Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Paul Johnson]

What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
a gmail account has this.
On Jan 14, 2014 5:26 PM, "Clifford Snow"  wrote:

> Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is
> expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can
> get some corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local
> communities. This is a not so subtle hint for all the corporations that
> make money off OSM!
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Richard Welty]

On 1/15/14 6:03 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
> with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
> a gmail account has this.
>
>
there are a lot of people in OSM who are uncomfortable with having
their information assimilated by the google. there are more than a
few who don't participate in hangouts because of that. i'm not one
of them, but i do have some sympathy with their point of view.

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Kam, Kristen -(p)]

Why can't you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a 
mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?

Kristen

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From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:03 PM
To: Clifford Snow
Cc: Martijn van Exel; OpenStreetMap talk-us list
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups


What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone with 
an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or a gmail 
account has this.
On Jan 14, 2014 5:26 PM, "Clifford Snow" 
mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us>> wrote:
Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is expensive 
for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can get some 
corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local communities. 
This is a not so subtle hint for all the corporations that make money off OSM!

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Paul Norman]

It's important to remember that meetup.com is selling two services in one:
their calendaring and organization software, and listing on their site which
involves publicity with their substantial list of members for which they
have both locations and interests. The first one is easy to reproduce, the
second one is not, and is frankly more important for OSM groups getting
started in an area where they want to find people interested.

 

From: Kam, Kristen -(p) [mailto:krist...@telenav.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:17 PM
To: Paul Johnson; Clifford Snow
Cc: Martijn van Exel; OpenStreetMap talk-us list
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

 

Why can't you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a
mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?

 

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

> However the cost is expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group.


I recommend either crowd funding a meetup group or getting a local company
to sponsor. Like Ian said, at OSM US we've spent quite some cycles on how
we could support local communities US-wide with paying meetup.com fees but
no matter how you turn it you're looking at a non-neglectible
administrative overhead to manage this plus the very real possibility of
paying for meetup groups that have gone inactive. Funding locally is the
most organic and effective approach.

Funding locally is also a great opportunity to create an active trust of
meetup hosts or involve a local company in OSM :-)
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[David Fawcett]

Despite the cost overhead of Meetup, it is definitely worth investigating.
Our local Python group started using meetup last year and it gave us a huge
boost in exposure and has brought in quite a few new people who didn't know
that we existed.  To me, the exposure to the (literally) thousands of
people in your area who might find OSM interesting is very valuable when
you are trying to get a group started.  Maybe there is a local company who
would be willing to help with sponsoring the meetup costs.  Maybe the local
Chamber of Commerce would see the value in it?

David.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
>> However the cost is expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group.
>
>
> I recommend either crowd funding a meetup group or getting a local company
> to sponsor. Like Ian said, at OSM US we've spent quite some cycles on how
> we could support local communities US-wide with paying meetup.com fees
> but no matter how you turn it you're looking at a non-neglectible
> administrative overhead to manage this plus the very real possibility of
> paying for meetup groups that have gone inactive. Funding locally is the
> most organic and effective approach.
>
> Funding locally is also a great opportunity to create an active trust of
> meetup hosts or involve a local company in OSM :-)
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Simon Poole]

Just a couple of observations from the other side of the Atlantic:
- please make it easy to contact your group without having to go through a sign 
up procedure with yet another service. Not everybody is interested in joining 
permamently and making a meetup account mandatory just means you wont get 
casual visitors that might be interesting.
- while by far not the oldest OSM local group the Zurich group just had its 
49th meeting on Monday and up to now we're not outstripped the capabilities of 
the wiki, mailing list and now and then a doodle for special events.

Simon

Ps: background: l was in San Diego for 2 weeks in September and naturally would 
have liked to meet up with a couple of local mappers and /or the Southern 
California group, but see above.

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Kam, Kristen -(p) wrote:

> Why can’t you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a
> mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?
>
>
>

Meetup, as others have said, reaches people you'd never find using other
means. When I joined the Seattle group, we had around 50 members. It's now
over 160. Much of the growth comes from people seeing something that speaks
to them. I think we could attract more mappers by expanding Meetup Groups
 into more cities.  According to the wiki, we have groups in 20+ cities.
How about a goal of having active groups in the 50 largest metropolitan
areas in the country?

I'm not sure how many people have discovered us through Facebook. Maybe
someone else can speak to that. Certainly we need to explore more avenues
to grow membership.

I believe if a corporation were to offer grants to individuals and groups
to start Meetups groups we could overcome some of the problems with just
paying for Meetup groups.


