[Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

I was thinking about a good way for the community to get a feed of construction 
updates from state DOTs. Has anyone ever attempted this? A good start should be 
a list of state DOTs (I found 
http://www.dot.state.ak.us/transpo_resources.shtml 
, not sure if it’s 100% 
current). But where to go from there? Every state DOT has its own mechanism / 
format to distribute updates. Do they all have an RSS feed? Or twitter?

At this point I am just curious to hear if anyone else has thought about this 
already and if so what you have come up with so far.

(What triggered this again for me: I heard someone mention that the work on the 
I-96/US-23 interchange in Michigan was complete, but could not find any 
confirmation. See this pretty cool video from MDOT for what they are doing 
there: https://youtu.be/K9wQoIc2cLc?t=75 .) 
The situation on OSM reflects the pre-construction reality —> 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/359765#map=15/42.5227/-83.7526 
)

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Re: [Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Charlotte Wolter]

Martijn,

The Arizona Dept. of Transportation 
(ADOT, www.azdot.gov) has extensive information 
on both proposed and completed projects, 
sometimes with photos. Seems like a good resource.

These could make good Mapoulette challenges.

--C


At 11:20 AM 3/16/2016, you wrote:

Hi all,

I was thinking about a good way for the 
community to get a feed of construction updates 
from state DOTs. Has anyone ever attempted this? 
A good start should be a list of state DOTs (I 
found 
http://www.dot.state.ak.us/transpo_resources.shtml, 
not sure if it's 100% current). But where to go 
from there? Every state DOT has its own 
mechanism / format to distribute updates. Do 
they all have an RSS feed? Or twitter?
At this point I am just curious to hear if 
anyone else has thought about this already and 
if so what you have come up with so far.
(What triggered this again for me: I heard 
someone mention that the work on the I-96/US-23 
interchange in Michigan was complete, but could 
not find any confirmation. See this pretty cool 
video from MDOT for what they are doing there: 
https://Martijnyoutu.be/K9wQoIc2cLc?t=75.) 
The situation on OSM reflects the 
pre-construction reality —> 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/359765#map=15/42.5227/-83.7526)


Martijn
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Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

[Kevin Kenny]

On 03/16/2016 06:50 PM, Mike Thompson wrote:



On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Andy Townsend > wrote:



Another question - if not OSM, what maps do hikers in the area use
now?  Something from the US Forest Service, or something else? 


Answering the question for the US in general:
1) National Geographic Trails Illustrated [1] - Not as detailed as I 
would like, but shows the official trails and is good enough for most 
folks.
2) USGS 7.5 minute topo quad maps (the old ones). Some of the trails 
have changed since these were published, but if you are interested in 
topography for off trail navigation, these are still a great resource.
3) National Parks hand out rather general maps, and for a lot of folks 
this is all they need.
4) There are also a number of websites that show trails that have been 
GPS'ed overlaid on a commercial (unfortunately) map source. e.g. [2]


Mike already gave a very good answer. Since I'm a hiker in the area, 
I'll confirm that Trails Illustrated maps are what I carried on my 
Northville-Lake Placid trip. I didn't like it very much - the 1:75 000 
scale at which it's printed is just too rough. I also had the relevant 
USGS 7.5-minute topo quads and the relevant portions of my OSM-derived 
map on my smartphone. The old topos are no longer available as 
inexpensive paper copies, alas.


When I hike in New York south of the Mohawk, I carry the much 
higher-quality trail maps produced by the New York-New Jersey Trail 
Conference. http://nynjtc.org/files/JohnBoydThacherTrailMap_2008.pdf is 
a representative example (one of a handful that are free of charge).


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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Greg Troxel]

I should point out that I'm not opposed to this import or address
imports in general; generally, I am supportive.  But, I think the doing
an import right is vastly harder than someone who hasn't been through
one thinks, and that it's good to iterate on approach and data quality,
and not rush or have a deadline/planned completion time.

These comments are partly based on the Mass buildings import, which I
think was hugely successful.  The data was spot checked by lots of
people and found to be very good, it was added in a way which avoided
changing any hand-mapped data, it's led to mapping missing subdivisions,
and we've had basically zero reports of problems from it.


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[Talk-us] Early Bird Registration SOTM-US

[Clifford Snow]

Registration to State of the Map US is now open. Tickets are available for
$90 until April 10th, then they will go up to the regular rate of $150.

