication Services,
last section.

Records created by Massachusetts government are not copyrighted and are
available for public use. Copyright for materials submitted to state
agencies may be held by the person or organization that created the
document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on such materials.
For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S. Copyright
Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright.

Scripts

A script was written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town has
its own zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all of
the buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM. This
has been completed, data is
 here. jremillard will update these files. The scripts used
for the shape to OSM conversion are also at the same link as the data.

Status Tracking

A google docs
 spreadsheet will be used to track progress on each town.
People helping with the import will be able to claim a town, mark as town as
already building complete, or mark it as "skip" for the final automated
import because of data problems.

Who Is Doing This

So far OSM users ingalls and jremillard are working on the import. We will
work on getting as much help as possible.

Getting Help

Use the MA osm database extract to get a list of users that have added 10 or
more buildings in 2012. We will contact these users and ask if could help
with the import. Not completed.

Manual Imports - Step 1

It is expected that users doing the town by town import will use their
normal osm accounts. The
 data will be download into JOSM, visually inspected,
fixing any problems, then uploaded.

Schema

The OSM files that are in the ZIP file will only be tagged with
building=yes.

The MassGIS building STRUCT_ID will not be included. First, MassGIS made no
attempt at preserving the STRUCT_ID when they updated the data set to
include the entire state. The MassGIS STRUCT_ID, is based on X,Y centroid,
when they updated the building locations, all of the ids changed. Second, No
actual scenario came up in the discussion on why somebody might want to link
the OSM structure back to the MassGIS data. In fact, nobody could come up
with a case where previous imports that did include the original id turned
out to be useful to somebody. Thirdly, if somebody really, really does need
to link the OSM b

[Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start

[Jason Remillard]

Hello Everybody,

I would like to kick off the MassGIS building import. This following is
copy/paste from the current wiki (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MassGIS_Buildings_Import). The external
links will work on the wiki.

--


On Dec, 2012 MassGIS  released
a high quality data layer for all
buildings
 in the entire state of MA. Previously
MassGIS
 only had buildings for Boston and its nearby suburbs.

The plan is as follows.
Source Data LicenseAll MassGIS
 data
is in the public domain. See MassGIS
 page, and talk-us
archives
 for detailed discussion. A previous (incomplete) version of this data that
covers the Boston area has already been imported. From the MA Secretary of
state Office Frequently Asked
Questions,
first question is  What records are public? Every document, paper, record, *
map*, photograph, etc., as defined by law, that is made or received by a
government entity or employee is presumed to be a public record  From the
MA Secretary of state Duplication
Services,
last section.  Records created by Massachusetts government are not
copyrighted and are available for public use. Copyright for materials
submitted to state agencies may be held by the person or organization that
created the document. Patrons are responsible for clearing copyright on
such materials. For more information on copyright law, please see the U.S.
Copyright Office's web page at lcweb.loc.gov/copyright. ScriptsA script was
written to convert MassGIS shp files to OSM file. Each town has its own
zip. Inside of the zip is two OSM files. The first file has all of the
buildings, the second file has only the buildings missing from OSM. This
has been completed, data is
here.
jremillard will update these files. The scripts used for the shape to OSM
conversion are also at the same link as the data. Status TrackingA google
docs 
spreadsheet
 will be used to track progress on each town. People helping with the
import will be able to claim a town, mark as town as already building
complete, or mark it as "skip" for the final automated import because of
data problems. Who Is Doing ThisSo far OSM users ingalls and jremillard are
working on the import. We will work on getting as much help as
possible. Getting
HelpUse the MA osm database extract to get a list of users that have added
10 or more buildings in 2012. We will contact these users and ask if could
help with the import. Not completed. Manual Imports - Step 1It is expected
that users doing the town by town import will use their *normal osm accounts
*. The 
data
 will be download into JOSM, visually inspected, fixing any problems, then
uploaded. SchemaThe OSM files that are in the ZIP file will only be tagged
with building=yes. The MassGIS building STRUCT_ID will not be included.
First, MassGIS made no attempt at preserving the STRUCT_ID when they
updated the data set to include the entire state. The MassGIS STRUCT_ID, is
based on X,Y centroid, when they updated the building locations, all of the
ids changed. Second, No actual scenario came up in the discussion on why
somebody might want to link the OSM structure back to the MassGIS data. In
fact, nobody could come up with a case where previous imports that did
include the original id turned out to be useful to somebody. Thirdly, if
somebody really, really does need to link the OSM building to the MassGIS
source layer, they can always link them them based on the building
centriods of the two sets, and to get even more precision, rolling the
change sets back to the import time and doing a more exact match will
always be possible. Basically, the STRUCT_ID is redundant with the actual
building geometry. Lastly, including the STRUCT_ID is not free. It will be
confusing to future mappers. What to do with the STRUCT_ID, when a building
is moved, deleted, or copied/ pasted? The wiki will not have this tag
documented, it will not be clear what it is for. If even one fix is not
made because of confusion over the STRUCT_ID tag, we will have lowered the
final quality of the map for no apparent benefit. CreditCredit to MassGIS
will be included in all changeset comments. It will read as follows *Building
Structures (2-D, from 2011-2012 Ortho Imagery) - Offic

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour suggestions?

[Paul Norman]

> From: Steve Coast [mailto:st...@asklater.com]
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour suggestions?
> 
> Try to find new audiences, this mailing list is saturated with your
> target market already. So, try google ads or a banner on osm.org. Work
> with existing local groups (e.g. the seattle group had no real heads up
> about at least 2 out of the 3 meetings).

How do the Seattle local group or other local groups engage with the wider
US community?


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Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour suggestions?

[Steve Coast]

Try to find new audiences, this mailing list is saturated with your target 
market already. So, try google ads or a banner on osm.org. Work with existing 
local groups (e.g. the seattle group had no real heads up about at least 2 out 
of the 3 meetings).


On Dec 11, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> Hi all,
> We've done three mappy hours now I think? To me they are great fun and
> useful. That is not to say we can't improve. What are your
> suggestions? I am particularly interested in hearing from folks who
> have participated, but of course anyone is welcome to chime in.
> One thing I was thinking about was giving newcomers a chance to
> introduce themselves and / or ask any questions they have, start the
> mappy hour off with that perhaps.
> Thoughts?
> 
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