Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Mikel Maron]

> Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT 
>tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :) 
Set up multiple projects on the OSMTM, say 1 (or more) per state...
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 


 On Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:59 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
   
 

 
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:


 The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
taken out of rotation.

Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?

Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT 
tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :)
Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM: 
https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
It's using the same data you'll get if you use the "New & Misaligned TIGER 
Roads" layer in iD and JOSM, so all of the map above is actionable.
At Mapbox we're working on focusing better our work better going after the 
higher order road networks first. Happy to share once we have results here. I 
don't have an ETA for this work yet.
Also relevant: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/34290

Alex

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Re: [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Alex Barth]

Y, this would be the most accurate way to put this. Most often actually
neither data is excellent. We have an opportunity here in the US: create
the most spatially accurate and complete dataset available.

On Sunday, March 15, 2015, Clifford Snow  wrote:

>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Alex Barth  > wrote:
>
>> Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:
>>
>> https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
>>
>
> I think the correct phrase is "Here's a map showing where TIGER is
> different than OSM." Just because new TIGER data is available, doesn't make
> it better. In my limited experience with just small parts of two states,
> new TIGER data in rural areas is often bad.
>
> Clifford
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Ian Dees]

As others have mentioned, this map might give false positives where TIGER
data is worse than OSM. It might be better to look at the map of OSM
intersecting TIGER 2007ish and use that to highlight areas where the
geometry hasn't changed since the original import. A roughly similar result
could be found by showing only the geometry from bots + DaveHansenTiger.
On Mar 14, 2015 9:59 PM, "Alex Barth"  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mike Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>>  The editor visits a site which accesses the JOSM remote
>>> control protocol. They fix up the TIGER date and indicate "Yes, I'm
>>> done" or "Needs more work", and after a couple of Yes votes, it gets
>>> taken out of rotation.
>>>
>> Sounds similar to the HOT OSM Tasking Manager?
>>
>
> Yeah, that's just setting up a HOT tasking manager right? Except the HOT
> tasking manager will probably choke on one half hour tasks for all of US :)
>
> Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:
>
> https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
>
> It's using the same data you'll get if you use the "New & Misaligned TIGER
> Roads" layer in iD and JOSM, so all of the map above is actionable.
>
> At Mapbox we're working on focusing better our work better going after the
> higher order road networks first. Happy to share once we have results here.
> I don't have an ETA for this work yet.
>
> Also relevant: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/34290
>
> Alex
>
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[Talk-us] Rail USA: an initial transcontinental super-relation declaration

[stevea]

OSM is having a sort of "golden spike" moment:  in the USA, there is 
now a route=railway super-relation with tags name=Southern Transcon 
and operator=BNSF.  http://www.osm.org/relation/4673773 links Los 
Angeles and Chicago by rail.


This contains eleven component Subdivision relations as members of 
this major Subdivision.  If you know what that means, great.  If you 
don't, that's OK.  Consider Southern Transcon to be an initial 
example of one method by which OSM in the USA defines rail 
infrastructure where a named super-relation containing multiple 
route=railway Subdivision members is defined as "a major mainline 
rail."  Passenger rail routes (e.g. Amtrak routes) might be 
harmonized into route=train relations using components like these as 
basic elements of construction (where it makes sense to do so).  This 
method can be an important element towards proper and completely 
building USA rail in OSM.


This is wet, gloopy finger-paint right now -- there remain gaps and 
track alignment inconsistencies in component Subdivision relations, 
so a wider community is enticed to reply and continue to improve the 
relation members.  A concern is that we might not be combining 
relations with exactly the right tags, or that we conflate rail 
infrastructure via a tagging scheme that is too loose or "ignores 
other realities."  (Such as how rail corporations and/or states 
organize or regulate rail).  Especially if you have knowledge of USA 
rail organization, please examine this super-relation using your best 
OSM judgement, replying here with your comments as to whether or not 
this is a good method forward.  Thank you in advance.


See also 
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States_railways#OSM_Rail_Structure_in_the_USA


If consensus emerges, others might enter a Northern Transcon 
super-relation, continuing to correctly build well-tagged rail 
infrastructure in the USA.


SteveA
California

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Brian May]

On 3/15/2015 8:53 AM, Clifford Snow wrote:


On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Alex Barth > wrote:


Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:

https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360


I think the correct phrase is "Here's a map showing where TIGER is 
different than OSM." Just because new TIGER data is available, doesn't 
make it better. In my limited experience with just small parts of two 
states, new TIGER data in rural areas is often bad.


Clifford


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So the yellow is where tiger 2013 is better? In a few areas I checked 
and had updated OSM, its much worse than OSM. And as Clifford notes, in 
many rural counties, new tiger is no better than old tiger, or its 
marginally better than old tiger. In a few cases, a county has seen a 
decent upgrade in quality with newer tiger, but seems to be a small 
minority of cases where I look which is Florida.


And then there is the issue of areas where OSM has not been edited much 
and the original tiger is mostly the same as the new tiger, so there's 
not much yellow. You can see vast swatchs of this in Alabama, Georgia 
and NW Florida - and it lines up to county lines.


Overall, I think the map is somewhat misleading.

Brian
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[Talk-us] Last day for State of the Map US scholarships!

[Eleanor Tutt]

Hello, friends - today is the last day to apply for State of the Map US
scholarships.

Luckily, the scholarship application is quick & easy - so if you need
financial assistance to make it to New York City in June, you still have
time to fill out an application.  If you help organize your local
OpenStreetMap community, please share this important deadline with your
fellow mappers.  It's not too late!

http://stateofthemap.us/scholarships/

After you apply for a scholarship, I also urge you to submit a talk
proposal - those proposals are due on March 22 and we want to hear your
ideas.

http://stateofthemap.us/talk/

Thanks so much,
Eleanor
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> Here's a map showing where TIGER is better than OSM:
>
> https://api.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/lxbarth.647bc246/page.html?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoibHhiYXJ0aCIsImEiOiJFVXdYcUlvIn0.bbaHTEWlnAwGgyVwJngMdQ#5/39.724/-99.360
>

I think the correct phrase is "Here's a map showing where TIGER is
different than OSM." Just because new TIGER data is available, doesn't make
it better. In my limited experience with just small parts of two states,
new TIGER data in rural areas is often bad.

Clifford


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