Head over to http://StateOfTheMap.us and get your early bird ticket.

Interested in speaking at the conference, organizing workshops or a
scholarship to attend? Hold tight, more updates coming soon.

Have a great weekend -

your State of the Map US team
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Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

[Mike Thompson]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:

>
> Another question - if not OSM, what maps do hikers in the area use now?
> Something from the US Forest Service, or something else?

Answering the question for the US in general:
1) National Geographic Trails Illustrated [1] - Not as detailed as I would
like, but shows the official trails and is good enough for most folks.
2) USGS 7.5 minute topo quad maps (the old ones). Some of the trails have
changed since these were published, but if you are interested in topography
for off trail navigation, these are still a great resource.
3) National Parks hand out rather general maps, and for a lot of folks this
is all they need.
4) There are also a number of websites that show trails that have been
GPS'ed overlaid on a commercial (unfortunately) map source. e.g. [2]


[1]
http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/category/maps/travel-and-hiking-maps/trails-illustrated-hiking-and-recreation-maps
[2] http://www.hikingproject.com/
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Re: [Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Nathan Mills]

OKDOT provides updates on Twitter as well as posts weekly (and occasionally 
more often when warranted) "Traffax" PDF updates on their website that has a 
list of all scheduled roadwork and closures on state highways. Back in the 
olden days Traffax was blasted via fax to all the news outlets in the state, 
hence the name.

When I was still in Oklahoma, Traffax was the primary source I used to update 
OSM with road closures, construction zones, and reopenings. (When I didn't have 
direct personal knowledge of such from my travels)

-Nathan

On March 16, 2016 2:20:57 PM EDT, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>Hi all, 
>
>I was thinking about a good way for the community to get a feed of
>construction updates from state DOTs. Has anyone ever attempted this? A
>good start should be a list of state DOTs (I found
>http://www.dot.state.ak.us/transpo_resources.shtml
>, not sure if it’s
>100% current). But where to go from there? Every state DOT has its own
>mechanism / format to distribute updates. Do they all have an RSS feed?
>Or twitter?
>
>At this point I am just curious to hear if anyone else has thought
>about this already and if so what you have come up with so far.
>
>(What triggered this again for me: I heard someone mention that the
>work on the I-96/US-23 interchange in Michigan was complete, but could
>not find any confirmation. See this pretty cool video from MDOT for
>what they are doing there: https://youtu.be/K9wQoIc2cLc?t=75
>.) The situation on OSM reflects the
>pre-construction reality —>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/359765#map=15/42.5227/-83.7526
>)
>
>Martijn
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Martijn van Exel]

Cool. I added simple CSV and JSON files with all the web site of the DOTs for 
the 50 states + DC. I verified all the web site links and they seem good. We 
can take it anywhere from here. 

For example if someone would care to check these web sites for a construction 
RSS feed or a twitter feed, or any other type of structured information 
regarding new road construction, that would be a great start. You can update 
this file directly with new columns: 
https://github.com/osmlab/dot-feed/blob/master/scripts/state_table.csv 
 or 
submit it as a ticket.

Martijn

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:
> 
> A few years ago I started collecting information about how DOTs announce 
> major changes and construction and didn't get very far. In fact, I only found 
> Minnesota's DOT RSS and Newsletter 
> (http://www.dot.state.mn.us/roadwork/current.html 
> ) before getting distracted 
> and mapping.
> 
> I would be happy to rekindle this and made a GitHub project for it here:
> 
> https://github.com/osmlab/dot-feed 
> 
> Feel free to join in and help find this kind of information.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Martijn van Exel  > wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> I was thinking about a good way for the community to get a feed of 
> construction updates from state DOTs. Has anyone ever attempted this? A good 
> start should be a list of state DOTs (I found 
> http://www.dot.state.ak.us/transpo_resources.shtml 
> , not sure if it’s 100% 
> current). But where to go from there? Every state DOT has its own mechanism / 
> format to distribute updates. Do they all have an RSS feed? Or twitter?
> 
> At this point I am just curious to hear if anyone else has thought about this 
> already and if so what you have come up with so far.
> 
> (What triggered this again for me: I heard someone mention that the work on 
> the I-96/US-23 interchange in Michigan was complete, but could not find any 
> confirmation. See this pretty cool video from MDOT for what they are doing 
> there: https://youtu.be/K9wQoIc2cLc?t=75 
> .) The situation on OSM reflects the 
> pre-construction reality —> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/359765#map=15/42.5227/-83.7526 
> )
> 
> Martijn
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Re: [Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Clifford Snow]

I tried to keep track of WSDOT construction on a state hwy in Seattle. The
website did not have an update feed that I could find. I have used the
state and counties sites in the past to help resolve notes.

