Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: It's easy and fun to hypothesize about why OSM is crummy in the US, but it's vastly more useful to think of ways to improve it. Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but we still haven't figured out how to apply that to the rest of the country. Tools like MapRoulette and fixme can guide existing mappers to areas that are probably in need of help. Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Any other ideas for how to make the rural US better? Ian, Thanks for suggesting we look at what we can do to improve rural US rather than focus on how bad it appears. One of the goals our Seattle Meetup Group is to build community. We believe that many more mappers are needed. As one of our team says, it's all about mapping what you know. We want people that take an interest in their neighborhood, by watching edits in their area and encourage new mappers. That's seems to be working for us, although slowly, in the city. But it doesn't help much for rural areas. I like the suggestion of State Fairs. Other organizations we might want to look at are the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts and 4F. I've been wanting to hold a meetup in rural Western Washington State. But haven't figured out a good way to get publicity to attract new mappers. Publicity of what OSM is accomplishing would be good. I wonder how we make that happen? Do we have writers in our midst that would like to take on that challenge? If so what story do we want to tell? Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the map. Unless you bumped a wall on the way there or have an acute sense of space with your eyes closed and managed to stab somewhere in the Coruscant-like DFW megaplex (seriously, drive US 75 south into DFW at night and you'll go over a rise near Anna, TX from which DFW appears to roll from where you are all the way to the horizon ahead of you; it's probably geographically larger than several of the smallest states by area, possibly even combined), you probably just pinned the tail to a part of the country that is just as empty now as before Manifest Destiny. Possibly even emptier given The Removal and two waves of urbanization. People map where they know. People know where they are. Where are the people in the US? Well, if you take the top ten most populated metropolitan statistical areas in the US, you account for 97% of the US population, and with the exception of Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, they're all within a day's bicycle ride or less of an ocean (I'm including places as far in as Portland given I've made that ride to the ocean by bicycle before, and I'm not even horribly fit or in great shape). Extend it out to the top 100 metropolitan statistical areas, and you leave a very small fraction of 1% of the US population to account for the remaining 281 metropolitan statistical areas and 536 micropolitan statistical areas. TL;DR, Hitchhiker's Guide validated version: When randomly sampled by township and range, averaged out and rounded to the nearest integer, the population of the US is 0. It's easy and fun to hypothesize about why OSM is crummy in the US, but it's vastly more useful to think of ways to improve it. Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but we still haven't figured out how to apply that to the rest of the country. Tools like MapRoulette and fixme can guide existing mappers to areas that are probably in need of help. Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Any other ideas for how to make the rural US better? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the map. Unless you bumped a wall on the way there or have an acute sense of space with your eyes closed and managed to stab somewhere in the Coruscant-like DFW megaplex (seriously, drive US 75 south into DFW at night and you'll go over a rise near Anna, TX from which DFW appears to roll from where you are all the way to the horizon ahead of you; it's probably geographically larger than several of the smallest states by area, possibly even combined), you probably just pinned the tail to a part of the country that is just as empty now as before Manifest Destiny. Possibly even emptier given The Removal and two waves of urbanization. People map where they know. People know where they are. Where are the people in the US? Well, if you take the top ten most populated metropolitan statistical areas in the US, you account for 97% of the US population, and with the exception of Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, they're all within a day's bicycle ride or less of an ocean (I'm including places as far in as Portland given I've made that ride to the ocean by bicycle before, and I'm not even horribly fit or in great shape). Extend it out to the top 100 metropolitan statistical areas, and you leave a very small fraction of 1% of the US population to account for the remaining 281 metropolitan statistical areas and 536 micropolitan statistical areas. TL;DR, Hitchhiker's Guide validated version: When randomly sampled by township and range, averaged out and rounded to the nearest integer, the population of the US is 0. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: FYI - there's a general discussion on Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality? over on a web forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30121 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Mapillary[1] seems to have tremendous potential there. They've recently introduced automatic traffic sign recognition [2] -- no speed limit signs yet, unfortunately. Harald. [1] http://www.mapillary.com/map [2] http://blog.mapillary.com/update/2015/01/27/traffic-signs.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. . . . For what it is worth, the person starting the thread is a new mapper and may not know about the talk-us mail list. Or any other mail list for that matter. -Tod ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the map. Unless you bumped a wall on the way there or have an acute sense of space with your eyes closed and managed to stab somewhere in the Coruscant-like DFW megaplex (seriously, drive US 75 south into DFW at night and you'll go over a rise near Anna, TX from which DFW appears to roll from where you are all the way to the horizon ahead of you; it's probably geographically larger than several of the smallest states by area, possibly even combined), you probably just pinned the tail to a part of the country that is just as empty now as before Manifest Destiny. Possibly even emptier given The Removal and two waves of urbanization. People map where they know. People know where they are. Where are the people in the US? Well, if you take the top ten most populated metropolitan statistical areas in the US, you account for 97% of the US population, and with the exception of Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, they're all within a day's bicycle ride or less of an ocean (I'm including places as far in as Portland given I've made that ride to the ocean by bicycle before, and I'm not even horribly fit or in great shape). Extend it out to the top 100 metropolitan statistical areas, and you leave a very small fraction of 1% of the US population to account for the remaining 281 metropolitan statistical areas and 536 micropolitan statistical areas. TL;DR, Hitchhiker's Guide validated version: When randomly sampled by township and range, averaged out and rounded to the nearest integer, the population of the US is 0. It's easy and fun to hypothesize about why OSM is crummy in the US, but it's vastly more useful to think of ways to improve it. I don't think I'm speaking in the hypothetical here. Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but we still haven't figured out how to apply that to the rest of the country. Tools like MapRoulette and fixme can guide existing mappers to areas that are probably in need of help. Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? TL;DR for the next two paragraphs: OSM tends to fall somewhere on or between esteem and self-transcendence on Maslow's hierarchy. The rural extreme struggles with the physiological and can't take safety for granted, and it's going to take something on the order of a New Deal that directly benefits with improving access to sanitation, food, water, electricity, and internet to less than 1% of the population that is going dozens of miles for food and water (or collecting both in situ), generating what limited electricity they have access to themselves, and whose trip to the toilet still involves shoes and a shovel, to do much of anything to change this within my lifetime. Given the political climate of the country, I think it goes without saying that this isn't going to happen. Speaking from experience, OSM is a bandwidth intensive project, particularly when working with geography so freaking huge as the US. And for the sake of this conversation, I'm lumping in the likes of Kellyville, Oklahoma, with all of it's 500 acres and 1100 people simply because that's large enough to have electricity, indoor plumbing and store, and some hope of getting anything viable in terms of internet access (even if only through a limited bandwidth library/cafe wifi hotspot) as urban. That's relatively easy to spark the same way as it is in larger places: Just find the like-minded individuals, spark the interest and you'll get crazy detailed maps for their part of the world, and some interesting applications come out of it. I've seen it happen in Portland (where it gripped the imagination of my hometown a bit more tightly than I expected), I'm watching it start to happen again in Tulsa now. Heck, mapping parties might be more natural given this context simply because a cafe or the library might be the only reasonably passable internet connection in town that can fetch a mapping party weekend's worth of data and upload it back again in under half a day (literally). Any other ideas for how to make the rural US better? Start looking for the modern day explorers and get ready to shell out just like last time this country had a cartography problem. I can't really see this as even being something we could buy eleventybillion HITs on Mechanical Turk to solve. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