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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Paul Johnson]

Sure!  It's commonly used on the Furry Fandom community (particularly on
the plains) to coordinate furmeets and share convention experiences.  It
ties in nicely to Google Calendar as well, and ergo, Android.
https://plus.google.com/communities/113331563119234748188/events has
examples from that community.  You can create an event by going to the Home
dropdown, click Events, and it's pretty straightforward from there.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
>> with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
>> a gmail account has this.
>
>
> Paul,
> I've never even heard of Google+ events function. Have you ever used it to
> organize an event? Can you tell us more.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Randy Meech]

A corporation might offer a grant for that to OSM US if it wanted to
manage that (especially if tax deductible), but it would be
challenging to offer it to a number of smaller groups.

-Randy

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Kam, Kristen -(p) 
> wrote:
>>
>> Why can’t you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a
>> mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?
>>
>>
>
>
> Meetup, as others have said, reaches people you'd never find using other
> means. When I joined the Seattle group, we had around 50 members. It's now
> over 160. Much of the growth comes from people seeing something that speaks
> to them. I think we could attract more mappers by expanding Meetup Groups
> into more cities.  According to the wiki, we have groups in 20+ cities. How
> about a goal of having active groups in the 50 largest metropolitan areas in
> the country?
>
> I'm not sure how many people have discovered us through Facebook. Maybe
> someone else can speak to that. Certainly we need to explore more avenues to
> grow membership.
>
> I believe if a corporation were to offer grants to individuals and groups to
> start Meetups groups we could overcome some of the problems with just paying
> for Meetup groups.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
> with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
> a gmail account has this.


Paul,
I've never even heard of Google+ events function. Have you ever used it to
organize an event? Can you tell us more.


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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Alex Barth]

Simon's comment makes me realize that the central argument for
meetup.comhasn't been mentioned.
meetup.com covers the bases for core organizing (events + mailing lists)
but most importantly, it provides incredible visibility. Esp. in the US,
people actively browse meetup for stuff they're interested in. Being on
meetup.com means having better chances to attract like minded folks than
organizing through most other channels.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Just a couple of observations from the other side of the Atlantic:
> - please make it easy to contact your group without having to go through a
> sign up procedure with yet another service. Not everybody is interested in
> joining permamently and making a meetup account mandatory just means you
> wont get casual visitors that might be interesting.
> - while by far not the oldest OSM local group the Zurich group just had
> its 49th meeting on Monday and up to now we're not outstripped the
> capabilities of the wiki, mailing list and now and then a doodle for
> special events.
>
> Simon
>
> Ps: background: l was in San Diego for 2 weeks in September and naturally
> would have liked to meet up with a couple of local mappers and /or the
> Southern California group, but see above.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Interesting use of OSM data in Battlefield 4

[Alex Barth]

;-)


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Gregory wrote:

> https://twitter.com/Mapbox/status/395179791680159744
> The blog link is redirecting, maybe they weren't supposed to announce it.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Games#Games_using_OpenStreetMap_data
>
>
>
> On 9 January 2014 06:56, James Mast  wrote:
>
>> I just recently got Battlefield 4 and noticed that in the leaderboards
>> area, that they have a real map so you can add your location to see how
>> others around you are ranked.  To my surprise, they are using OSM data for
>> the map.  I confirmed this by going down to Corridor H (US-48) in West
>> Virginia and it was exactly how I did it in the OSM data on the most
>> recently opened segment of that highway.
>>
>> I just thought that this was interesting and wanted you guys to know
>> about this.
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina State Highways - primary overload

[James Mast]

I have finally heard back from the DWG group on this subject.

They said that they "lack the manpower to actually investigate these edits and 
find out what they "should" be".  However, they said that they can identify 
*every* highway=xxx upgrade that the user did in a time frame and revert them.  
They would need to rely on us here in the talk-us community though to let them 
know if this seems like a sensible thing to do in this case before they do 
anything.

So, do you guys think we should ask them to do a revert on all of the 
highway=xxx upgrade changes the user made in South Carolina (and also where he 
did it in Georgia too)?  We would need to try to lock down the time period that 
he did this in changeset # wise so that there are no problems with the highway 
type revert.  It just sucks that with the new OSM layout, that got rid of the 
page #'s in the URLs for a user's changesets.  That would have made this job a 
tad easier to do allowing just url editing to get to older changesets he did.

Anyways guys, post what you think should be done here so I can get back to the 
DWG on this subject.  (I'm personally all for the reverting of the highway=xxx 
upgrades this user has done only and not a full scale revert of all his 
changesets as he did do some highway cleanup in some changesets while doing the 
'highway=xxx' upgrades.)

-James
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