A proactive approach would be useful.

Clifford

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was thinking about a good way for the community to get a feed of
> construction updates from state DOTs. Has anyone ever attempted this? A
> good start should be a list of state DOTs (I found
> http://www.dot.state.ak.us/transpo_resources.shtml, not sure if it’s 100%
> current). But where to go from there? Every state DOT has its own mechanism
> / format to distribute updates. Do they all have an RSS feed? Or twitter?
>
> At this point I am just curious to hear if anyone else has thought about
> this already and if so what you have come up with so far.
>
> (What triggered this again for me: I heard someone mention that the work
> on the I-96/US-23 interchange in Michigan was complete, but could not find
> any confirmation. See this pretty cool video from MDOT for what they are
> doing there: https://youtu.be/K9wQoIc2cLc?t=75.) The situation on OSM
> reflects the pre-construction reality —>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/359765#map=15/42.5227/-83.7526)
>
> Martijn
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Re: [Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Nathan Mills  wrote:

> OKDOT provides updates on Twitter as well as posts weekly (and
> occasionally more often when warranted) "Traffax" PDF updates on their
> website that has a list of all scheduled roadwork and closures on state
> highways.


Traffax is published daily for metro OKC and Tulsa (which OklaDOT divisions
1, 3, 4 and 8 seem to treat as their own special critters since both cities
are right on the division lines for some odd reason; you can tell where
this happens in Tulsa because Division 1 highways demand a Subaru or better
to handle and Division 8 won't shake apart a rustbucket, with the
transitions being rather abrupt; similar issues happen between 3 and 4,
with 4 being the better funded).


> Back in the olden days Traffax was blasted via fax to all the news outlets
> in the state, hence the name.
>

Now they all just get their road information from a news truck in the field
finding something by accident or paying Total Traffic Network, which
basically just makes shit up as they go along and is oblivious to current
traffic conditions in the city, much less something OklaDOT published.
Irony these stations could just go to OklaDOT's website and see the traffic
for themselves, Zootopia Jr. Detective style, and do a better job.


> When I was still in Oklahoma, Traffax was the primary source I used to
> update OSM with road closures, construction zones, and reopenings. (When I
> didn't have direct personal knowledge of such from my travels)
>

 It's mine, too, though I wish there was someplace I could find the
temporary traffic control documents, since I know they have to exist
somewhere.  It's not like they set up long term temporary visions by ear on
the ground.  I bring this up because Traffax is often too vague.  I've been
trying to work with Division 8 headquarters to give a bit more detail so
OSM-based routers can help warn people dealing with long-term temporary
revisions (like the complete detour of US 169 onto temporary pavement for
most of the distance between Tulsa and Owasso) and the complete teardown
and rebuild of the MLK Expressway betweeen 75 and 169.

Not to say I couldn't use some better info out of the City of Tulsa...holy
crap, at any given moment, there's between 6 and 24 long term construction
projects with long-term temporary revisions.  I've given up mapping those
(mostly, save for the most major routes nearest me that I come across
regularly) because they're just as badly documented, and they tend to snarl
traffic bad enough with so many of them that regular resurveys of these are
somewhere between impractical and impossible.
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[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-03-16

[Dave Hansen]

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-03-16

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-03-16/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2016-03-16

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know. 

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Roman Yepishev]

Hi Greg, all.

I'd like to provide some information on the import I did not share
initially to make my intentions clear (so far I may be seen as dumping
the data into OSM and running away).

TL;DR
=

* I believe in an iterative approach to any project.
* I want to make as many useful things as possible in the limited time
I have. I want a strict deadline to mark the end of my active
involvement and enable others to pick up without creating conflicts.
* I want to improve the routing and location information for me and for
others.
* I have never wanted to introduce buildings with fixme in them into
OSM, I will not import notes.
* I will import data, fix buildings with issues, regenerate the data,
rinse, repeat.
* I will not overwrite the existing building numbers.
* All the scripts I'm using are in public domain.