FYI - there's a general discussion on Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality? over on a web forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30121 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Mapillary[1] seems to have tremendous potential there. They've recently introduced automatic traffic sign recognition [2] -- no speed limit signs yet, unfortunately. Indeed, Mapillary is great. I wonder if there's room to get GoPro+Mapillary to donate a few units to put together a rig that we could ship around to people in the US that could collect data for the US community... ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, Mapillary is great. I wonder if there's room to get GoPro+Mapillary to donate a few units to put together a rig that we could ship around to people in the US that could collect data for the US community... Mapilariy is fun... but collecting more data is not necessarily the avenue to a better map. Instead, consider how many people use the map. Consider how many people garden a particular area of the map. Consider how many people enthusiastically map a given feature (e.g. RV Dump Stations, Dog Parks, Smoking Zones, Bike Repair Stations, Bear Boxes). A pile of automatically imported or collected data is really not all that interesting or complete. I think in the USA the way forward involves finding user communities not served by other maps (e.g. Bear Boxes, above). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
Ian Dees writes: Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but we still haven't figured out how to apply that to the rest of the country. Tools like MapRoulette and fixme can guide existing mappers to areas that are probably in need of help. Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Any other ideas for how to make the rural US better? I agree, I feel this pain of the US is often an OSM desert and I have for many years -- most of the history of this project. Concomitantly, I do what I can to promote wider area contributions to our data (as opposed to more local efforts like Mapping Parties). This includes national bicycle networks, large-scale (statewide and larger) rail improvements, better/newer national forest data, and other, similar wide area campaigns. These are not always deeply successful (though they are frequently), and I and we have learned much along the way: wikis can help, follow Import Guidelines if importing, coordinate with a divide and conquer strategy -- usually state-at-a-time, do everything possible to keep quality high... and I'm sure there are many more. Key is to extend effort towards BOTH local (Mapping Parties...) and wider-area (statewide, regional, federal/national level) improvements. There really is an urban/rural divide in the USA (for purposes of this discussion) and once you fall off the cliff (of urban areas and mappers), we see a steep decline in data and participation. There ARE things which fill in these holes (like long-distance bicycling, state-to-state rail...) in more rural areas, and I believe it is both cool and a neat challenge to do them, and do them well. Especially when we ignite the passions of wider participation via a well-run, well-coordinated project. But often, (and I've gotten a number of +1! comments about this), when there are projects on a shelf that somebody who has a yen to map can just reach up and grab a state's worth of work, we do see the checkerboard effect filling in blank spots. Yes, the USA is big, even huge, BUT: keep that up, (relentlessly, with coordination, over time...) and we'll simply improve our map as we need to. I know I'm saying obvious things here. Elephants are best eaten one fork at a time, and while it can seem overwhelming, we simply must keep chipping away at adding good quality data (as this sub-project, that sub-project...) with growing numbers of dedicated volunteers, over the medium- and longer-term -- ESPECIALLY in rural areas that link us. That's a vital method it will take as we get there. I'm not just cheer-leading, I want to see better coordination of these ideas: efforts by OSM-US to take them to heart and leadership to get more people acting like this. There are dedicated, smart people who WANT to throw more shoulder (or two!) into OSM. Let's offer well-structured projects (for lack of a better word) for them to be a part of. This works, I can say from actual personal experience. It is part of a good future upon which to continue building our map. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Mapillary[1] seems to have tremendous potential there. They've recently introduced automatic traffic sign recognition [2] -- no speed limit signs yet, unfortunately. Could use a bit of work. It appears to be detecting Share the Road signs as Cycleway Slippery When Wet/Icy signs. Ideally, it would be able to properly identify and differentiate the 200-or-so unique but nationally accepted signs in the current edition of the US MUTCD's Standard Highway Signs supplement with a reasonably high degree of accuracy given a clear photo, including the ones that have regional variation baked in to the standard (ETC logo signs for toll lanes, so signs indicating Oklahoma PIKEPASS, Texas TxTAG and the east coast's EZPASS are treated the same, for example, and it's not thrown off by bus stop signs that have the operator's logo on 'em if the sign's otherwise compliant). Extra miles if it can handle signs that are notoriously noncompliant to the national standards, like Park Ride and major city bus stop signs. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
