Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

[Harald Kliems]

In areas with detached houses, the Android app Keypadmapper has worked
pretty well for me. Once house numbers get too dense (worst case: Montreal,
where each apartment in a duplex or triplex will have it's own house
number) it starts getting tricky assigning the number to the correct
building. And yeah, Mapillary imagery can definitely be useful for address
data.

 Harald.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 5:37 PM Tod Fitch  wrote:

> As to the first: Yes, definitely a great job of mapping address house
> numbers!
>
> As to gathering numbers: I’ve gone through several iterations on
> collecting data. At first I was using a walking papers style method
> complete with people asking me what I was doing and, in one case, calling
> the police. That was too much attention for my liking.
>
> My next iteration was to use OSMtracker with a set of ear buds with
> microphone and simply gathering a voice sample as I walked by a house. This
> actually worked pretty well. I was inconspicuous as people are used to
> phone users talking to themselves. I had two problems with it however:
> First there was sometimes ambient noise that made it difficult to hear the
> number when played back. Second, and far worse, it took longer to enter all
> the data than it took to collect. I’d take a two hour walk in the morning
> and spend the rest of the day entering data. Okay to do occasionally but
> not something to make a career of.
>
> My current method is to use OSMpad and type in the numbers as I walk by.
> Data collection is a little slower and more conspicuous than using
> OSMtracker with a microphone but so far it is inconspicuous enough that I
> don’t attract attention. After all, many people wander the streets
> oblivious to their surroundings while texting. A mapper appearing to do the
> same thing is not remarkable. The big advantage over voice recordings is
> that in JOSM it only takes a couple of minutes to align the address points
> with the satellite imagery, verify street names, add city and upload.
>
> Regarding doing address collection in a car, or for that matter on a
> bicycle, I don’t think it is really feasible to get each number that way
> unless you are driving at walking speed. Think how long it actually takes
> to 1. Press a record button, 2. Wait a second to assure it is recording, 3.
> speak the number or street name. If you are driving at 25 MPH that is 37
> feet/second. In my neighborhood you need to be consistently entering a new
> address every second to second and a half. Try clearly enunciating a 2, 3,
> 4 or even 5 digit house number in 1.5 seconds. Now try doing that
> consistently for hundreds of houses. If you are only interested in house
> number ranges, then collection in a moving vehicle could be feasible. But I
> don’t consider it feasible to get individual numbers for all houses along a
> street that way: Too much typing or speaking in too little time. A solution
> to that would be to be automatically taking geotagged photographs
> continuously the same as the survey vehicles that Google and other employ.
> I suppose the price of that type of thing will drop but for now if you are
> just mapping with a handheld GPS or smart phone walking is the best way I
> know to collect house numbers.
>
> Cheers,
> Tod
>
> On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
>
> Excellent job Steve,
>
>
> I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is
> stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice!
> I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a
> time consuming and difficult task. Walking around a neighborhood with paper
> and pencil peering into people’s letter boxes and at their front doors may
> upset some people, so I’ve though up a (possibly) better way.
>
>
> Two people, in a car. Two GPS units, probably both smartphones, one
> recording the track log and the other recording the passengers voice.
>
> As you drive down the road, the passenger calls out something like…..
>
> 12 left 15right 14 left  16 right….. turning left on main street, 67 left
> etc, etc..
> Then later in an editor you can match times from the two sources and
> compare against Bing imagery to correctly place the house numbers.
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

[Tod Fitch]

As to the first: Yes, definitely a great job of mapping address house numbers!

As to gathering numbers: I’ve gone through several iterations on collecting 
data. At first I was using a walking papers style method complete with people 
asking me what I was doing and, in one case, calling the police. That was too 
much attention for my liking.

My next iteration was to use OSMtracker with a set of ear buds with microphone 
and simply gathering a voice sample as I walked by a house. This actually 
worked pretty well. I was inconspicuous as people are used to phone users 
talking to themselves. I had two problems with it however: First there was 
sometimes ambient noise that made it difficult to hear the number when played 
back. Second, and far worse, it took longer to enter all the data than it took 
to collect. I’d take a two hour walk in the morning and spend the rest of the 
day entering data. Okay to do occasionally but not something to make a career 
of.

My current method is to use OSMpad and type in the numbers as I walk by. Data 
collection is a little slower and more conspicuous than using OSMtracker with a 
microphone but so far it is inconspicuous enough that I don’t attract 
attention. After all, many people wander the streets oblivious to their 
surroundings while texting. A mapper appearing to do the same thing is not 
remarkable. The big advantage over voice recordings is that in JOSM it only 
takes a couple of minutes to align the address points with the satellite 
imagery, verify street names, add city and upload.

Regarding doing address collection in a car, or for that matter on a bicycle, I 
don’t think it is really feasible to get each number that way unless you are 
driving at walking speed. Think how long it actually takes to 1. Press a record 
button, 2. Wait a second to assure it is recording, 3. speak the number or 
street name. If you are driving at 25 MPH that is 37 feet/second. In my 
neighborhood you need to be consistently entering a new address every second to 
second and a half. Try clearly enunciating a 2, 3, 4 or even 5 digit house 
number in 1.5 seconds. Now try doing that consistently for hundreds of houses. 
If you are only interested in house number ranges, then collection in a moving 
vehicle could be feasible. But I don’t consider it feasible to get individual 
numbers for all houses along a street that way: Too much typing or speaking in 
too little time. A solution to that would be to be automatically taking 
geotagged photographs continuously the same as the survey vehicles that Google 
and other employ. I suppose the price of that type of thing will drop but for 
now if you are just mapping with a handheld GPS or smart phone walking is the 
best way I know to collect house numbers.