Long version


My background
-

First of all, I'm a development/operations guy with mostly web service
background, and iterative approach to anything is basically the only
way to do things there. Additionally I took part in a number of
proprietary and open-source projects where the lack of completion
deadlines forced the project to be ready when it is ready. Sometimes
never.

Motivation
--

  As I was walking around Boston using OsmAnd, I would often fail to
locate the venues just because there were no building numbers on the
street I'm supposed to go to. Now, I can still go along the street, but
a number of times I got confused because the block no longer looked
like it used to with the redevelopment going on. The only way is to
bruteforce, expecting that the buildings will be in order. Building
numbers "14 1/2" or "38R" are hard to locate unless you've been there
already.
  As a novice driver I find lack of numbers and details also daunting,
leaving me with no choice but to use Google Maps/Here maps, since I
need to scan building numbers (sometimes located under a rock) as I am
going.

Rushing with a deadline
---

  Again, based on my involvement with various open-source projects, it
is sometimes impossible to get anything vetted unless motivation is
strong and a sense of urgency is introduced. I have to apologize for
that here, as I should have explained it better in my first message.

Importing artifacts
---

  My plan has always been to:

  1. Import unique buildings.
  2. Regenerate a set of .osc, .osn files, post them to wiki for review
(if somebody wants to look at them)
  3. Upload ONLY unique buildings into OSM (no fixmes, no notes, etc.).
  4. Modify the rest of buildings so that they become unique (if
possible, if not - skip them)
  5. Add missing buildings, verify they are unique.
  6. Repeat from 2.

I will add this information to the wiki.

Iterations
--

The import will have to go through multiple iterations. At first I will
import ONLY buildings that are already good to go and require no manual
interaction. The quality of building polygons vary, and it may take
much more time to reach 100% coverage (we may not even be able to reach
it at all due to a changing nature of the cities), but marking 90%
buildings will make locating the missing ones much easier.

As I am trying to use OsmAnd more on my phone I find that presence of a
lot of "height estimated" fixmes in Downtown Boston (you can enable OSM
map helper) makes the map unreadable. Again, the -fixmes.osc files that
you see in the wiki page are just for finding issues with existing
buildings:
 - more than one addresses for a single building.
 - address is already provided, but differs from what the city expects
it to be (e.g. 90 South St, Boston, MA - "Farnsworth House" has to be
#100 according to two city sources, but the sign says #90, so it is #90
in OSM - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29939006 - I am planning to
resurvey the 90-86 building above that.) I don't want to overwrite
other people's hand-entered data, but I want to be able to see where
the conflicts are.

The notes must and will not be imported. They will be periodically
regenerated so that it is possible to see how the OSM updates go
(missing buildings added, existing buildings split).

Tools
-

All the python/SQL scripts I am using to create the datasets are
already available on bitbucket. You can perform the steps mentioned in
README and you will end up with the same results as mine. I am yet to
add the license text there, they are in a public domain.

Please note the scripts originated from two all-nighters and I am
refining them as I go.

Closing statement
-

What I hope to accomplish is to make the routing work better for me,
and as a great side effect, these changes will make OSRM pick the right
buildings (or approximate locations), the search for the building in
Nominatim will yield results instead of finding everything but the
thing I searched for, and I am sure this will benefit the community as
well.

Before involvement with OSM I treated the routing 

Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

[Kevin Kenny]

On 03/15/2016 12:28 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

I have zero knowledge about the Adirondack; I just echoed your own
words: You said that there are "difficulties inherent in getting changes
made by local mappers working independently", and I said if that's the
case then the import is not likely to be useful for a long time as it
will just "echo" third party data.

Brian May in his encouraging message talks about laying "the groundwork
for others to build on" and says "You will also no doubt spark interest
from more active contributors who will notice that there's major quality
improvements in your area and pitch in to help - potentially a lot."

There is a bit of miscommunication here, because you and Brian
are both right.

I don't really foresee that a great amount of change will happen
to the hydrography. As I said, it's pretty stable, with the exception
of where the beavers have chosen to build this year. Even that
is repeatable. There are areas in the wetland inventory that are
marked as sporadically inundated, and our friend Castor canadensis
is responsible for much of that inundation.