+1 to Bryce's comments about reaching out to existing communities with shared interests who may be using other tools/methods currently. This conversation reminds me a of a presentation I saw on Missouri's recent attempts to survey people about internet access and map broadband coverage, including in rural areas. They had luck with outreach by setting up booths at State and County Fairs - that seemed to be where enough people gathered at once to make the outreach worth the time effort (although they often used pins and paper maps to gather their data given spotty coverage). I wonder if anyone has ever had an OSM State Fair mapping party? Eleanor On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the map. Unless you bumped a wall on the way there or have an acute sense of space with your eyes closed and managed to stab somewhere in the Coruscant-like DFW megaplex (seriously, drive US 75 south into DFW at night and you'll go over a rise near Anna, TX from which DFW appears to roll from where you are all the way to the horizon ahead of you; it's probably geographically larger than several of the smallest states by area, possibly even combined), you probably just pinned the tail to a part of the country that is just as empty now as before Manifest Destiny. Possibly even emptier given The Removal and two waves of urbanization. People map where they know. People know where they are. Where are the people in the US? Well, if you take the top ten most populated metropolitan statistical areas in the US, you account for 97% of the US population, and with the exception of Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, they're all within a day's bicycle ride or less of an ocean (I'm including places as far in as Portland given I've made that ride to the ocean by bicycle before, and I'm not even horribly fit or in great shape). Extend it out to the top 100 metropolitan statistical areas, and you leave a very small fraction of 1% of the US population to account for the remaining 281 metropolitan statistical areas and 536 micropolitan statistical areas. TL;DR, Hitchhiker's Guide validated version: When randomly sampled by township and range, averaged out and rounded to the nearest integer, the population of the US is 0. It's easy and fun to hypothesize about why OSM is crummy in the US, but it's vastly more useful to think of ways to improve it. I don't think I'm speaking in the hypothetical here. Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but we still haven't figured out how to apply that to the rest of the country. Tools like MapRoulette and fixme can guide existing mappers to areas that are probably in need of help. Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? TL;DR for the next two paragraphs: OSM tends to fall somewhere on or between esteem and self-transcendence on Maslow's hierarchy. The rural extreme struggles with the physiological and can't take safety for granted, and it's going to take something on the order of a New Deal that directly benefits with improving access to sanitation, food, water, electricity, and internet to less than 1% of the population that is going dozens of miles for food and water (or collecting both in situ), generating what limited electricity they have access to themselves, and whose trip to the toilet still involves shoes and a shovel, to do much of anything to change this within my lifetime. Given the political climate of the country, I think it goes without saying that this isn't going to happen. Speaking from experience, OSM is a bandwidth intensive project, particularly when working with geography so freaking huge as the US. And for the sake of this conversation, I'm lumping in the likes of Kellyville, Oklahoma, with all of it's 500 acres and 1100 people simply because that's large enough to have electricity, indoor plumbing and store, and some hope of getting anything viable in terms of internet access (even if only through a limited bandwidth library/cafe wifi hotspot) as urban. That's relatively easy to spark the same way as it is in larger places: Just find the like-minded individuals, spark the interest and you'll get crazy detailed maps for their part of the world, and some interesting applications come out of it. I've seen it happen in Portland (where it gripped the imagination of my hometown a bit more tightly than I expected), I'm watching it start to happen again in Tulsa now.
