Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
*Regards,* *Hans* On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub : > >> Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke: >> >>> What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those? >>> >> if we stumble over them, why not >> >> and it sounds for my as if those >> towns are still structures of reality >> > > > yes, another example is this one in Tuscany, It, which is normally > submerged in a lake, but will come to light every 10 years or so when the > lake is dried out for maintenance of the dam: > http://rete.comuni-italiani.it/foto/2009/61975 > > That is awesome! Thanks for sharing Martin! Situations like this: > http://www.gruene-bundestag.de/typo3temp/pics/e6d0cd2a32.jpg > are very different, in that nothing of the original landscape (or > village) remains (this is open pit mining of lignite in Saxony, Germany, or > more precisely a place called "Heuersdorf" close to the mine "Vereinigtes > Schleenhain" pic taken 09-02-2009). Another image here: > http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/17845958 > > The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is > literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply > degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due to the lake. > > cheers, > Martin > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
2014-11-17 15:27 GMT+01:00 tshrub : > Generally if a structure is gone, I would delete it. > yes, but it is mostly difficult to say "it is gone", because most cases aren't that absolute then this. If you search for "Heuersdorf" in osm, you'll only get a hit by "geonames" (SCNR). http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Heuersdorf#map=13/51.1165/12.3976&layers=D But (I think) the data alloyed into OSM's mind. > So may be in *future*, you can see a landscape-animation. That would be > funny. > yes, this is what I am also interested in. Have a look at OHM (open history map), a branch of OSM. Unfortunately, as it stands now, you can't tell if something is added to osm because a) there was an error that got corrected b) something was missing (in OSM) and now got inserted c) the object is new in the real world and OSM caught up. d)... this could be modelled with changeset tags of course, but to make sense it would require a lot of people using these tags and being disciplined in structuring their edits into changesets. cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Can not upload a change set
Thank you, I can once again upload change sets this morning. Last night (about 11 hours ago) I logged into osm.org and revoked all Authorized Applications. Mike On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Mike Henson > wrote: > >> Last night I was editing Stillwater, OK with JOSM and everything was >> working great. I was uploading change sets with out issue. My wife >> pulled me away from the computer for a while. I came back made some >> edits and tried to upload them. JOSM timed out and locked up while >> trying to upload the change. >> > > I am sure about the editor issues but I have a suggestion for JOSM. I > wonder if what you are experiencing is garbage collection of the Java JVM. > Sometimes it helps to return to the JOSM session and be patient. I am > guessing that Java fights to regain some memory to work again. > > One of the things that I have done to protect against the interruptions or > other failure issues is timed backups. Menu > Edit > Preferences > Map > looking grid/Map Settings or the third button down. Click on the File > Backup tab. Click on the "Auto save enable" box and enter the seconds > between saves. I lowered my tolerance to 15 seconds. The laid on power > strip button several times. ;-) > > Regards, > Greg > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
Hi, Am 17.11.2014 14:21, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub mailto:my-email-confirmat...@online.de>>: Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke: What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those? if we stumble over them, why not and it sounds for my as if those towns are still structures of reality yes, another example is this one in Tuscany, It, which is normally submerged in a lake, but will come to light every 10 years or so when the lake is dried out for maintenance of the dam: http://rete.comuni-italiani.it/foto/2009/61975 whow! What a crasy morbid scenery. Situations like this: http://www.gruene-bundestag.de/typo3temp/pics/e6d0cd2a32.jpg are very different, in that nothing of the original landscape (or village) remains (this is open pit mining of lignite in Saxony, Germany, or more precisely a place called "Heuersdorf" close to the mine "Vereinigtes Schleenhain" pic taken 09-02-2009). Another image here: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/17845958 The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due to the lake. as long as it exists. It could be a *barrier* for navigation. And (any kind of) navigation is, where maps are for. May be it emerges on the map every 10 years ;) No. Here you might add an altitude-tag 'below', notice, etc.? Generally if a structure is gone, I would delete it. But (I think) the data alloyed into OSM's mind. So may be in *future*, you can see a landscape-animation. That would be funny. best, t. cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ghost Towns
2014-11-14 21:44 GMT+01:00 tshrub : > Am 14.11.2014 19:15, schrieb Jack Burke: > >> What about submerged ones? Do we bother with those? >> > if we stumble over them, why not > > and it sounds for my as if those > towns are still structures of reality > yes, another example is this one in Tuscany, It, which is normally submerged in a lake, but will come to light every 10 years or so when the lake is dried out for maintenance of the dam: http://rete.comuni-italiani.it/foto/2009/61975 Situations like this: http://www.gruene-bundestag.de/typo3temp/pics/e6d0cd2a32.jpg are very different, in that nothing of the original landscape (or village) remains (this is open pit mining of lignite in Saxony, Germany, or more precisely a place called "Heuersdorf" close to the mine "Vereinigtes Schleenhain" pic taken 09-02-2009). Another image here: http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/17845958 The latter example shouldn't probably be mapped in OSM, as there is literally nothing left now, while the former is still there, it is simply degraded by the water and not visible most of the time due to the lake. cheers, Martin ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