Nevertheless, I do see this import as being a potential catalyst for
getting other types of data mapped in the field. The alignments of
hiking trails, the locations of trail shelters, abandoned fire towers,
archaeologic sites, and the like are going to come only from citizen
mappers like myself. With the paucity of data in the area, several
hikers that I've tried to recruit to the project have seen it as a
hopeless task. With a background of the natural features, laying in
trail alignments and lean-to locations is a much more manageable
task, and people can see where it would lead to a usable map.
Arguably, we could do the same thing if we had a displayed map that
augmented OSM with the public data sets that we choose not to
import, but there doesn't seem to be a great amount of interest
in that sort of project, either!

So, it's not about importing the hydrography to get mappers working
on the hydrography. It's about importing the hydrography to encourage
mappers to work on the things that the government does not and
is not likely to map. The USGS no longer does so. New York State
has a database of roads and trails in the park, but it is of questionable
quality. The Adirondack Mountain Club, which maintains the Northville-
Placid Trail (at 222.7 km, the longest single trail in the park),
its official distance table for the trail 
(http://www.nptrail.org/?page_id=59)

largely from OSM and my field notes, and most of the trail is in OSM
only because I put it there. (Incidentally, let me observe that a 200+
kilometre walk, some of it as much as 30 km from the nearest road
you can drive on, makes for an interesting mapping expedition!)

While Brian seems to disagree with my "one strong negative comment", he
also seems to disagree with your very own judgement that it is very
unlikely that the data is going to be edited and improved; he seems to
believe that the import can be a viable foundation for original
surveying by volunteers in the Adirondack. I don't know if that's just
wishful thinking or if he has first-hand experience of the area that
goes against yours.

I'd say that his experience agrees with mine. A hiker sees the map at
openstreetmap.org as it stands, and says, "Why should I bother? There's
nothing there!" I've found that my own map - a typical view is
http://kbk.is-a-geek.net/catskills/test3.html?la=43.2196=-74.2107=14
is a much better recruiting tool, because people can see what's
already available and what needs to be added. I can say to a friend,
"Oh, you're going to Cathead Mountain? Would you mind getting a GPS
waypoint for the fire tower and a track for the trail up to it, and push 
them

to OSM? You don't even need to add them to the map, if you don't want
to, just send me a link to where you uploaded the track and I'll do the
rest!" (And hopefully Rob will actually do that trip at some point...)

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Jason Remillard]

Hi Roman ,

- The source addresses uses abbreviations (RD, ST,etc)  are you expanding them?
- The source addresses are capitalized, are you fixing that?
- How are you dealing with multiple addresses per building
- How are you dealing with multiple buildings per address.
- Unless you are working full time on this two weeks seems like not
enough time, it is 380,000 addresses.
- The source data contains the building heights, you might want to
import that in too.
- I would like to see a sample osm/osc files.

Thanks
Jason



On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Roman Yepishev  wrote:
> (re-posting to both mailing lists since I failed to subscribe to
> imports@ before sending)
>
> Hello OpenStreetMap folks,
>
> TL;DR: import wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Bos
> ton_Street_Address_Management_%28SAM%29_Import
>
> Boston, Massachusetts is relatively well mapped, however the buildings
> usually lack addr:housenumber and addr:street tags.
>
> Since the city is not built on a grid-based design, the streets can
> wander around making finding the right house with OpenStreetMap a
> challenge. City of Boston provides a sizable amount of data via Open
> Government initiative. One of the things available freely is a Live
> Street Address Management (SAM) dataset[1] that identifies the location
> of the buildings on the map. We can use that.
>
> As requested by Guidelines[2], I am writing to imports@ and talk-us@ to
> discuss the outlined import procedure for the data. I will be driving
> the generation, upload, and validation.
>
> The wiki page contains the data on all the neighborhoods (sans 2 that
> for some reason did not create a polygon - I'm investigating that), so
> you can load it locally and see what's going to happen. Please do not
> upload these changes.
>
> My username is 'ryebread' on OSM, User:Rye on OSM Wiki.
>
> [1]: http://www.cityofboston.gov/open/
> [2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Roman Yepishev
>
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Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

[Tod Fitch]

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> 
> . . . Another question - if not OSM, what maps do hikers in the area use now? 
>  Something from the US Forest Service, or something else?  The reason I ask 
> is that in GB the generally excellent "Ordnance Survey" mapping has been used 
> by hikers' clubs as a reason not to need OSM. My limited experience with US 
> outdoor maps suggests that they're not generally of the same quality.
> 
Don’t know about the eastern mountains, but in the western U.S. the old USGS 
7.5 minute (and decades ago the 15 minute) series of maps were the gold 
standard for anyone venturing out hiking or backpacking. For the search and 
rescue work I do, they are often still the base for any maps handed out to team 
members.