Cheers,
Tod

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> 
> Excellent job Steve,
> 
>  
> I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is 
> stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice!
> 
> I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a time 
> consuming and difficult task. Walking around a neighborhood with paper and 
> pencil peering into people’s letter boxes and at their front doors may upset 
> some people, so I’ve though up a (possibly) better way.
>  
> Two people, in a car. Two GPS units, probably both smartphones, one recording 
> the track log and the other recording the passengers voice.
> 
> As you drive down the road, the passenger calls out something like…..
> 
> 12 left 15right 14 left  16 right….. turning left on main street, 67 left 
> etc, etc..
> 
> Then later in an editor you can match times from the two sources and compare 
> against Bing imagery to correctly place the house numbers.
> 
> Cheers
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Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

[Nick Hocking]

Excellent job Steve,



I believe that house addresses is the only thing missing from OSM that is
stopping it from becoming the mainstream mapping data of choice!
I’ve always been interested in how to collect addresses, which can be a
time consuming and difficult task. Walking around a neighborhood with paper
and pencil peering into people’s letter boxes and at their front doors may
upset some people, so I’ve though up a (possibly) better way.



Two people, in a car. Two GPS units, probably both smartphones, one
recording the track log and the other recording the passengers voice.

As you drive down the road, the passenger calls out something like…..

12 left 15right 14 left  16 right….. turning left on main street, 67 left
etc, etc..
Then later in an editor you can match times from the two sources and
compare against Bing imagery to correctly place the house numbers.

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

[Hans De Kryger]

It looks awesome steve great job, i love seeing addresses added to osm as
well.​

*Regards,*

*Hans*


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On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Am 11.04.2015 um 16:47 schrieb Steve Friedl :
>
> but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look
> right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong.
>
>
>
>
> don't worry, the current rendering of house numbers is more aiming at the
> mappers (to give an idea of completeness) rather than to look pretty for a
> general map consumer...
>
> cheers
> Martin
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Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Am 11.04.2015 um 16:47 schrieb Steve Friedl :
> 
> but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look 
> right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong.
> 
>  
> 

don't worry, the current rendering of house numbers is more aiming at the 
mappers (to give an idea of completeness) rather than to look pretty for a 
general map consumer...

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Re: [Talk-us] Importing Tesla Superchargers

[Charles Samuels]

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 02:45:45 AM Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Then I suggest posting to the imports@ list before you start, and not
> just to talk-us.
Er, I did post to imports, I cced to talk-us.

> I think you should perhaps drop the "name" tag for these superchargers;
> we don't place name tags on post boxes or phone booths or similar
> amenities either ("British Telecom Phone Booth South Bumfield"). It
> appears to me that what you have put in the "name" tag is not really a
> name but just a description?

Maybe a good idea, but the superchargers actually do have canonical names. For 
example, the supercharger at Harris Ranch is called Harris Ranch as opposed to 
Coalinga (Harris Ranch is a rest-stop restaurant).

Charles

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Re: [Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Steve Friedl  wrote:

> I’ve been adding individualized house numbers to many houses in my
> neighborhood, and I’m just not sure this is how I’m supposed to do it
> because it just looks funky on the map.
>
>
>
> One area with 1 or 2-digit house numbers:
>
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/33.68743/-117.66593&layers=N
>
>
>
> Another area with 5-digit house numbers:
>
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/33.65699/-117.65517&layers=N
>
>
>
> Having the detailed address information in the database has to be useful,
> but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn’t look
> right, so maybe I’m doing something wrong.
>
>
>
> Is this the way it’s supposed to be done?
>

I love seeing addresses being added. Thanks!!!

The house numbers look correct, although it isn't often you see single
digit house numbers. Adding addr:city and addr:postcode would be nice as
well. In JOSM you can select all of the houses to add addr:city and
addr:postcode at one time.

Rendering of house numbers is not pretty but it is what it is. Ideally they
either wouldn't be rendered or only at max zoom level.

Clifford

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[Talk-us] Am I doing this right? Houses w/ addresses

[Steve Friedl]

Hi all,

 

I've been adding individualized house numbers to many houses in my
neighborhood, and I'm just not sure this is how I'm supposed to do it
because it just looks funky on the map.

 

One area with 1 or 2-digit house numbers:

 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/33.68743/-117.66593

&layers=N

 

Another area with 5-digit house numbers:

 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/33.65699/-117.65517

&layers=N

 

Having the detailed address information in the database has to be useful,
but this presentation with numbers scattered all over just doesn't look
right, so maybe I'm doing something wrong.

 

Is this the way it's supposed to be done? 

 

Steve

 

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Re: [Talk-us] Importing Tesla Superchargers

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 04/11/2015 08:28 AM, Charles Samuels wrote:
> I have an implementation of a program to import all worldwide 
> Tesla Superchargers into OSM.

Then I suggest posting to the imports@ list before you start, and not
just to talk-us.

I think you should perhaps drop the "name" tag for these superchargers;
we don't place name tags on post boxes or phone booths or similar
amenities either ("British Telecom Phone Booth South Bumfield"). It
appears to me that what you have put in the "name" tag is not really a
name but just a description?

I googled some Tesla Supercharger images and none of them had a caption
like "The Tesla Supercharger Harris Ranch" - the captions were all like
"The 123rd Tesla Supercharger in South Someplace" which would support my
notion that these things do not have a name really.

Bye
Frederik

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