Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?
Tom Bloom writes: > -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, > delete it. If it's wrong and TIGER, yes delete it. If someone did it by hand, message them. Deleting driveways in urban areas is wrong, unless you are sure (meaning you have walked on the ground) that the map data is incorrect. > -Regarding access=private. If there is a gate, it's private. If it is > a lane to a farmhouse, it may or may not be. There are any number of > reasons. The electric meter reader. FedEx. Someone who is lost. The > vet. I think the private tag should be removed, unless the lane is > posted private. I've never seen one in decades of biking country > roads. Farmers love company. If there is an address issue, it is > normally the mail box at the main road, not at the house. access=yes means that the public has a legal right to use the way. access=private means there is no right for the public to use, but that some people might have permission. For a driveway to someone's house, there is no notion that the public is welcome to use it (for reasons other than visiting the owner). So access=private is correct. If you don't like the pink dots on the standard render, file a ticket with openstreetmap-carto that access=private on driveways shouldn't be noted because it is normal. pgpagMAfreOgO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Missing Roads - The missing manual
Hi all, Thanks first of all for giving the Missing Roads plugin / tool a try. It sounds like folks are mostly having a good time using it. I know I am! Thank you also for all the feedback + ideas I have already received. We will use them to improve the tool and the data. Because I received some feedback that the tools were not completely intuitive to use sometimes, I thought I would write the Missing Manual for the Missing Roads. I just did and it is on my diary: http://bit.ly/missing-roads-manual I hope it's useful! Martijn ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?
On 10/2/2015 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete it. Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting them that don't remotely resemble reality. No data is better than wrong data. You need to differentiate between driveways people have mapped, and unmodified TIGER. Deleting the former is wrong. The latter is different, as in some areas the errors are greater than the distance between driveways, you can't tell what the TIGER data is supposed to be representing, and when correctly mapping, it's easier to delete them and draw new ways than figure out the TIGER ones. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2015-09-30
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-09-30 Map to visualize what each file contains: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-09-30/kml/kml.html FAQ Why did you do this? I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-09-30 Can or should I seed the torrents? Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB file. Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. This might not happen forever, and if you would like your non-US area to get included, let me know. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Tom Bloom wrote: > Summary, sort of. Thanks for all comments! > > There is no consensus, but what I've gleaned is that: I believe you are reading into what was said to prove your point. > > -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, > delete it. Long story short: you are going to delete this guys hard work because you do not like how it is rendered. Longer story long: One of the best things about OSM is the level of detail that can be achieve. One of the best example areas in the US on the top 100K meta tiles http://fred.dev.openstreetmap.org/density/ is in east coast. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yes&bbox=-78.662109375,35.7821707032661,-78.6181640625,35.8178131586966#map=19/35.84268/-78.65369 Look at that beautiful detail!. http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1938107848 There's even detail that's not rendered. What's even more impressive about this area is that much of the map detail was entered in after TIGER. Yes someone entered it by hand. So are you going to delete this area too just because you don't like how it is renedered? If other maps do not include features are you going to delete that too? I do not understand why you'd want to take the map density backwards just because you do not like how it is rendered. > > Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too > many and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads > connecting them that don't remotely resemble reality. No data is better than > wrong data. > > -Change to hwy=service, and service=driveway. I agree. > > -Regarding access=private. If there is a gate, it's private. If it is a lane > to a farmhouse, it may or may not be. There are any number of reasons. The > electric meter reader. FedEx. Someone who is lost. The vet. I think the > private tag should be removed, unless the lane is posted private. I've never > seen one in decades of biking country roads. Farmers love company. If there > is an address issue, it is normally the mail box at the main road, not at > the house. > > -Shared lane. If there is more than one house, the lane should be fixed. > > -Living Streets. This is a distinct entity and not something decided by OSM. > They are decided by local administration, and OSM should tag them only after > that. Paul suggests that there could be townhouses at the end of rural lanes > in rural Oregon. They are farmhouses and the tag is wrong. Tho I do prefer > the wrong green tag to the wrong red tag :-). > > -Don't map for the renderer. Agreed, but it seems reasonable to try to make > the map look good. Mapnik is the face of OSM for most people. Paul again > suggests that I should make my own render. Why? I've spent countless hours > aligning rivers, roads, and rails with Mapnik as the guide. This makes the > map look better and may appeal more to prospective users. So if we follow your logic these features are next on your list: Google doesn't map bridges that means delete Google doesn't map leisure=pitch or sports fields that means delete. Google doesn't map leisure=playground that means delete. Google doesn't map highway=crossing that means delete. On and on it goes... Hence your idea of what should be displayed on osm has major roads and rivers that you have mapped. Like dude! You are part of a community. There are other opinions of what should be in the map database. That's why we don't map for the rendering. Other people take that data and create their versions of the map . They will not be able to do that if you remove all the data based on a formula where you do not see the another map that presents the data or how a certain map looks. Your view may explain what Pascal noted in his research: "Also, the previously discussed pattern which depicts a contributor loss of almost 70% over the years is again visible." http://neis-one.org/2014/08/osm-activity-2014/ Why would any mapper want to contribute hours and hours of time to OSM just to have someone with a wild hair delete all their work because they don't like how it renders? Put the beer down and sober up before you wreck someone else's work! Regards, Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Should driveways be on OSM?
Summary, sort of. Thanks for all comments! There is no consensus, but what I've gleaned is that: -If the driveway is long and wrong, or short and inside an urban area, delete it. Paul and Kevin say I should fix them. Easily said, but there are are too many and there are whole towns needing alignment, and endless roads connecting them that don't remotely resemble reality. No data is better than wrong data. -Change to hwy=service, and service=driveway. I agree. -Regarding access=private. If there is a gate, it's private. If it is a lane to a farmhouse, it may or may not be. There are any number of reasons. The electric meter reader. FedEx. Someone who is lost. The vet. I think the private tag should be removed, unless the lane is posted private. I've never seen one in decades of biking country roads. Farmers love company. If there is an address issue, it is normally the mail box at the main road, not at the house. -Shared lane. If there is more than one house, the lane should be fixed. -Living Streets. This is a distinct entity and not something decided by OSM. They are decided by local administration, and OSM should tag them only after that. Paul suggests that there could be townhouses at the end of rural lanes in rural Oregon. They are farmhouses and the tag is wrong. Tho I do prefer the wrong green tag to the wrong red tag :-). -Don't map for the renderer. Agreed, but it seems reasonable to try to make the map look good. Mapnik is the face of OSM for most people. Paul again suggests that I should make my own render. Why? I've spent countless hours aligning rivers, roads, and rails with Mapnik as the guide. This makes the map look better and may appeal more to prospective users. Kevin says all real roads should be included, if tagged correctly. I agree. So my plan is to change to hwy=service, service=driveway, delete private unless posted, delete living_street where inappropriate, and have a beer. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