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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Roman Yepishev]

Quick followup as I may have had the Tax Parcel 2015 dataset in mind.

On Wed, 2016-03-16 at 08:57 -0400, Roman Yepishev wrote:
> 
> > - The source data contains the building heights, you might want to
> > import that in too.
> Only number of floors is provided (which can be 2.5), not the height
> itself. It is easy to add this though. My initial reading of https://
> wi
> ki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels suggested that
> building:levels is not useful w/o height.

There is no building height in http://bostonopendata.boston.opendata.ar
cgis.com/datasets/b6bffcace320448d96bb84eabb8a075f_0, sorry about that.

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Re: [Talk-us] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Roman Yepishev]

The wiki now contains updated files that set the postcode and add
a fixme tag to a building in case it already had the number that does
not match the official information from SAM.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Boston_Street_Address_Manage
ment_%28SAM%29_Import#OSM_Data_Files

On Tue, 2016-03-15 at 12:52 -0400, Roman Yepishev wrote:
> (re-posting to both mailing lists since I failed to subscribe to
> imports@ before sending)
> 
> Hello OpenStreetMap folks,
> 
> TL;DR: import wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/B
> os
> ton_Street_Address_Management_%28SAM%29_Import
> 
> Boston, Massachusetts is relatively well mapped, however the
> buildings
> usually lack addr:housenumber and addr:street tags.
> 
> Since the city is not built on a grid-based design, the streets can
> wander around making finding the right house with OpenStreetMap a
> challenge. City of Boston provides a sizable amount of data via Open
> Government initiative. One of the things available freely is a Live
> Street Address Management (SAM) dataset[1] that identifies the
> location
> of the buildings on the map. We can use that. 
> 
> As requested by Guidelines[2], I am writing to imports@ and talk-us@
> to
> discuss the outlined import procedure for the data. I will be driving
> the generation, upload, and validation.
> 
> The wiki page contains the data on all the neighborhoods (sans 2 that
> for some reason did not create a polygon - I'm investigating that),
> so
> you can load it locally and see what's going to happen. Please do not
> upload these changes.
> 
> My username is 'ryebread' on OSM, User:Rye on OSM Wiki.
> 
> [1]: http://www.cityofboston.gov/open/
> [2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
> 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Roman Yepishev
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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Greg Troxel]

Roman Yepishev  writes:

> The wiki now contains updated files that set the postcode and add
> a fixme tag to a building in case it already had the number that does
> not match the official information from SAM.

How many fixme tags would there be?
How many of these fixme tags have you field-checked?
For what fraction of them were the city data correct?

This is a serious question; we know most MassGIS data is right, but we
haven't qualified the city db yet.



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[Talk-us] WeeklyOSM 295

[Jinal Foflia]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue #295, is now available online in
English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the
OpenStreetMap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/7128

*Among others:*

   - Remember the first few days of mapping OSM? User SM@Edit shares his
   first time experience with OpenStreetMap...
   - Wondering if there is a tool that can compare the standard OSM layer
   and Satellite imagery? Look in to try the tool...
   - A script by user baditaflorin that can help find duplicated nodes...
   - Read more about the humanitarian mapathon where two-hundred and twelve
   10 year old children from elementary school mapped to eradicate
malaria [image:
   :clap:]
   - Want to build your own offline OSMAND map? Look in to read more about
   it...

Cheers,

Jinal Foflia 
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Re: [Talk-us] DOT construction updates

[Ian Dees]

A few years ago I started collecting information about how DOTs announce
major changes and construction and didn't get very far. In fact, I only
found Minnesota's DOT RSS and Newsletter (
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/roadwork/current.html) before getting distracted
and mapping.

