Re: [Talk-us] Updating tagging of public transport
On Feb 5, 2015 5:30 AM, "Mike N" wrote: > > On 2/4/2015 11:48 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >>> >>> Generally, it is not feasible to use OSM as a dataset backing an >>> official GTFS feed. This is because the probability of the GTFS >>> dataset being uploaded to Google and thereby violating the license >>> if the street centerlines or stops were derived from OSM. >> >> >> >> Google isn't the only consumer of GTFS, and it is possible to provide >> attribution in a GTFS feed. > > > It's mostly a matter of probability of being uploaded to Google: if a transportation authority publishes a trip planner that consumes GTFS, there will be a constant stream of requests to have the capability added to Google Maps. The original implementer should know about OSM licensing issues, but if he leaves, the co-workers who take his place will have no chance of knowing about or remembering license terms. The open GTFS format will end up in Google despite any embedded attribution or notes. In this situation, I'm not sure this isn't difference with significant distinction, since if Tulsa Transit, a government entity, were to clean up their own data to reflect the ground truth they were directly and solely responsible for creating, it would come out to the same result. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Mike N wrote: > On 2/4/2015 11:25 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: >> >> addr:housenumber contains both the number >> and the building letter in the same field. The map is useful because >> you can find the building. How have other people tried to handle these >> situations? > > > I haven't tried in any meaningful way. It's too early to guess how an > address matching utility might work. Until now I have used both > > addr:housenumber=724D > > and > addr:housenumber=724 + addr:unit=D > > depending on whether the address specified by the owner's web site included > the letter. More recently, I've gravitated towards separating the > addr:unit even if the owner specified it as one word, but I'm not sure it's > the most useful. The addr:housenumber doesn't render anyway if the > building has also been tagged as another POI that renders. I've solved this problem by putting the address on the building. If the building also has a POI tag such as amenity=fuel, I move this tag to a new POI node. I place the POI node so that both the addr:housenumber render along with the POI information. Addresses and buildings don't change as much as how busiensses can come and go. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > Including a unit number in the house number is incorrect and potentially > confusing. There are house numbers that have a prefix or suffix as part of > the house number, that's a different thing. It just depends on how the > building is addressed. +1 I'd like to weigh in on rendering of addresses. Currently the housenumber renders on z17 and above. From an aesthetics view, rendering addresses clutters up the map. From a practical view, address information can be helpful, but rendering every unit number doesn't gain much unless it is in an area such as a mobile home park. All you really need is just the housenumber to find the building. I'm all in favor of only rendering only at the highest zoom level and only once for each housenumber, not for every unit number, especially since the unit number doesn't render. Rendering unit numbers in a mobile home park or camping site numbers would aid finding the correct location. What is really important is collecting and entering the data so routers and search engines can find the location. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Mike N wrote: > On 2/4/2015 11:25 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: > >> addr:housenumber contains both the number >> and the building letter in the same field. The map is useful because >> you can find the building. How have other people tried to handle these >> situations? >> > > I haven't tried in any meaningful way. It's too early to guess how an > address matching utility might work. Until now I have used both > > addr:housenumber=724D > > and > addr:housenumber=724 + addr:unit=D > > depending on whether the address specified by the owner's web site > included the letter. More recently, I've gravitated towards separating > the addr:unit even if the owner specified it as one word, but I'm not sure > it's the most useful. The addr:housenumber doesn't render anyway if the > building has also been tagged as another POI that renders. > > Including a unit number in the house number is incorrect and potentially confusing. There are house numbers that have a prefix or suffix as part of the house number, that's a different thing. It just depends on how the building is addressed. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
> > > I punted. When Josm added a preset that included addr:flats, then I > > started using that tag. Right or wrong I figured most of the other > > tags are Euro-English coloured, so to speak, that it did not mater if > > I used addr:flats verses addr:unit. > __ > > addr:flats works if you are talking about flats, but doesn't fit other > scenarios, such as suites in an office building. > > addr:flats is for a range of unit numbers. That's how it's described in the wiki, and you can see that is indeed the main usage if you look at taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=addr%3Aflats ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On February 4, 2015 10:25:02 PM CST, Greg Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Darrell Fuhriman > wrote: > > It seems to be addr:unit, though it’s not widely used. It’s what > I’ve been > > using, though. > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:unit > > > > d. > > On Feb 3, 2015, at 12:28, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > What's the correct tag for unit number, anyway? This is driving me > insane > > since it's making it impossible to complete mapping the caravan site > I live > > I punted. When Josm added a preset that included addr:flats, then I > started using that tag. Right or wrong I figured most of the other > tags are Euro-English coloured, so to speak, that it did not mater if > I used addr:flats verses addr:unit. __ addr:flats works if you are talking about flats, but doesn't fit other scenarios, such as suites in an office building. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Updating tagging of public transport
On 2/4/2015 11:48 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Generally, it is not feasible to use OSM as a dataset backing an official GTFS feed. This is because the probability of the GTFS dataset being uploaded to Google and thereby violating the license if the street centerlines or stops were derived from OSM. Google isn't the only consumer of GTFS, and it is possible to provide attribution in a GTFS feed. It's mostly a matter of probability of being uploaded to Google: if a transportation authority publishes a trip planner that consumes GTFS, there will be a constant stream of requests to have the capability added to Google Maps. The original implementer should know about OSM licensing issues, but if he leaves, the co-workers who take his place will have no chance of knowing about or remembering license terms. The open GTFS format will end up in Google despite any embedded attribution or notes. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
On 2/4/2015 11:25 PM, Greg Morgan wrote: addr:housenumber contains both the number and the building letter in the same field. The map is useful because you can find the building. How have other people tried to handle these situations? I haven't tried in any meaningful way. It's too early to guess how an address matching utility might work. Until now I have used both addr:housenumber=724D and addr:housenumber=724 + addr:unit=D depending on whether the address specified by the owner's web site included the letter. More recently, I've gravitated towards separating the addr:unit even if the owner specified it as one word, but I'm not sure it's the most useful. The addr:housenumber doesn't render anyway if the building has also been tagged as another POI that renders. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