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 2:53:44 PM Paul Johnson Could use a bit of work. It appears to be detecting Share the Road signs as Cycleway Slippery When Wet/Icy signs. Feel free to help make it better: http://www.mapillary.com/map/games/traffic Harald. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
That's a very good question, and could be interesting in a number of ways. Oregon would be easier for a few reasons, namely that the state fair is centralized in one reasonably well connected city with a lot of indoor space with electricity (because it tends to be fairly predictably wet year round), with folks from rural areas traveling great lengths from the desert rangelands and wine regions to get their goods to fair to promote themselves and learn what else is going on in the state. Industry also makes use of this time, you can rest assured every corner of agribusiness has a booth up someplace to show off the latest, largest and greatest tech in ag. OSM could be a game changer if a tech minded farmer could leverage it and contribute. Oklahoma hits the opposite extreme, there's multiple state fairs differing weeks, largely outdoors, and with the exception of the Oklahoma City State Fair and the Tulsa State Fair, in fairly disconnected places. And given that these are predictably held during the hottest time of the year and draw broadly from the public, it's hard to have a thought much more intense than it's hot, I'm hot, and maybe I shouldn't have gone to the cattle show right after having three corndogs and riding the Tilt a Hurl. Thinking at least for this region, the Boat Show or the RV show (which are winter indoor events) are more likely candidates (owing largely to Oklahoma seeming to be a huge draw for RV touring and a number of lakes rivaling Minnesota). Could be interesting to see if it's possible to gamify this a bit with something along the lines of walking papers and/or a scavenger hunt for our state fair system. Or just any of the tourist areas in general, since they tend to be somewhat counterintuitive to navigate, under dense tree cover rendering aerial imagery useless, and have very small permanent population. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Eleanor Tutt eleanor.t...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Bryce's comments about reaching out to existing communities with shared interests who may be using other tools/methods currently. This conversation reminds me a of a presentation I saw on Missouri's recent attempts to survey people about internet access and map broadband coverage, including in rural areas. They had luck with outreach by setting up booths at State and County Fairs - that seemed to be where enough people gathered at once to make the outreach worth the time effort (although they often used pins and paper maps to gather their data given spotty coverage). I wonder if anyone has ever had an OSM State Fair mapping party? Eleanor On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the map. Unless you bumped a wall on the way there or have an acute sense of space with your eyes closed and managed to stab somewhere in the Coruscant-like DFW megaplex (seriously, drive US 75 south into DFW at night and you'll go over a rise near Anna, TX from which DFW appears to roll from where you are all the way to the horizon ahead of you; it's probably geographically larger than several of the smallest states by area, possibly even combined), you probably just pinned the tail to a part of the country that is just as empty now as before Manifest Destiny. Possibly even emptier given The Removal and two waves of urbanization. People map where they know. People know where they are. Where are the people in the US? Well, if you take the top ten most populated metropolitan statistical areas in the US, you account for 97% of the US population, and with the exception of Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, they're all within a day's bicycle ride or less of an ocean (I'm including places as far in as Portland given I've made that ride to the ocean by bicycle before, and I'm not even horribly fit or in great shape). Extend it out to the top 100 metropolitan statistical areas, and you leave a very small fraction of 1% of the US population to account for the remaining 281 metropolitan statistical areas and 536 micropolitan statistical areas. TL;DR, Hitchhiker's Guide validated version: When randomly sampled by township and range, averaged out and rounded to the nearest integer, the population of the US is 0. It's easy and fun to hypothesize about why OSM is crummy in the US, but it's vastly more useful to think of ways to improve it. I don't think I'm speaking in the hypothetical here. Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but we still haven't figured out how to apply that to the rest of the country. Tools like MapRoulette and
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
On 2/17/2015 3:30 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: A pile of automatically imported or collected data is really not all that interesting or complete. I think in the USA the way forward involves finding user communities not served by other maps (e.g. Bear Boxes, above). I've found that after a quorum of parks has the typical level of OSM detail added, they become quite interesting to community recreational planners because no other map: government or Google matches it. But this is only a microscopic slice of users in comparison to consumers of trip routing data. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?
Could we make this a bit more mobile friendly? It'd be a great timesink when I'm on a bus I've already collected as much data as I can flying past everything in the dark on. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 2:53:44 PM Paul Johnson Could use a bit of work. It appears to be detecting Share the Road signs as Cycleway Slippery When Wet/Icy signs. Feel free to help make it better: http://www.mapillary.com/map/games/traffic Harald. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