I would be happy to rekindle this and made a GitHub project for it here:

https://github.com/osmlab/dot-feed

Feel free to join in and help find this kind of information.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was thinking about a good way for the community to get a feed of
> construction updates from state DOTs. Has anyone ever attempted this? A
> good start should be a list of state DOTs (I found
> http://www.dot.state.ak.us/transpo_resources.shtml, not sure if it’s 100%
> current). But where to go from there? Every state DOT has its own mechanism
> / format to distribute updates. Do they all have an RSS feed? Or twitter?
>
> At this point I am just curious to hear if anyone else has thought about
> this already and if so what you have come up with so far.
>
> (What triggered this again for me: I heard someone mention that the work
> on the I-96/US-23 interchange in Michigan was complete, but could not find
> any confirmation. See this pretty cool video from MDOT for what they are
> doing there: https://youtu.be/K9wQoIc2cLc?t=75.) The situation on OSM
> reflects the pre-construction reality —>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/359765#map=15/42.5227/-83.7526)
>
> Martijn
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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Greg Troxel]

Clifford Snow  writes:

> 4) Is it really necessary to upload that many notes during the import? if a
> building is missing, can you add a node with the address information
> instead of leaving a note?

I am opposed to adding notes from bulk data.  There are already a lot,
and when they are from a human, that's fine.  But database-generated
notes are spam.

Publishing scripts to generate local notes about a data source for those
who want to look sounds good - without changing the map db or notes db.





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Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Boston, MA, USA addr:housenumber Import

[Roman Yepishev]

Hi Jason,

Thanks for you message. Replies are inline.

On Wed, 2016-03-16 at 08:02 -0400, Jason Remillard wrote:
> Hi Roman ,
> 
> - The source addresses uses abbreviations (RD, ST,etc)  are you
> expanding them?
There are only around 240 SAM streets that did not map to OSM streets
exactly, these are now being manually added to the mapping table.

> - The source addresses are capitalized, are you fixing that?
Hm, source addresses are not capitalized, I am using the STREET_BODY +
STREET_FULL_SUFFIX as a street name.

"STREET_NUMBER":"72",
"FULL_STREET_NAME":"Addington Rd",
"STREET_ID":27,"STREET_PREFIX":" ",
"STREET_BODY":"Addington",
"STREET_SUFFIX_ABBR":"Rd",
"STREET_FULL_SUFFIX":"Road",
"STREET_NUMBER_SORT":72,
"MAILING_NEIGHBORHOOD":"West Roxbury"
"ZIP_CODE":"02132"


> - How are you dealing with multiple addresses per building
I am adding a local note highlighting that the the same way has more
than one address to locate buildings that need to be split according to
parcel map/retrace from Bing/MassGIS Orthoimagery. Such buildings are
generated into separate -fixmes.osc files.

> - How are you dealing with multiple buildings per address.
Since only a single location is provided for a building
(RELATION_TYPE=1) there is no multiple matching buildings per address.
On a side note that may require additional survey on location in case a
multipolygon is required. We can't deduce that from the source data.

> - Unless you are working full time on this two weeks seems like not
> enough time, it is 380,000 addresses.
Please see the wiki page linked - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/I
mport/Boston_Street_Address_Management_(SAM)_Import there are about
5000 with issues out of 64K existing OSM buildings (~8%). At least
until those two missing neighborhoods are found.

Even if only unique buildings are imported it will yield a 92% increase
of accuracy for building locations. The remaining time will be spent
tweaking these 5000 buildings. And yes, I'm basically working on this
full time.

> - The source data contains the building heights, you might want to
> import that in too.
Only number of floors is provided (which can be 2.5), not the height
itself. It is easy to add this though. My initial reading of https://wi
ki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels suggested that
building:levels is not useful w/o height.

> - I would like to see a sample osm/osc files.
The .osc and .osn files can be found here - they are periodically
regenerated as I am fixing the transformation scripts
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Boston_Street_Address_Manage
ment_(SAM)_Import

> 
> Thanks
> Jason
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Roman Yepishev  > wrote:
> > 
> > (re-posting to both mailing lists since I failed to subscribe to
> > imports@ before sending)
> > 
> > Hello OpenStreetMap folks,
> > 
> > TL;DR: import wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
> > /Bos
> > ton_Street_Address_Management_%28SAM%29_Import
> > 
> > Boston, Massachusetts is relatively well mapped, however the
> > buildings
> > usually lack addr:housenumber and addr:street tags.
> > 
> > Since the city is not built on a grid-based design, the streets can
> > wander around making finding the right house with OpenStreetMap a
> > challenge. City of Boston provides a sizable amount of data via
> > Open
> > Government initiative. One of the things available freely is a Live
> > Street Address Management (SAM) dataset[1] that identifies the
> > location
> > of the buildings on the map. We can use that.
> > 
> > As requested by Guidelines[2], I am writing to imports@ and talk-
> > us@ to
> > discuss the outlined import procedure for the data. I will be
> > driving
> > the generation, upload, and validation.
> > 
> > The wiki page contains the data on all the neighborhoods (sans 2
> > that
> > for some reason did not create a polygon - I'm investigating that),
> > so
> > you can load it locally and see what's going to happen. Please do
> > not
> > upload these changes.
> > 
> > My username is 'ryebread' on OSM, User:Rye on OSM Wiki.
> > 
> > [1]: http://www.cityofboston.gov/open/
> > [2]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
> > 
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> > Roman Yepishev
> > 
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Re: [Talk-us] mapRe: (Second attempt) Potential data source: Adirondack Park Freshwater Wetlands

[Kevin Kenny]

On 03/16/2016 06:12 PM, Andy Townsend wrote:
What I am a bit surprised about is that in the Adirondacks there's 
relatively little track data in OSM.  Sure, New York State is big, but 
it's not _that_ big.  It's roughly twice the size of Scotland and 
(excluding New York City) about twice the population.  Parts of the 
Adirondacks are about as far from major centres of population as parts 
of the Cairngorms in Scotland are, and the Cairngorms seem to have 
many more hiking trails mapped*.
Some areas of the Adirondacks, like Eastern High Peaks, are starting to 
have decent coverage (there are still trails missing, but there's 
enough, say, to complete a traverse of the Great Range or a trip over 
Cascade and Porter). With the default renderer, you have to zoom in 
pretty tight to see them. 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/44.1196/-73.8963=N is an 
example.


There are some other parts of the park that really are trackless 
wilderness; there are no tracks shown because there are none in the 
field! The Oswegatchie River, for instance, is best explored with a 
canoe. There are a fair number of marked campsites, but no trails other 
than portage routes. Even about half of the 46'ers (a list of high peaks 
- similar to the Munros) have no established trails. The would-be 
climber must find his own way among the dense vegetation, sucking mud 
and rock slides.
One thing to be said in favour of a wetlands import is that these are 
features that by definition it's difficult to map the entirety of from 
the ground (it's a problem I'm familar with as it's the same reason 
I'm only able to map the western part of the Derbyshire Peak District 
in late summer when it's been dry enough for long enough). However a 
worry is that because there's so little surveying done here no-one's 
going to be able to sense-check the data so there's a worry that it'll 
just "sit there" without any future modification. When I've done 
stream and river mapping in e.g. South Wales I've always found it 
useful to compare all of survey, government open data and imagery to 
see what things should be mapped as, where imagery (or GPS data) is 
offset and where government open data is inaccurate.  Do you have any 
way of sense-testing any of the data to be imported?  Maybe it might 
be useful to create e.g. a umap overlay of some of it that's 
immediately usable and you can start collecting feedback from hikers 
about what they'd categorise the features you're suggesting be imported.
Indeed. The APA wetlands inventory also includes all the open-water 
features (lakes, rivers, streams), which also appear in the existing 
"lakes and ponds" import, in the National Hydrographic Dataset, and, of 
course, in imagery. There are therefore at least three or fojr sources 
for cross-checking the more significant features. In the map that I keep 
referring to, I have all three overlaid, which is why you see multiple 
tracings of the shoreline on some of the lakes, as in 
http://kbk.is-a-geek.net/catskills/test3.html?la=43.2196=-74.2107=14. 
There are a few areas that look quite the mess - 
http://kbk.is-a-geek.net/catskills/test3.html?la=43.5688=-74.5912=15 comes 
to mind, but... with that particular one, I've been to that bog. Even in 
the field, it's hard to tell water from land. An unwary step on 
apparently dry ground might plunge you into knee-deep quicksand. The 
disagreement of the data sources there doesn't worry me in the least.


In fact, I think the best approach might be to confine the initial 
import to the open water features (appropriately conflated with what is 
already in OSM), with the other wetland features being added later. 
Doing the open water in small sections and conflating as we go would 
give us confidence in the alignment.


I can say that in several hundred km of walking on- and off-trail in the 
Adirondacks, I've quite reliably gotten my boots muddy right where the 
data set says to expect such a thing. I also, on examining the data, do 
not see contour lines drawn from NED crossing into open water. It's 
pretty well aligned with reality.


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